This is scary If True Putin Is withdrawing

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
Putin isn't withdrawing, HE'S LOSING, and badly.

He's exposed how weak Russia really is, and is now threating Finland if they join NATO.

Putin has done more to strengthen NATO than even America thought could have been possible.

Putin will go down in History as a man who started out great with his election as President, and turn himself into nothing but a man who has murdered tens of thousands (at least) of innocent people and the man who made Russian Not Great Again.

My guess is the rumors that he's sick might be correct. We shall see.

My hope is the murderous bastard dictator dies in a bomb blast.

Russia IN NOT OUR FRIEND.

Good post.

But, I'm curious what comes after Putin.

Russia Not Our Friend -- will that change?

a reply to: Ravenwatcher

There's been an ongoing counterattack around Kharkiv with Russia reportedly losing ground.

Seems they're redeploying.

The Ministry says the withdrawn forces "will likely deploy to the eastern bank of the Siverskyi Donets River, forming a blocking force to protect the western flank of Russia’s main force concentration and main supply routes for operations in the vicinity of Izyum."

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: CriticalStinker

For a more exaggerates conspiracy twist, the question of the apathy the EU has shown is remarkable.

Usually the apathy by proximity rationale applies. However in this case, the current US admin is the loudest voice and the widest wallet.

Yes, like fools our government funds a foreign government while its own citizens struggle to put food on the table.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Ravenwatcher

50 Billion. USD.

Perhaps everyone has a price?

If you read the Panama papers, Putin has more money than anyone tucked away. I don't think he would be too excited over "twitter money".

May I get a link to a specific sheet of these documents where Putin's name is written.

originally posted by: Spacespider
a reply to: Ravenwatcher

Or perhaps he does not want his troop to get caught in the atomic blasts

That's probably the more likely of scenarios. Russia has expended a lot of resources, but nothing compared to what they have in reserve. Anyone who thinks Russia is "losing" isn't looking at the overall picture. What they have committed so far, I would consider to be an expeditionary force in comparison.

Isn't it around now Putin is supposed to be having some cancer bowel op and is handing the reigns over to some military type guy who also headed up the FSB?
Also, today Finland and NATO jointly announced that they (Finland) are being 'fast tracked' into NATO.
Putin has already said way back there will be 'consequences' if they do.
I think Russia has a 'Plan B' if this is the case.
Rainbows
Jane

originally posted by: MiddleInsite

Putin has done more to strengthen NATO than even America thought could have been possible.

That’s the mind blowing thing about this whole ordeal.

One of his main reasons for invading Ukraine (apart from the crazy rant about drug addicts and nazis), was because NATO was a threat to Russia. But all this war has done is made NATO more united than ever and made them far more of a threat to Russia, than they ever would’ve been if Russia had of never invaded Ukraine in the first place.

Even from a totally logical stand point, if your not considering the millions of displaced and dead innocent civilians… nothing about what his done makes any sense, or even benefits Russia in any way.

a reply to: turretless
Isn't it the Pandora Papers not Panama? They used to have a website, but it seems to have dissapeared.
Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

I believe the purpose is to protect Russian speakers in Donbas from Ukrainian artillery. This is the narrative of Russian MSM.

a reply to: zTastaufen

Oh, for FFS.

Give it a rest?

a reply to: JinMI

Usually the apathy by proximity rationale applies. However in this case, the current US admin is the loudest voice and the widest wallet.

And Europe is the one who is going to take the brunt of economic impact given their reliance on Russian energy.

It does make one wonder why the west is so determined to stick it to Russia.

There are three reasons I can think of,
Malice, incompetence, or correctness.

Malice would be ends to elites, definitely plausible, incompetence is self explanatory and equally as plausible... And correctness would be Russia actually poses a real threat to the rest of Europe. That one I'm a little skeptical of, but if we couple it with a Chinese aligned alternative world force, I can at least see the case.

It also makes me understand why people weren't so convinced to stop Hitler early in the war. I'm not saying this is equal to that, merely pointing out I understand isolationism when something isn't your problem (yet).

It's all just such a hot mess. Personally I lean towards isolationism, but I understand the justification of the US and UK given the Budapest Memorandum. I also understand the real fear of some of the NATO allies near Russia, and other EU members who were former soviet blocs.

originally posted by: angelchemuel
a reply to: turretless
Isn't it the Pandora Papers not Panama? They used to have a website, but it seems to have dissapeared.
Rainbows
Jane

I don't know if the Panama Papers refer to these documents.

I hope network dude will explain everything to us and show us.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

In think aggression is in human nature. Europeans are aggressive towards Russia. That is why Napoleon and Hitler invaded Russia. Russia wanted to join EU and NATO. Europeans only want to wipe Russia off the map.

a reply to: zTastaufen

I can't argue some or that point.

But to join the EU, they would have had to clean up a lot of their corruption, something Ukraine was grappling with before 2014.

NATO probably just told them to kick rocks though.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

The notion Russia is corrupt is unfounded. It is based on racism that people from the East are corrupt. Sure, there is some corruption. But which country is not corrupt?

originally posted by: zTastaufen
a reply to: CriticalStinker

The notion Russia is corrupt is unfounded. It is based on racism that people from the East are corrupt. Sure, there is some corruption. But which country is not corrupt?

Russia is totally corrupt and the russian army has big iussues with scraping together new units for the front and stealing dish washers for components for their tanks etc

originally posted by: zTastaufen
a reply to: CriticalStinker

The notion Russia is corrupt is unfounded. It is based on racism that people from the East are corrupt. Sure, there is some corruption. But which country is not corrupt?

I disagree that it's unfounded.

I'd be more willing to admit that corruption is a spectrum everyone exists in some form on. But I'd be willing to say everything I've read shows Russia is more on the corrupt end than most other western nations.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: JinMI

Usually the apathy by proximity rationale applies. However in this case, the current US admin is the loudest voice and the widest wallet.

It does make one wonder why the west is so determined to stick it to Russia.

Maybe it’s just an opportunistic grab for the moral high ground, over a serious military rival.

I mean damn, they might even wind up making a little profit from it as a cherry on top… once Europe has to start looking elsewhere for there energy needs.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Western countries is also very corrupt. Britain for example spent billions of taxpayer money on free covid tests.

I would say that Putin might be getting ready to bomb the hell out of Ukraine with missiles and wants much of his ground troups out of there for a while. They like the US and NATO have the ability to block all detection of missiles by both sides and that would stop his own forces from being able to detect things the Ukrainians are aiming at them including the tankbuster drones which might be a problem if the Russians cannot detect them.

Just a guess, but someone who knows more about this military stuff might be able to chime in and either discount this post or explain this better. I do not know the limitations of the systems they have.