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originally posted by: vNex92
If Ukrainian people, actually Ukrainians in 2014 had a issue with the pro-Russia government before becoming pro "Russian"
instated of overthrowing the pro-Russia government in Ukraine through regime change over the EU deal why couldn't they democratically voted the government out of Ukraine if the Ukrainians wanted a pro EU system and were largely in favor?
Did they fear or worry that their candidate would lose agaisnt the pro-Russia government?
This is one question that i keep getting ignored nor responded by here by some.
originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: ScepticScot
Confirmed what? I can only confirm or deny my own opinion 😛
I dont have any special insight and dont know anybody that does
My opinions are just that...that and $1 will buy you a coke!
originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: ScepticScot
I cannot. However, you sure are awfully quiet about them.
Just last Summer, every other word was Nazi-this Nazi-that. Fascisn is lurking! And suddenly? Silence. Crickets. Not denouncing something early and often is the same as supporting it right?
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: ScepticScot
As I stated, applying your logic.
You said another poster supported:
Your preference for authoritarianism and dislike of democracy and sovereignty is clear.
That being an if/then stance.
So, applying the same to you, the nazis in Ukraine are yours to stand with.
Best of luck with that.
Jburns has confirmed what I said which was based on multiple posts across this thread.
You on the other hand are just making stuff up.
originally posted by: JinMI
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: ScepticScot
As I stated, applying your logic.
You said another poster supported:
Your preference for authoritarianism and dislike of democracy and sovereignty is clear.
That being an if/then stance.
So, applying the same to you, the nazis in Ukraine are yours to stand with.
Best of luck with that.
Jburns has confirmed what I said which was based on multiple posts across this thread.
You on the other hand are just making stuff up.
Am I still making it up?
Lol, you just tried to justify it above!
Or perhaps the Russian people dont want the US/NATO, which have all shown nothing but contempt for those people, on their border. I do not blame them.
Ukraine talking about seizing Russian nukes? Are they suicidal or just plain careless
Also, did not Ukraine have a written treaty with Russia and the US essentially assuring their security in exchange for giving up nuclear weapons with the caveat that Ukraine would remain "within Russia's sphere of influence" ?
The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,
Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as non-nuclear-weapon State,
Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,
Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.
Confirm the following:
1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.
2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.
5. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm, in the case of Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a State in association or alliance with a nuclear-weapon State.
6. Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America will consult in the event a situation arises that raises a question concerning these commitments.
originally posted by: JBurns
I am saying the US and NATO have shown nothing but contempt toward Russia.
originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: UsedtoTieKnots
Russia is not killing thousands of civilians. You think they have because that's what the MSM has been telling you.
MSM is notorious for its mendacity.
Russia has gone out of its way to avoid civilian casualties, offering safe passage to all. It's the Nazis in Ukraine assisted by their NATO handlers that's been killing the civilians.
You think they have because that's what the MSM has been telling you.
MSM is notorious for its mendacity.