Do people support the Kremlin because they don't like Joe Biden ?

originally posted by: radaghast5
And now war in the Ukraine is Russian fault solely. People were praising zolensky for giving guns to fight the russians...and then bitch when the Russians shoot back.

I, like many here have been on the internet for more than 2 decades and I've followed every news story from start to finish.
If you don't realize it yet, this is the biggest story you've ever witnessed. It's the most brutal story you've ever witnessed.
It's not a story about Obama.
A super power is razing an entire country.
Can you even comprehend what the smell of rotten flesh and diesel fuel smells like?
Infants buried under rubble. Yes it's true. It's been block-chain verified by thousands of people. Not CNN, thousands of normal people are documenting it.
Honestly this is bigger than American politics.
It's not Obama who did this, it's Putin.


Cheers

One sinner plus another sinner doesn't make a saint. It makes two sinners. Putin is one. There are more to be held accountable for their crimes.

originally posted by: JinMI

Now the rub. What is the number of nazis that have power under the Ukranian govt acceptable?

See my point now?

Well first what makes them Nazis? Are they card carrying Nazi, do they have copies of mein kampf on their desk? They say they are nationalist who want to be free of Russia. Russia says anyone not pro Russian and are nationalist in Ukraine are Nazis. So about 90% of the country are Nazis by Russian standards.

What standards are you using to say they are Nazis, you use the word in every post so you must really know right? See my point?

The word is incorrectly used here... You really need to move away from it as it does not help your points no matter how many times you use it. Russia wants to dehumanize the population, is that what you want to do to? Do you want ALL the Nazis rounded up and put in concentration camps as Russia did back after WW2, in the 100s of thousand?

Last question...who is worst the Nazis or Russians.... Care to dicker on that one?

a reply to: Xtrozero

Where is this 90% number even coming from. I would like to see the source for that number. Your side keeps saying the vote to seperate must be illegitimate based on such a 90ish % vote without any other evidence ...yet you try to quote a statistic that is by your own arguments hard to believe.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: radaghast5
And yet one corner of the American right continues to support Russia, or at least Russian talking points, despite the lack of any clear political reason for it to do so.

www.newstatesman.com...

interesting read.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 your zource is ultra Progressive biased..


About the New Statesman

The New Statesman is the leading progressive political and cultural magazine in the United Kingdom.

originally posted by: radaghast5

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: radaghast5
And yet one corner of the American right continues to support Russia, or at least Russian talking points, despite the lack of any clear political reason for it to do so.

www.newstatesman.com...

interesting read.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 your zource is ultra Progressive biased..


About the New Statesman

The New Statesman is the leading progressive political and cultural magazine in the United Kingdom.

Well let's be honest here. We've all been "internetting" for a long time now. I'm not sure how alternative news is more credible than msm. All sites are "fake news" I guess. Even yours. People have their own beliefs and no one can ever change those beliefs. It's literally impossible to change any ones mind about anything on an internet forum.
But that's not the real source. The real source is actual online forums. Like this one. There seems to be a real and honest disdain towards America/Canada from those who reside there.
"Freedom" seems to be a word used a lot by the Right. It's a good word, That's for sure.
Can anyone here tell me how Russia, as a whole, is a more "free" country for its citizens than the U.S.A or Canada?
(and I'm not saying you cannot)

Good deflection and workaround.
And we wonder why the World is the way it is 🤣🤣🤣🤣

a reply to: Xcalibur254

he said while patting his comrades hand

a reply to: Xtrozero

They're Nazi's by the standards set forth by those now claiming they are heroes. There are documentaries on it. Go look up Defender day, look all the red and black flags being celebrated walking the streets of Kyiv. Go look at the meaning of the flag and come back and tell us how they wouldn't be Nazi's by current standards. Then tell me how the same people who say they don't exist went to congress to get them labeled.

I'm not saying this justifies the invasion, I'm just dispelling the notion that they somehow now don't exist to the people who labeled them to begin with.

originally posted by: radaghast5
Seems a lot of people on the right support Vladmir Putin. Is it because of their hatred for the left? I mean, you have to really hate a group to support the greatest war atrocities we've seen since ww2.

It's less about hatting the left, and more about respecting Putin for standing up for traditional Russian values and for the interests of the Russian people.

There are exactly two genders in Russia, and both of them are white.

originally posted by: RickyD

Where is this 90% number even coming from. I would like to see the source for that number. Your side keeps saying the vote to seperate must be illegitimate based on such a 90ish % vote without any other evidence ...yet you try to quote a statistic that is by your own arguments hard to believe.

You believe the Crimea vote so why not mine? 78% of the population is Ukrainian, 15% is Russian, 7% is not Russia in any way, but most of the support for Russia is in the east and that is about 4 million or 10% of the population. The vast majority of the rest do not want Russia one bit.

originally posted by: radaghast5
And yet one corner of the American right continues to support Russia, or at least Russian talking points, despite the lack of any clear political reason for it to do so.

www.newstatesman.com...

interesting read.

Ask an American progressive what they think about Israel.

Their talking points are indistinguishable from neo-Nazi groups.

Just sayin.

People have their own views. But I have to say that this is not a "two sides being guilty" event.
If it were I wouldn't have expected such harsh behavior from so many countries.
The sanctions and actions levelled at the Kremlin are unprecedented. They convey to me that the majority of earths population believe that it is Putin that is solely responsible. And that's a good thing.
Russia was even kicked out of soccer. Soccer is Massive in Russia.
That tells you something, doesn't it?
I'm not sure what's going to happen to Russia, but I know this.
Things will never be the same for them as long as Putin is in power. He really seems to have under estimated the free worlds response here.

originally posted by: TheLead

I'm not saying this justifies the invasion, I'm just dispelling the notion that they somehow now don't exist to the people who labeled them to begin with.

2% of the population actually votes basically Nazi. Tell me how 85% of the country that is not Russian are Nazis. Being a nationalist doesn't make you a Nazi does it? Being a nationalist in Ukraine says you hate Russia.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Did I say they are all Nazi's?

To me? No, to all the people labeling nationalists as Nazi's for the last 5 years, yes.

originally posted by: TheLead

To me? No, to all the people labeling nationalists as Nazi's for the last 5 years, yes.

So it seems any nationalist in Ukraine is a Nazi by some stupid standard, seems to be created by Russia, who knew...lol As I said the actual Nazi political faction is like 2% or less, so what gives here? Also what does that even mean Ukraine Nazi nationalist outside they really hate Russia, I really don't blame them either.

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: Xtrozero

Where is this 90% number even coming from. I would like to see the source for that number. Your side keeps saying the vote to seperate must be illegitimate based on such a 90ish % vote without any other evidence ...yet you try to quote a statistic that is by your own arguments hard to believe.

Best as i could find.


Link

All this talk of nazis in the Ukraine when most governments around the world are mandating forced vaccination 🤣🤣

Welcome to clown world 🤦‍♂️

a reply to: Xtrozero

Well first what makes them Nazis? Are they card carrying Nazi, do they have copies of mein kampf on their desk? They say they are nationalist who want to be free of Russia. Russia says anyone not pro Russian and are nationalist in Ukraine are Nazis. So about 90% of the country are Nazis by Russian standards.

What makes them nazis is them claiming they are nazis.
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Again, by their own words and led by people who currently hold power under Ukranian govt.

The word is incorrectly used here... You really need to move away from it as it does not help your points no matter how many times you use it. Russia wants to dehumanize the population, is that what you want to do to? 

Appeal to emotion? No. How about we stick to the facts.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: radaghast5
Seems a lot of people on the right support Vladmir Putin. Is it because of their hatred for the left? I mean, you have to really hate a group to support the greatest war atrocities we've seen since ww2.

It's less about hatting the left, and more about respecting Putin for standing up for traditional Russian values and for the interests of the Russian people.

There are exactly two genders in Russia, and both of them are white.

There are exactly two genders in Russia, and both of them are white.

What do you mean? Being white is standing up for Russian values?

a reply to: JinMI

In an interview with USA TODAY, he admitted he is a Nazi and said with a laugh that no more than half his comrades are fellow Nazis. He said he supports strong leadership for Ukraine, like Germany during World War II, but opposes the Nazis' genocide against Jews. Minorities should be tolerated as long as they are peaceful and don't demand special privileges, he said, and the property of wealthy oligarchs should be taken away and nationalized.

Sure sounds like a national socialist to me.

originally posted by: Akaspeedy
All this talk of nazis in the Ukraine when most governments around the world are mandating forced vaccination 🤣🤣

Welcome to clown world 🤦‍♂️

With all due respect there's a difference between mandating a vaccine and burning an entire country (literally) to the ground.
Cheers

a reply to: radaghast5

I believe it is the forced experementation angle that was employed by Nazi's he's getting at.