The economic blitzkrieg against Russia has failed

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I live in an igloo, so no.

Just consider this if you will, there was zero rudeness from me, but it happened after our relatively polite discussion was abruptly ended by you pulling the usual "I'm taking my ball and going home!" huff and puff following you running out of deflections to counter my points. That's frustrating to some degree, easily and deservedly mockable to another degree, and I'm not the type of guy to let the opportunity to mock something pass me by. Never have been.

Bottom line here, I provided factual historical examples of the USA and NATO doing exactly what Russia is being demonized for. Those facts aren't opinion and hose facts aren't manipulatory, they are actually in the historical record. All I am asking is why we tolerate the open hypocrisy of giving the west a full pass on that while also allowing the west to foam at the mouth against any on-western nation whose greatest sin is just doing what the west has done numerous times in recent history. If the best answer you could muster to that question was
"The hatred for the US and love for Putin on here just saddens me, so much.

Think I'll give up arguing with those types for a while."
then rude or not, you're defending hypocrites and acting like one, yourself. Harsh, yes... accurate, also yes. Outside of histrionic glad handing, the lack of self-awareness required in categorizing valid criticism of western countries as "hatred for the US/NATO/UK/etc" and failure to stand yelling at the man in an eerily 1984-esque public exercise in 2 minute hate as "love for Putin" is a mind boggling display of artlessness.

a reply to: UsedtoTieKnots

Yeah thats the thing about passing out weapons. Hard to argue that point when civilian means non combatant

We killed 100,000 civilians in Afghanistan

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Yes, I get you.

You are right and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong and must be shouted down.

'Think I'll give up arguing with those types for a while."

That's more or less what I said and you accused me of taking my ball away etc.

God, you really, really do not see the irony in your posts.

A certain poster on here looks forward to the break up of the US and wants Putin to nuke someone.

That's love for Putin for you.

Sorry if you apparently think that's a "mind boggling display of artlessness".

I'm "flouncing off" now so feel free to have the last word.

I just won't be interested in it.

Love you man. Peace. Out.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Thats me you are talking about but you clearly misunderstood me and my attempt to explain it.

I dont care how he escalates, but failing to do so quickly will only further embolden the west to act. This is a mistake as it will ultimately lead to more deaths

Ukraine should surrender at which point two major things will happen: 1) US crimes over the past decade will be exposed and 2) Ukraine will remain within Russia's sphere of influence, since war is the only alternative. Ukraine will be unable to enter NATO while Russia holds the Donbass and Crimea, which will not likely change any time in my life time.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Thats me you are talking about but you clearly misunderstood me and my attempt to explain it.

I dont care how he escalates, but failing to do so quickly will only further embolden the west to act. This is a mistake as it will ultimately lead to more deaths

Ukraine should surrender at which point two major things will happen: 1) US crimes over the past decade will be exposed and 2) Ukraine will remain within Russia's sphere of influence, since war is the only alternative. Ukraine will be unable to enter NATO while Russia holds the Donbass and Crimea, which will not likely change any time in my life time.

Don't the people of Ukraine get any say in your grand plan?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

You poor, poor victim.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Sure, they can put up a fight.

Did anyone actually think someone would come to theur defense? Like in real life, you are your own protector. Im frankly surprised all non nuclear states havent been absorbed by the handfull smart enough to build them

They will have as much say as they did in 2014....

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

When have I ever been dishonest?

Since you arrived under a new qccount when the invasion started.

Since then youve misrepresented opposing arguments with NPC (msm) talking points.

Meanwhile, Iraq and Afganistan were actually authorized by the UN (the world),

False. Theres not been consensus nor further investigation due to veto power by the US and UK. Also the US not being part of the ICC.

a non threatening neighbor,

Laughable every time you say it.

Dishonesty indeed.

.....

In nearly every post.

Perhaps you didn't notice that lavrov just confirmed every claim I've made?

There are no bio weapon labs in Ukraine.

There are no NATO forces fighting in Ukraine.

There was no 3 star general captured.

There are no Ukrainian bio weapon drones.

There were no NATO missiles in Ukraine.

russia intends to keep all the Ukrainian territory it is able to occupy for itself.

There is no dirty bomb factory or stockpile under Cherynobol.

And of course, that Ukraine posed zero threat to russia before russia's invasions of Ukraine.



I also call that laughable.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

It was never about the threat Ukraine posed necessarily, in so much as Ukraine has been acting as a puppet state for the US since 2014.

No one expected consequences for 2014..?

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

It was never about the threat Ukraine posed necessarily, in so much as Ukraine has been acting as a puppet state for the US since 2014.

No one expected consequences for 2014..?

russia invaded claiming that Ukraine posed a threat to russia, nice goal post relocation.

The specific threats included NATO cruise missiles, bio weapons labs, nuke and diety bomb factory under Cherynobol and Isreali nukes hidden in Kherson.

Their propagandists were still insisting these were the justification for russia's invasion yesterday, while also claiming russia wasn't intending to steal land from Ukraine.

There never was any threat posed to russia by Ukraine, and russia'a goal always was to steal resource rich land from Ukraine.

So says a careful analysis of lavrov's speech today.

On the same day that the putin madman repeated his threats to nuke the planet if anyone tried to prevent him from stealing that same Ukrainian territory.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Thanks again for responding to things...i never said, as pointed out.

And of course, that Ukraine posed zero threat to russia before russia's invasions of Ukraine.

Laughable....still....again?

Oh, and still with the MSM talking points.

Well done.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Thanks again for responding to things...i never said, as pointed out.

And of course, that Ukraine posed zero threat to russia before russia's invasions of Ukraine.

Laughable....still....again?

Oh, and still with the MSM talking points.

Well done.

Exactly what threat did Ukraine pose to russia prior to russia invading Ukraine to steal land?

Is this the imaginary bio weapon labs again?

Or the Isreali nukes in Kherson?

The NATO troops leading Ukraine's war effort on the ground?

The fictional dirty bombs under Cherynobol?

The NATO cruise missiles in Ukraine?



Or was it mean tweets that insulted putin?



Ukraine posed no threat to russia before russia invaded to steal territory.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Bot is broken. Its stuck on repeat!

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Exactly what threat did Ukraine pose to russia prior to russia invading Ukraine to steal land?

The threat posed by Ukraine was to Putin's and by extension Russia's pride and self-esteem.
They couldn't stand the thought that Ukraine could exist, survive and possibly even prosper as an independent country free from the shackles of Russian dominion and control.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

I am not a propagandist! The fact I dont know that should be highly favorable toward that statement. 😝

I can see why Russia wouldnt want NATO, the US or anyone friendly to the US on their borders. As far as Ukraine posing a threat by itself? I cant see that being true and if they said it then IMO it is wrong. Since the US got involved, totally different story. They are definitely a threat

a reply to: Freeborn

Or perhaps the Russian people dont want the US/NATO, which have all shown nothing but contempt for those people, on their border. I do not blame them.

Ukraine talking about seizing Russian nukes? Are they suicidal or just plain careless

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

I am not a propagandist! The fact I dont know that should be highly favorable toward that statement. 😝

I can see why Russia wouldnt want NATO, the US or anyone friendly to the US on their borders. As far as Ukraine posing a threat by itself? I cant see that being true and if they said it then IMO it is wrong. Since the US got involved, totally different story. They are definitely a threat

So the 'threat' to russia is that Ukraine might someday join a defensive alliance at some point in the distant future?

That's it?

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Freeborn

Or perhaps the Russian people dont want the US/NATO, which have all shown nothing but contempt for those people, on their border. I do not blame them.

Ukraine talking about seizing Russian nukes? Are they suicidal or just plain careless

The russian people have no say in who lives on their border, as long as they don't threaten russia in any way.

Did these contemptible people that russians think so little of pose any kind of threat to russia?

Beyond their mean videos and tweets of course.




Besides the fact that Ukraine is not a NATO member, making your claim absurd from the start.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

I am saying the US and NATO have shown nothing but contempt toward Russia.

As far as I know, prior to the US's "regime change" in 2014 Ukraine and Russia had an amicable relationship. As did Russia and the US, they supported our global war on terror and let US troops pass through Russia to reach the M/E

Also, did not Ukraine have a written treaty with Russia and the US essentially assuring their security in exchange for giving up nuclear weapons with the caveat that Ukraine would remain "within Russia's sphere of influence" ?

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

No, the threat is Ukraine enabling the US government to run amok in its country and do all sorts of things we would throw them in prison for if done domestically. All the spying, meddling and propaganda so many here spent 4-5 years whining about. That is coming around to bite them in the rear end pronto. Double standards are done and its time to call them out, whatever the cost may be. If that means the end of the US/west then so be it, government should have been more responsible and less worried about virtue signaling I guess.

I do not support bailing the government out of the mess it has made X3 by being a compliant party to WW3.