New And Revised UFO Quote Directory.

I believe this has come up before; but in case I wasn't specific:

"Thieves in the Night" by Joshua Cutchin

is one of the best books ever, on fortean topics,
if you don't have a closed mind at any rate.

It's full of so-called "woo", but he pairs it with science..
it doesn't sound woo-like when he writes about it.
(and that's as it should be.. "woo" is an infantile word
of derision, coined by people afraid to consider
that they don't know everything).

“That individuals today should be so stupefied at the sight of a flying saucer that they cannot focus a camera, seems to be an inadequate explanation of the lack of good photographs.”
― Manly P. Hall

“I do not believe there is any use in attempting to explain away the existence of these flying saucers.

There seems to be very good grounds for believing flying saucers are an experimental project in warfare research.”
― Manly P. Hall, 1950

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

what do you mean?

Ah yes Kev please disregard that last post (long story).

Officially looks like the actual unknown rate has been around 20/25% although Condon's may have been as high as 50%.

Also sure the misident figures are rather sizable but apparently hoaxes are in the low 5%.

Not looked too much into the Psyop Milab aspect but am sure they occur and after reading some of the early Artichoke/MKUltra docs then I wouldn't put anything past them.

a reply to: karl 12

Karl,

for all the world it's like someone besides you wrote that previous
post...

"The Greys Have Been Framed: Exploitation in the UFO Community"
should be required reading in UFOlogy as well.

Now Karl,

perosonally I put the BS rate at about 95% for the field as a whole..
but that doesn't mean I think the 'paranormal' isn't common.. I do..

Our very bodies are evovled to do various functions most people
don't even know about... i.e "automatic kriyas" is one way it's
documented going back hundreds of years..

I'd say that stuff like people seeing Bigfoot or other cryptids,
seeing orbs or 'the dead' or all manner of stuff, almost never
gets reported.

It's mainly 'UFOs' that get reported, and of those, like my own
MUFON case manager said, the high-strangeness ones tend
to be hand editted to remove any strangeness.

In general, anything photoed, recorded or reported, will
be useless...

that's the point Mate.

The 'insiders' have more data than they know what to do wtih..
all the 'mainstream sources' tend towards covering the real
story up.

Kev

Greg Bishop has some of the best stuff anywhere..

UFO Contactees with Greg Bishop

originally posted by: karl 12

originally posted by: XtheMadnessNow

Sagan's certainly a tricky one when it comes to the UFO subject mate and many folks I respect suspect he got a severe talking to halfway through his career (probably from the Cosmos Club lol).

For someone who was deeply skeptical of UFOs, I thought Sagan ended up giving one of the best possible explanations for UFO encounters and apparitions in his show Cosmos.


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Carl Sagan - Cosomos Club, Donald Menzel, J. Allen Hynek and other UFO figures, starting at 1:17:25 - "...and the ripples are felt inside the Cosmos Club...Carl has got to go." So, yea you're probably right according to DJ's take on that point.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

for all the world it's like someone besides you wrote that previous post...

Yes well spotted Kev, it was a good friend horsing around - thanks for posting that Greg Bishop vid, haven't watched it yet but do have a lot of respect for the chap and think he's very knowledgeable.

Saw you posted about Bluebeam on another thread and wondered if you'd ever come across any further info regarding the Rockefeller's involvement with the (still semi restricted) second panel of the 'Special Studies Project' directed by Henry Kissenger.

Certainly smells a bit fishy and also looks like the family were heavily involved in studying the mass psychological effects of the Orson Welles’ Martian invasion broadcast.

a reply to: karl 12

Saw you posted about Bluebeam on another thread and wondered if you'd ever come across any further info regarding the Rockefeller's involvement with the (still semi restricted) second panel of the 'Special Studies Project' directed by Henry Kissenger.

Certainly smells a bit fishy and also looks like the family were heavily involved in studying the mass psychological effects of the Orson Welles’ Martian invasion broadcast.

Actually sir, you know more about this global conspiracy stuff
that first became obvious with Kissinger, than I do

I've studied the grand conspiracy of the Roman Empire quite a lot,
and many other conspiracies.. but you are the 'one world government'
guy much more than I.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yes my friend, have to say the synchronicity is getting pretty thick these days.

Suppose it all boils down to 'follow the money' which I suppose anybody can do and actually remember my English teacher saying it's everyone's responsibility to do it.

Too bad there's so much apathy and wilful ignorance these days - all one needs to do is to read relevant documents from the 1960's onwards.

Basically Einstein had it spot on.

a reply to: karl 12

I was watching this innocnent little video, on why Netflix
is going under:

www.youtube.com...

and it turns out that BlackRock is all but a 4th branch of
government, and their ESG score is a way for them to
exert such power, that they can raise up or destroy
any company they want... I mean Disney.. Amazon..
anyone.. and various governments..

Have you been following this BlackRock thing? It's
new to me.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear


Very well said and with the current UAP hullabaloo it looks like it's all the same donors.


link




Ps thanks to ETMN we know a lot of things we should not.

June 24, 1947 – Kenneth Arnold makes the first widely reported UFO sighting near Mount Rainier, Washington. And so the modern UFO age began.

Will A Ufologist Die On June 24, 2022?

a reply to: karl 12

Hi Karl, recall how DJ often refers to "X-Protect is in fact "tech protect"...X-Protect is Covert Intelligence/Aerospace Group that Controls the UFO File" in many of his vids?

I came across this...

DOD INSTRUCTION 5000.83 [PDF] TECHNOLOGY AND PROGRAM PROTECTION TO MAINTAIN TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANTAGE. It was recently updated with the typical expected DoD procedural bureaucracy. Though they seem to be clamping down on "technology transfers" regards to leaks.


Mildly amusing coming from the US Naval Institute.


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I imagine that "threat" narrative seed will really sprout into unimaginable bureaucratic horrors over the next few years, aside from whatever the circus show is going to morph into...the material world & consciousness realm.

a reply to: XtheMadnessNow

Maybe...

but I notice from your link, that no ufologists died
on that date in 2021.

And this reference from 2020

June 24, 2020, Wan Gengyu (Chinese: 万庚育) died at 98. She was born January 29, 1922, in Gansu. She was a Chinese painter, librarian & dunhuangologist [i.e. prominent scholar student of the Mogao Grottoes or Caves (also known as the Thousand Buddha Caves) built in the 4th-14th century. Caves appear to clearly show UFOs over the Buddhas, and Giants.]

ibid.

is nearly certainly a gross misrepresentation.

Despite 'ancient aliens' show's love of misrepresenting religious iconography
and pyramid tomb art, every known example of such an interpretation
has been shown to be in error.

That means that no ufologist has died since 2019, which doesn't make
for much of a periodic 'curse'.

Kev

a reply to: XtheMadnessNow

imagine that "threat" narrative seed will really sprout into unimaginable bureaucratic horrors over the next few years, aside from whatever the circus show is going to morph into...the material world & consciousness realm.

I totally concur with you there!

originally posted by: XtheMadnessNow

Mildly amusing coming from the US Naval Institute.

Good catch there mate and still waiting to hear the ONI's conclusions from their UFO study back in 1952 lol.

Regarding 'tech leaks' always thought the one described at 27:20 was a rather important (and rather overlooked) one.

According to last year's DOD report China now owns 'the world's largest Navy' and could be nothing but did come across this curious article the other day.

Also could be nothing but did wonder why the US Navy were recently conducting massive operations over a pretty infamous UFO/USO hotspot off the Yorkshire coast.

a reply to: karl 12

When I was in the Navy nuclear power program, I was told by
a doctor that the nuclear certified people like myself had some
of the higest suicide rates in the Navy.

Suicide has alwas been a major problem in the Navy.

I can't speak to other military branches.

Also, in the Navy at least, you get promoted to Lt. JG almost
'for free', but every promotion from LT onward is 'dicey'
So it's not unusual for Captains to lose their ships or anyone
agove LT Jg to be washed out.. is what I was told at any rate,
but some of the junior officers I trained in the engine room.

I was an E6 (not an officer) so I'm just expressing what I was told.

I wouldn't presume some weird conspiracy thing about officers
washing out, is my point. Especially when at sea...

I was bridge officer for the engineeroom sometimes (took orders
from the capain and relayed to the engineroom). it was quite
something sailing under the SF Bay bridge out to sea,
while performing that function. (on a nuclear warship).

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Thanks for the post Kev and didn't that article state it was 'unclear' what prompted the dismissals?

They may not pertain to military suicides (or UFOs either) but did find the fact that 'the US Navy fired nearly a dozen officers in leadership positions in less than three months' was pretty curious.. or at least notable.

Regarding the Navy's fundamental role in the recently promoted UAP threat narrative also found it pretty curious how the initial incidents occurred over a notorious stretch of water which has been well known for decades as a UFO/USO hotspot.

"The first California underwater UFO was on July 7, 1947 when two San Raphael teenagers saw a "flat glistening object" emerge from the water, fly around and then dive back into the water 400 yards from shore.

Throughout this same year, numerous steamers reported a mysterious 'undersea mountain' or a 'large mass underwater' which kept appearing and disappearing in various locations in the San Francisco Bay and down the coast.

Following this, the sightings came regularly, in 1951, 1954, 1955, 1957, 1962, 1964, 1970, 1980, 1990, 1991, 1993, 2004 the list goes on, most from the Santa Catalina channel. The sightings involve many highly credible witnesses including lifeguards, security guards, law enforcement officials, military officers and countless citizens.

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Interesting you state you served on a nuclear warship and have always tried to keep an eye on the nuclear/DOE connection to unidentified flying objects (see quotes and documents) - also pretty amazing just how many naval accounts exist concerning the illegal removal of naval log books directly after a UFO/USO incident - ever come across any tales of that happening?

a reply to: karl 12

ever come across any tales of that happening?

I haven't.

I was on 6 hours on, 6 hours off watch rotation with a 8 hour workday
and evening drill schedule in that nuclear engineroom..
every spare moment I got (a couple hours a day)
and all I wanted to do was sleep.

I DO find it interesting that it's the Navy not the
Air Force holding the hot, stinky turd these days,
and the air force would do anything to keep it
that way.. maybe even send some of their
drones to bliz navy ships, to keep it 'their problem'.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

I haven't.

Well thanks anyway Kev and does sound like a rather intense work experience - also a pretty character building one.

Regarding the USAF being 'eerily silent' during all these newly promoted UAP shennanigans did think JGJ made a rather important observation here - having said that I'm sure they were over the moon when they paid Condon to get them out of the UFO game back in 69.

Looks like the Navy have been neck deep in UFO research for ages (but would prefer people didn't know it) - also remember Ruppelt lamenting the fact that UFOs didn't swim (but apparently they do).

Recent reports by UFO researchers suggest there is an on going Navy effort to destroy any evidence linking the navy to the UFO phenomenon. The reports of UFO sightings being edited out of ship's logs, by UFO researchers, confirms a considerable naval sensitivity to the phenomenon. Researchers have also reported the naval archives in Seacaus, New Jersey appear to have been purposely sabotaged. Documents are missing and files have purposely been mixed chronologically thwarting researchers attempts to do meaningful research at this facility relating to the UFO phenomenon.

Think you may have it spot on about that 'stinky turd' and those cheeky Lockheed Martian drones (always wondered what they spent that missing 4 trillion on) - also thought there was a good, thought provoking pic here.