Interesting Western news report about Mariupol in 2014

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: JinMI
Also, being called far-right doesnt a nazi make.

You need to explain that to Russian supporters.

Point them out and we can copy/paste the quote.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

That is an untrue statement, and simply a repetition of propaganda talking points.

Of course you have some evidence of your repeated false accusation?

Or did putin just say so?

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: MisguidedAngel

and the video is what I am referring to as leaving out the fact the military, local police and separatists were engaged with each other at that time. Now that you are aware of that fact please point out in the video whose in the Ukrainian military, local police and who are separatists and who are civilians?

You also seemed to have looked past the fact that the "uprising" in Mariupol occurred in May of 2014 and the Azov battalion was formed in May 2014. The clashes were between the AFU, local police and Russian forces (militants from the DNR).

And I said absolutely nothing about Azov being there in 2014, nothing.

What was said is....

This is why when Russia arrived in Mariupol the people greeted them in the street and cried they were so happy. Azov had set up in Mariupol and they were even more brutal and savage then the Ukrainian army was to their own people

Russia arrived in Mariupol this year (2022) and when they arrived Azov had set up shop in the city, they had been in the city for many years up to that point and the population of civilians was living on pins and needles with Azov there. We saw the video of Azov holding all the civilians hostage in the house after Russia arrived. We saw the countless interviews with tons of Mariupol residents about Azov attacking infrastructure and killing people.

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: MisguidedAngel

and the video is what I am referring to as leaving out the fact the military, local police and separatists were engaged with each other at that time. Now that you are aware of that fact please point out in the video whose in the Ukrainian military, local police and who are separatists and who are civilians?

You also seemed to have looked past the fact that the "uprising" in Mariupol occurred in May of 2014 and the Azov battalion was formed in May 2014. The clashes were between the AFU, local police and Russian forces (militants from the DNR).

And I said absolutely nothing about Azov being there in 2014, nothing.

Funny, another dedicated russian invasion supporter JUST did exactly that in another thread again, perhaps you should try 'informing' him about reality.

While you JUST tried to pretend that russia's 2014 land stealing invasion of Ukraine actually ended, which it didn't.

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel
And I said absolutely nothing about Azov being there in 2014, nothing.

What was said is....

This is why when Russia arrived in Mariupol the people greeted them in the street and cried they were so happy. Azov had set up in Mariupol and they were even more brutal and savage then the Ukrainian army was to their own people

Russia arrived in Mariupol this year (2022) and when they arrived Azov had set up shop in the city, they had been in the city for many years up to that point and the population of civilians was living on pins and needles with Azov there. We saw the video of Azov holding all the civilians hostage in the house after Russia arrived. We saw the countless interviews with tons of Mariupol residents about Azov attacking infrastructure and killing people.

and this is what I said -

and the video is what I am referring to as leaving out the fact the military, local police and separatists were engaged with each other at that time. Now that you are aware of that fact please point out in the video whose in the Ukrainian military, local police and who are separatists and who are civilians?

You also seemed to have looked past the fact that the "uprising" in Mariupol occurred in May of 2014 and the Azov battalion was formed in May 2014. The clashes were between the AFU, local police and Russian forces (militants from the DNR).

What part confused you?

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Do you want to resurrect the MH17 controversy?

Just as it has done in virtually every single military engagement since Vietnam, as we saw from the Pentagon Papers, the US DoD lies as a matter of habit.

MH17 was just another false flag, in this case meant to blame Russia. The sudden disappearance of the Spaniard who blew the whistle regarding ATC activity shows that. MH17 went down from 2 Ukrainian fighters. The facts support that.

a reply to: Salander

No it was a civilian airliner shot down by Russian forces.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Do you want to resurrect the MH17 controversy?

Just as it has done in virtually every single military engagement since Vietnam, as we saw from the Pentagon Papers, the US DoD lies as a matter of habit.

MH17 was just another false flag, in this case meant to blame Russia. The sudden disappearance of the Spaniard who blew the whistle regarding ATC activity shows that. MH17 went down from 2 Ukrainian fighters. The facts support that.

What 'facts'?

Ballistic tracking clearly shows the launch coming from russian soft units.

Intercepted comms also have russians discussing it both before and after.

a reply to: Xcathdra

That's what they want you to think, yes.

Unfortunately for you, the official narrative is just another damn lie told by the US government.

The facts are that the upper surface of the left wing and the cockpit showed damage from airborne cannon fire.

a reply to: Salander

Got actually pics and radar data? Or just Russian lies. How is that nukes used at the WTC lie working out for you.

The only mystery about you is if you actually believe this crap. Or compensated in some way to push blatant lies.

a reply to: neutronflux

No, all the stuff at the beginning was quickly taken down. The BBC interviews (and short video footage of the planes last moments) were taken down from the internet within days. The Spaniard working for Ukrainian ATC was quickly disappeared. That's how spooks work NF, they cover up what they can, and being inside, they can cover up much.

The Canadian investigator for OSCE, Michael Bociurkiw was quite clear in his suspicions voiced in an interview in the field. That's probably been taken down too.

The peasants in the field described the climbing fighter jets, the same thing described by the Spaniard. Ukrainian jets did the dirty deed, and the Russians were blamed.

What's new? Nothing. The obedient and gullible public believes what they are told to believe.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: Xcathdra

That's what they want you to think, yes.

Unfortunately for you, the official narrative is just another damn lie told by the US government.

The facts are that the upper surface of the left wing and the cockpit showed damage from airborne cannon fire.

Bollocks; even the Russians don't try to push the invalid 'other aircraft' story anymore because it was so obvious incorrect.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: Xcathdra

That's what they want you to think, yes.

Unfortunately for you, the official narrative is just another damn lie told by the US government.

The facts are that the upper surface of the left wing and the cockpit showed damage from airborne cannon fire.

We know the passenger jet broke apart mid air from a missile.

There is video of the jet hitting the ground.

“Airborne cannon fire” is a relatively close quarters weapon. Where is this aircraft with the “airborne cannon fire.”


Airborne cannon fire makes distinct sounds? It sure dose when the A-10 uses it’s cannon.


Where’s the evidence of your claims?

a reply to: Salander

Asked for actual cited and linked to evidence. Not your opinionated manifesto…

a reply to: Salander

The difference between you and me. I don’t trust anyone. You go all goo goo gaga for any anti-American post. And it’s killed your credibility believing in the most outrageous lies.

a reply to: Salander

Add this to your list.

MH 17 was visible on radar? You radar data not only needs to show another aircraft. But an aircraft close enough and with the right approach angle to MH 17 to use an air cannon.

a reply to: Salander

You going to keep digging your own hole deeper?

a reply to: neutronflux

Too difficult for you to understand: the facts shown in the first few days were quickly taken down from the internet.

Clearly NF, you and anybody else can buy into every official narrative that blows your skirt, but I know better about how the federal government conducts its business. By deception we shall wage war.

Only a few people read the Spaniard's tweets, and only a few people heard the peasants tell their story and saw the damage to the Boeing.

I know what I saw and heard, and I know very well how US propaganda works. You might not, but I do.

a reply to: Salander

Too difficult for you to understand: the facts shown in the first few days were quickly taken down from the internet.

Changing the subject that doesn’t answer your list.

We know the passenger jet broke apart mid air from a missile. Is this false?

There is video of the jet hitting the ground. This is fact.

“Airborne cannon fire” is a relatively close quarters weapon. Where is this aircraft with the “airborne cannon fire.”

Airborne cannon fire makes distinct sounds? It sure dose when the A-10 uses it’s cannon.

MH 17 was visible on radar? Your radar data not only needs to show another aircraft. But an aircraft close enough and with the right approach angle to MH 17 to use an air cannon.

Where is your actual evidence?

You

Clearly NF, you and anybody else can buy into every official narrative that blows your skirt,

I’m not buying into anything. Your the one that cannot answer questions, cannot provide cited material, and has to lie.

but I know better about how the federal government conducts its business.

Has nothing to do with the evidence collected by overseas human rights groups, and the debunked Russian lies concerning MH 17.

By deception we shall wage war.

What did Russian back rebels shooting down a passenger jet gain? For what side?

Only a few people read the Spaniard's tweets,

And people tweet the earth is flat and people post the WTC was bright down by nukes. Anyone can post propaganda. What’s your point.

and only a few people heard the peasants tell their story and saw the damage to the Boeing.

Or opinions meaningless against the actual physical evidence.

I know what I saw and heard,

Eventually not. You cannot answer the most basic questions concerning the actual physical and video evidence.

and I know very well how US propaganda works.

Same as Russia propaganda vs actual evidence collected by different nations human rights groups and the evidence available online.

You might not, but I do.

And, again…

The difference between you and me. I don’t trust anyone. You go all goo goo gaga for any anti-American post. And it’s killed your credibility believing in the most outrageous lies.