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The economic blitzkrieg against Russia has failed

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posted on Apr, 28 2022 @ 01:18 AM
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If Ukrainian people, actually Ukrainians in 2014 had a issue with the pro-Russia government before becoming pro "Russian"

instated of overthrowing the pro-Russia government in Ukraine through regime change over the EU deal why couldn't they democratically voted the government out of Ukraine if the Ukrainians wanted a pro EU system and were largely in favor?

Did they fear or worry that their candidate would lose agaisnt the pro-Russia government?


This is one question that i keep getting ignored nor responded by here by some.



posted on Apr, 28 2022 @ 01:43 AM
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originally posted by: vNex92
If Ukrainian people, actually Ukrainians in 2014 had a issue with the pro-Russia government before becoming pro "Russian"

instated of overthrowing the pro-Russia government in Ukraine through regime change over the EU deal why couldn't they democratically voted the government out of Ukraine if the Ukrainians wanted a pro EU system and were largely in favor?

Did they fear or worry that their candidate would lose agaisnt the pro-Russia government?


This is one question that i keep getting ignored nor responded by here by some.


Something to do with this maybe?


en.m.wikipedia.org...



posted on Apr, 28 2022 @ 01:46 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Confirmed what? I can only confirm or deny my own opinion 😛

I dont have any special insight and dont know anybody that does

My opinions are just that...that and $1 will buy you a coke!



posted on Apr, 28 2022 @ 01:48 AM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: ScepticScot

Confirmed what? I can only confirm or deny my own opinion 😛

I dont have any special insight and dont know anybody that does

My opinions are just that...that and $1 will buy you a coke!


It was your opinion we were discussing.

With inflation you will need a 1.25 by the end of the year.



posted on Apr, 28 2022 @ 01:49 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

I cannot. However, you sure are awfully quiet about them.

Just last Summer, every other word was Nazi-this Nazi-that. Fascisn is lurking! And suddenly? Silence. Crickets. Not denouncing something early and often is the same as supporting it right?



posted on Apr, 28 2022 @ 01:52 AM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: ScepticScot

I cannot. However, you sure are awfully quiet about them.

Just last Summer, every other word was Nazi-this Nazi-that. Fascisn is lurking! And suddenly? Silence. Crickets. Not denouncing something early and often is the same as supporting it right?


Someone made a pont about lesser of 2 evils a few posts ago.

Given the choice between supporting a country with some far right elements in its military versus a country with a far right government which seems better?



posted on Apr, 28 2022 @ 01:53 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Sounds good to me 😁

My opinion is probably not the best there is, but its all I have got.

I see a mirror image of their treatment of Russia vs what the US did to conservatives. They had their IRS target us. Their agencies. They spied on us and still do. They lie to us constantly and have been caught recently in several whoppers...from Hunters laptop to the non existant Russian collusion, the same people who swore up and down on a stack of bibles that Trump was an agent of Putin now tell us to ignore the 2014 coup and believe them.

What makes now different? Why should I suddenly trust people that have provenly lied to me, scapegoated me and targetted me?



posted on Apr, 28 2022 @ 01:56 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

The problem is I dont believe TPTB when they say things like that. All I know about Russia comes from MSM and Google. Neither of which I trust to tell me the moon phase!

I think that was my post after all. I apologize to you for the confusion!

I dont have a problem with Ukraine or think they are evil. My problem is the US government. Not even the EU or NATO. I want to see the USG fall on its face big time
edit on 4/28/2022 by JBurns because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 28 2022 @ 02:03 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: ScepticScot

As I stated, applying your logic.

You said another poster supported:


Your preference for authoritarianism and dislike of democracy and sovereignty is clear.

That being an if/then stance.

So, applying the same to you, the nazis in Ukraine are yours to stand with.

Best of luck with that.


Jburns has confirmed what I said which was based on multiple posts across this thread.

You on the other hand are just making stuff up.




Am I still making it up?

Lol, you just tried to justify it above!



posted on Apr, 28 2022 @ 02:30 AM
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originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: ScepticScot

As I stated, applying your logic.

You said another poster supported:


Your preference for authoritarianism and dislike of democracy and sovereignty is clear.

That being an if/then stance.

So, applying the same to you, the nazis in Ukraine are yours to stand with.

Best of luck with that.


Jburns has confirmed what I said which was based on multiple posts across this thread.

You on the other hand are just making stuff up.




Am I still making it up?

Lol, you just tried to justify it above!



No i didn't, something else you just made up.

So unless you can quote me supporting NAZIs then you are lying.
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posted on Apr, 28 2022 @ 03:47 AM
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a reply to: JBurns


Or perhaps the Russian people dont want the US/NATO, which have all shown nothing but contempt for those people, on their border. I do not blame them.


That's the thing you see, no-one knows what the Russian people actually want as freedom of speech is almost nom-existent in Russia with all opposition brutally suppressed.
The Russian media is at least as heavily biased as 'Western' MSM but unlike the 'West' there are no independent news outlets and what there are are highly regulated.

Why do you assume that the Russian government is any more representative of the Russian people than the US government is of you?

And to be perfectly honest, is it relevant what Russian public opinion is regarding policies of neighbouring countries?
Ukraine is an independent country and as such is FREE to choose as they like.

You know FREEDOM, those values you used to hold so dear....or does that apply solely to you?



Ukraine talking about seizing Russian nukes? Are they suicidal or just plain careless


If your neighbour had invaded you, was responsible for untold death and destruction, the displacement of literally millions of people in your country and repeatedly threatened you with first strike nuclear weapons wouldn't YOU try to seize some 'nukes' in an attempt to defend yourself.....or would you simply roll over and submit?


Also, did not Ukraine have a written treaty with Russia and the US essentially assuring their security in exchange for giving up nuclear weapons with the caveat that Ukraine would remain "within Russia's sphere of influence" ?


The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances signed by Ukraine, Russia, USA and UK.


The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,

Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as non-nuclear-weapon State,

Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,

Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.

Confirm the following:

1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.

4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.

5. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm, in the case of Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a State in association or alliance with a nuclear-weapon State.

6. Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America will consult in the event a situation arises that raises a question concerning these commitments.


I was going to edit parts out but its worth reading it all.
Bolding to emphasise certain points is mine.

No mention anywhere of Ukraine having to 'stay within Russia's sphere of influence'.
Which newly independent country would ever agree to such a condition? It really opposes the whole principle of independence and the Right to Self-Determination.



posted on Apr, 28 2022 @ 04:53 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn

Great comment.


Cheers



posted on Apr, 28 2022 @ 07:13 AM
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originally posted by: JBurns
I am saying the US and NATO have shown nothing but contempt toward Russia.


Good. It's a contemptable authoritarian state. For close to a century, with few breaks, Russia has been actively trying to subvert the United States, their government is not our friend nor should it ever be as it's currently constituted.



posted on Apr, 28 2022 @ 08:33 AM
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a reply to: UsedtoTieKnots

Russia is not killing thousands of civilians. You think they have because that's what the MSM has been telling you.

MSM is notorious for its mendacity.

Russia has gone out of its way to avoid civilian casualties, offering safe passage to all. It's the Nazis in Ukraine assisted by their NATO handlers that's been killing the civilians.



posted on Apr, 28 2022 @ 08:57 AM
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originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: UsedtoTieKnots

Russia is not killing thousands of civilians. You think they have because that's what the MSM has been telling you.

MSM is notorious for its mendacity.

Russia has gone out of its way to avoid civilian casualties, offering safe passage to all. It's the Nazis in Ukraine assisted by their NATO handlers that's been killing the civilians.



Now that's funny!

I guess you aren't aware of the mass graves, residential cluster bombs, hospital cruise missiles, or train station bombings during negotiated humanitarian evacuation corridors?

Talk about absurd, russia, who invaded Ukraine, is trying to avoid civilian casualties!

Thanks for the laugh.



posted on Apr, 28 2022 @ 09:04 AM
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a reply to: Salander


You think they have because that's what the MSM has been telling you.


And you believe what you do because that's what the Russian propaganda machine has been telling you.



MSM is notorious for its mendacity.


And Russian media/press etc are renowned for their unbiased reporting free from government oversight, control and interference. 🤔



posted on Apr, 28 2022 @ 09:08 AM
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Russia will slowly turn into North Korea. Sanctions take time to have an effect. They can't keep propping up the ruble forever.

Poor Russia is in a terrible state. It is a failure. It is now ruled by terror by a loony paranoid dictator with total power. This is a dangerous system to rely on one person alone who is clearly going out of his mind.

By the looks of it Pooptin will be drooling in a wheelchair in a few months issuing orders to nuke Nazis in Antarctica.

To allow a loony dictator to take total control of them is a massive failure by Russians, now they are the plaything of a madman.



posted on Apr, 28 2022 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn

No, I think that way because I've been paying attention for the last 20 years. I know that Russia has been objecting to NATO weapons in Ukraine for many years, and that the west has been ignoring their concerns.

More, I draw a parallel with Russia putting missiles in Cuba in 1960 and NATO putting weapons in Ukraine for the last 20 years or so.

Color me "informed", as I have also watched Ukraine On Fire by Oliver Stone. More, I remember the lessons learned from the Pentagon Papers. How 'bout you?



posted on Apr, 28 2022 @ 10:10 AM
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a reply to: Salander

Prior to 2019, what weapons has NATO been supplying to Ukraine?



posted on Apr, 28 2022 @ 10:57 AM
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a reply to: JimTSpock

You actually believe this, don't you?



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