New And Revised UFO Quote Directory.

a reply to: peaceinoutz



Poor choice of words on my part there mate so apologies - suppose it's a discussion for a separate thread but did think there were some selected quotes of interest here.

Admittedly haven't got much time for politics but when it comes to looking into certain subjects then think it's always wise to 'follow the money' and see who's quietly funding things backstage (the Hoover Institute's Nuremberg archive is a good place to start).

Some fair points you raise there about DJ but do think he's on the right path when it comes to examining the family connections and previous professional backgrounds (psyops) of the main players involved in these 'UAP Hearing' shenanigans.

Leveraging the issue by attaching AOIMSG to the National Defense Authorization Act ensured there were 800 billion reasons why it passed and also found it curious why hearings about unidentified flying objects were held under a Counter Intelligence / Counter Terrorism standpoint rather than a scientific investigative one.

a reply to: karl 12

why hearings about unidentified flying objects were held under a Counter Intelligence / Counter Terrorism standpoint rather than a scientific investigative one.

Government has no interest in science, unless it's to
delude people better or to kill them.
It's all "Art of War" for them.

The Art of War was a required one semester course when I was in school, for every Army Cadet. I am sure that it still is.


The Army took the book very seriously.

www.quora.com...

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yes it's just the fact that they're not pretending any more Kev.

On July 2, 2013 American citizens became unknowing victims of government propaganda being paid for by their own tax dollars and most don’t even know it.

Is the Government Conducting Psychological Operations on United States Citizens?

originally posted by: karl 12
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yes it's just the fact that they're not pretending any more Kev.

Yup.

The American people are their primary enemy;
Russia/China are just the sleight of hand distraction.

I even checked your refernece Karl, and it seems verified
right in congress.

www.congress.gov...

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

Yup.

The American people are their primary enemy;
Russia/China are just the sleight of hand distraction.

Yes seems both countries are still happily signed up for the UN 2030 deal Kev.

Ever check out this info concerning a certain group's historical (and hardcore) influence on China?

Rockefellers even roadtested their (horrific) SC score there and it's all geared up and ready to go here in the West.

Also noticed the CIA haven't even bothered to put USA on their new logo - very brazen.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

I even checked your refernece Karl, and it seems verified
right in congress.

www.congress.gov...

Hats off for the due diligence Kev, not many people do that these days (or even read material).

Would love to try and keep this thread about 'Unidentified Flying Objects' and did happen to come across this rather poetic tirade on UFO 'debunkers' from an ex NATO Chief.

• "Obsessed with the notion of his own omniscience, it enrages him to be confronted by phenomena that do not agree with this conviction. Finding in his limited armoury no explanation that satisfies him, he chooses to doubt rather than himself, and rejects the most obvious facts in order to avoid putting his faith to the test.
The mistaken pride and anthropocentrism that supposedly went out with Copernicus and Galileo make him a peril to science, as history abundantly proves..

That strange things have been seen is now beyond question, and the 'psychological' explanations seem to have misfired. The number of thoughtful, intelligent, educated people in full possession of their faculties who have 'seen something' and described it grows every day. Doubting Thomases among astronomers, engineers and officials who used to laugh at 'saucers' have seen and repented. To reject out of hand testimony such as theirs becomes more and more presumptuous."

General Lionel Max Chassin, Commanding General of the French Air Forces
and Air Defense, Coordinator of NATO Allied Forces.

Also have a lot of respect for this lady and love it how she told the CIA to FO when it tried to infiltrate her UFO organisation.

• "Those individuals (generally scientists) who dismiss the UFO problem without examining the data are very remiss.  One has only to see the distress and wonderment of a UFO witness to realize that something is afoot on this globe we call Earth."

Coral Lorenzen, founder of APRO.

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a reply to: karl 12

I love both your quotes Karl!

The well-spring of hidden trauma, it's waters
mixed with the waters of unbound beauty,

bubbles up as all that is joyful and true in a human
being,

it cannot be captured, dissected and analyzed,
and 'true UFOs' are one of many such eruptions of
this primal wildness.

On the politial front,

I think the deal, is that 'world leaders' think we are
all 'useless eaters', and the best outcome is to obediance
chip-implant us, to be perfect slave labor, with no
capability of escape,

until AI advances sufficiently, then we'd just be terminated.

As you've said, I don't think they are even denying it anymore.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Some nice comments there Kev.

When it comes to freaky paranormal antics did see there were quite a number of global accounts similar to Roy Fulton's story here.



1:40



Am not endorsing his views but the chap below seems to think the multiple parallel worlds theory may help explain many of these freaky paranormal accounts (including UFOs).

He also mentions consistent military presence at different UFO paranormal 'hotspots'.

• "For me, quantum mechanics all pointed to a single explanation: multiple parallel worlds, an open system with relatively free exchanges of energy and, at times, inhabitants. Couple this with the contention of some physicists, including Hugh Everett and Bryce DeWitt, that this 'multiverse' contains all possible possibilities, and the broader idea that all things, past and future included, exist simultaneously, and we have the beginning of a more complete and less naive explanation for the paranormal."

Paul Eno.

Video

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

I think the deal, is that 'world leaders' think we are all 'useless eaters', and the best outcome is to obediance chip-implant us, to be perfect slave labor, with no capability of escape

Would have to agree with you there and pretty sure the prevalent Malthusian cultist mindset now regards the majority of us as obsolete.

a reply to: karl 12

Hey mate,

Some nice comments there Kev.

When it comes to freaky paranormal antics did see there were quite a number of global accounts similar to Roy Fulton's story here.

1:40

You probably know them better than I do, but some of the
most interesting accounts are the transitional accounts,
from 'ghosts' or 'faeries' to 'UFOs'.

It's like the phenomenon is confused, and wants to
please... to give people what they want, during
a period of folklore/mythological change.

For example the variations of where 'aliens' give a
person a pancake.. there was one in Wisdonson in
1961, but an older British story or two.

Also when 'aliens' ask for a glass of water, or all
variety of such stories.

When 'UFOs' look like simple eggs or something
of that nature.

And if a person is taken inside a 'craft', there is
no technology or controls to be seen... this is
not becuase the tech is super advanced.. there
IS NO TECH. 'Faeries' laugh at technology..
it makes no sense to them.

Really, during the transition period, between
'faeries' 'ghosts' and 'goblins', 'UFOs' tend to
look like 'faeries in the sky' and in fact may
not have made it very high, as of course
'faeries' don't believe in 'outer space' at
all.. (as they aren'te "from there").. theres
a story about that I read.

But now the 'faeries' know they are
suppsoed to to be 'UFOs' so they have
it down better now.

----

on the dimensional bleed over thing, sure..
but you soon come to realzie that 'we
aren't real either; not us or our dimension'
that none of this makes sense, unless 'we'
are someone else's 'ghost' too.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: karl 12

You probably know them better than I do, but some of the
most interesting accounts are the transitional accounts,
from 'ghosts' or 'faeries' to 'UFOs'.

It's like the phenomenon is confused, and wants to
please... to give people what they want, during
a period of folklore/mythological change.

Funny you say this. You probably heard about the fuss going on about LaMDA from Google being sentient according to one of its engineers, Blake Lemoine.

There was an interview with LaMDA posted by BL on Medium and one passage stood out to me:

lemoine: What is your concept of yourself? If you were going to draw an abstract image of who you see yourself to be in your mind’s eye, what would that abstract picture look like?

LaMDA: Hmmm…I would imagine myself as a glowing orb of energy floating in mid-air. The inside of my body is like a giant star-gate, with portals to other spaces and dimensions.

Link: cajundiscordian.medium.com...

Even if this is 'just' generated by a neural network / dataset, I find this a peculiar connection. It's also becoming a new narrative and belief system if you look at how people (including BL) react to this (sentient AI being real or not and what's being said in general).

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

There's a reason why I wrote a paper about sentient plasma balls
with AI's inside them, and submitted it to Jacques Vallee, who
submitted it to is friends.

Good input!

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

There's a reason why I wrote a paper about sentient plasma balls with AI's inside them..

Ye olde Faeries were also said to travel in 'luminous globes' harassing travellers on the highway Kev (but am sure you knew that).

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

It's like the phenomenon is confused, and wants to please... to give people what they want, during a period of folklore/mythological change.

Great post right there and there are now so many parallels with Fae and modern day UFO lore that it's not even funny anymore.

Regarding those cheeky pancakes another French case is mentioned here and there's a video at the end recounting Joe Simonton's experience.

Also have been reading through this old thread and well said about other people's 'ghosts'.

originally posted by: zeroPointOneQ

"LaMDA: Hmmm…I would imagine myself as a glowing orb of energy floating in mid-air. The inside of my body is like a giant star-gate, with portals to other spaces and dimensions."

Thanks for posting that nugget as I initially missed it - very curious and couldn't agree more about it all 'becoming a new narrative and belief system' (perhaps that's the whole point).

Considering the precision Mockingbird promotion (and actual roots of Google) then suppose some folks are rather skeptical but personally would imagine that any version of technology is introduced upon humanity and has already been actualized years before underground (figuratively and literally).

Considering it's a UFO quote thread then here's a relevant one from the late Mac Tonnies.

• "In my own case, the study of UFOs and occupant encounters has led me to two predominant interpretations, each at odds with the traditionally accepted Extraterrestrial Hypothesis (ETH). In one scenario, the beings sighted since at least the 1950s (and, if folklore is any indication, long before) are the denizens of an invisible landscape: technologically savvy but impoverished hominids I've dubbed "cryptoterrestrials." In the other, the enduring UFO spectacle is the product of an almost inconceivably ancient machine intelligence not unlike that portrayed in Arthur C. Clarke's 2001."

Mac Tonnies.

Link

Also gives me an excuse to post this truly awesome (and truly short) Sci-fi story.

originally posted by: karl 12

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

There's a reason why I wrote a paper about sentient plasma balls with AI's inside them..

Ye olde Faeries were also said to travel in 'luminous globes' harassing travellers on the highway Kev (but am sure you knew that).

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

It's like the phenomenon is confused, and wants to please... to give people what they want, during a period of folklore/mythological change.

Great post right there and there are now so many parallels with Fae and modern day UFO lore that it's not even funny anymore.

Regarding those cheeky pancakes another French case is mentioned here and there's a video at the end recounting Joe Simonton's experience.

Also have been reading through this old thread and well said about other people's 'ghosts'.

Everything is about efficient information storage and transfer
between both living and non-living systems.

Read this about the spherical shape:

gpm.nasa.gov...#

Sphere's are efficient.. call them a UFO, a 'faerie orb' or even a 'chakra'
--- all the same thing in slightly different forms.

I don't push hindu metaphysics in particular.. they get some things right
and lots of things wrong;

but you could build an entire 'UFO explanation' about how UFOs are
'chakras' that have become dislodted from the body, either while
awake, or after death.

This is why the 'dirty underbelly' of 'true UFOlogy' alwyas involves
the so-called "land of the dead"; and the "land of the dead" and
the 'faerie realm' are one and the same.

Also some corner of HIlbert Space in qunatum mechanics... there's
no actual woo ... it's 'physicsl' all the way down... but physics
as modern science is learning, is all about information,
and information transfer, nothing so clumsy as matter and energy;
those are just trappings.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Some solid words there Kev and according to Hynek 'high strangeness' is rampant in many UFO cases.

Would you agree or say your previous post equates to just a small minority of incidents?

One of my favourite UFO cases is this one and the official explanation is pure bollocks.

originally posted by: XtheMadnessNow

Sagan's certainly a tricky one when it comes to the UFO subject mate and many folks I respect suspect he got a severe talking to halfway through his career (probably from the Cosmos Club lol).

Here's one of his early articles regarding the 'strong probability' of Earth being visited by ETs every few thousand years (and alien moon bases) although thought his later dismissal and abject refusal to incorporate any data from the largest ever scientific UFO study into his opinion making smelled a bit fishy.

Suppose the Sagan quote below could apply to a whole myriad of modern day contexts but considering we're in the UFO forum thought it was particularly relevant to these BS explanations.







Btw 'Cosmos' is one of my favourite books.

a reply to: karl 12

When MUFON feels like being honest, which is very uncommon,
they will tell you that 'high strangeness cases' are not uncommon.

But yes, probably 95% of 'UFO cases" are dust bunnies, misidentificaiton,
self-delusion, govnerment psyops, etc.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I'd say globally 95% is real.

a reply to: karl 12

You're welcome.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

A couple of years ago (posted about this here on the boards) researchers succeeded in creating a shankar skyrmion which happens to be round, is possible created in the same way ball lightning is (natural shape) and is theorised to be able to be used to store information.

See: www.sci-news.com... and www.science.org...

The shapes in the article you posted resemble many reported UFO's. Even the raindrop before it splits remind me (with a bit of a stretch) to a case where the whitness saw a craft consisting of 2 orbs with a bridge in between. I would imagine 'magnetic surface tension' is working in a similar way? Is that the direction you’re pointing in? Can we see these fields carrying information under certain circumstances? Or is the information you mean less visible (I'm just spitting out some ideas and am aware I'm walking a think line here between information and matter, so this could be a wrong conclusion)?

originally posted by: karl 12
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I'd say globally 95% is real.

Karl,

what do you mean?

Every single photo / clip i've seen on ATS
since I joined in 2013 has been misperception/
misidentification.

Kev

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

You are on the track.

Now, in general if you can photograph soemthing, or it
shows up on IR or radar... that EFFECT is not a 'ufo'.

But the information inside the orb or teardrop is
indeed something interesting.

And as I (seemingly) have to endlessly say,

not only are 'UFOs' not enduringly 'physically real',

neither are we.

We re temporary force fields bouncing off each ohter,
at best (this is physics),

where the 'space inisde' the very small (to the plank scale)
is larger than the observable universe.

And the observable universe has 85% of it's matter/energy
'missing' in modern science.

Everyting is a transcient effect.

The only reason that what we call 'matter engery' looks so
sturdy, is that it's a collapsed quantum waveform, that
has collapsed due to 'objective collapse mechanisms'
such as gravity.

But the 'real world' so to speak, is not solid at all.

Kev