Why are atheist so angry with God?

Also, pooping. Really? Your god can do and create literally anything, and the best design he could come up with for excretion of waste was pooping,

I bet this wasn't part of the original design. Has to be the equivalent of a deus claw on a dog or a six toed cat.

originally posted by: fencesitter85

Sorry but your reply is smoke and mirrors and completely fails to address the point.

Your god cannot be omniscient, all powerful, and good at the same time. He is either deeply flawed, or has evil tendencies, or doesn't exist at all.

You can make the perfect machine but if someone uses it wrong its not the maker of the machine's fault.

while simultaneously disregarding the staggering volume of horrific genetic diseases and biological failures that exist within human biology. And let's not even get into the mental side of things.

An unnatural society yields unnatural side effects to our bodies.

No matter how you try to justify it, your god is either a very low level of ability when it comes to creation, or does not care about the physical and emotional well-being of his creations.

How do you suppose you could create a perfect world while still allowing free will? You can't force everyone to be good.

I'll take my chances on one of the other 2000 gods from around the world. Or better still, I'll think for myself.

Ahh yes... because I believe in God I must be relying on others to think for me. Classic atheist bigotry.

I have come to where I am at now through the unbiased pursuit of knowledge. The atheist perspective doesn't make sense in light of the meticulous physical laws that persist all matter. It is by its own definition logical and not random.

originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: majesticthirteen

You said:

I know a lot of atheists. None of them are mad. At all.

I can make a thread of the angry things said by atheist on this forum. I have already listed some but that's not the point of the thread. If people want to delude themselves and say atheist never say anything angry and mean about God and Christ, then they can stay in Plato's Cave,

You said:

They are good people for the sake of being good to others. God will judge them with the same love that He judges you, and not by how hard they pined for Him, but how well they treated others and themselves.

This is just a lie and it's dangerous.

NOBODY IS GOOD!

Why did Jesus have to die on the Cross if people can good their way into Heaven? God could have said just do 100 good acts and that's enough.

Sin corrupted our very nature and separated us from God. It's only through Christ, not by good works or being decent are we reconciled to God.

What you're saying isn't just wrong, it's dangerous. Sin corrupted our very nature so we're all born in sin and iniquity and saved by the Blood of Jesus Christ.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 - For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Good people are a myth, according to you. Where did you get that idea? Are you a bad person so you just assume everyone is like you? Or you NEED everyone to be like you because it's easier than admitting you don't have all the answers and maybe are still a bit lost.

a reply to: cooperton

It's not an "atheist" creation story. It's teaching a scientific theory. You know, based upon the evidence and understandings very smart people have collected over the millennia. There is a whole world of difference. What would you rather your children were taught in a science class? Theories backed with evidence, or ideologies backed with superstitions? Save the latter for a religious education class or sunday school.

a reply to: TzarChasm

That's one of the ways these zealots get their power. Their concept of original sin, making us feel guilty for even being born. It's abhorrent.

originally posted by: MetalChickAmy
a reply to: cooperton

It's not an "atheist" creation story. It's teaching a scientific theory. You know, based upon the evidence and understandings very smart people have collected over the millennia.

It's by its own definition the most illogical theory ever posited by humankind. It supposes that no logic was involved with the creation of biological organisms. Intelligent humans can barely replicate these processes, so random chance doesn't stand a chance.

There is a whole world of difference. What would you rather your children were taught in a science class? Theories backed with evidence, or ideologies backed with superstitions? Save the latter for a religious education class or sunday school.

There's never been an observed example of a population of organisms evolving into something new. So they are left with mere faith that it can happen.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

Good people are a myth, according to you. Where did you get that idea? Are you a bad person so you just assume everyone is like you? Or you NEED everyone to be like you?

Bro you have said some of the most abhorrent things about humankind that I have ever read. You even hate when people consider that humans may be special.

a reply to: cooperton

This isn't the origins and creationism forum.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: cooperton

This isn't the origins and creationism forum.

When someone mentions that evolution has evidence to prove it, I have to intercede. Evolution is faith based. You guys hate God because God contradicts your mutant ape beliefs.

And I don't believe for a second that you simply hate the people who believe in God... you also personally hate God. You personally on these forums have called God many indignant things.

a reply to: cooperton

I don't have any membership cards in my wallet except for the local grocery so "you guys" feels a little crude as labels go.

I don't hate. I diagnose. When the list of defects reaches a critical point, it's time to step away so the professionals can do their job. Sadly there's no clinic to aid fictional characters. That would be a funny cartoon if there were.

Bro you have said some of the most abhorrent things about humankind that I have ever read. You even hate when people consider that humans may be special.

I've said humans aren't demigods which is more true than calling our species mutant slime monkeys, or whatever your current insult looks like.

The idea I was addressing specifically is that people are naturally broken vile demons that run amok without the aid of divine authoritarianism to reign them in and "redeem" them. That's just gross.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: cooperton

I don't have any membership cards in my wallet except for the local grocery so "you guys" feels a little crude as labels go.

I don't hate. I diagnose. When the list of defects reaches a critical point, it's time to step away so the professionals can do their job. Sadly there's no clinic to aid fictional characters. That would be a funny cartoon if there were.

You've spent more time than most star wars fan boys debating what you think is a fictional character then...

I've said humans aren't demigods which is more true than calling our species mutant slime monkeys, or whatever your current insult looks like.

Humans as "Randomly mutated apes" is the current dogma of evolutionary theory. If you think that's an insult then it's because deep down you know it's an illogical theory.

a reply to: cooperton

So you would sooner believe a book that was written thousands of years ago, over things you can actually witness for yourself if you paid attention to biology or geography at school?

originally posted by: MetalChickAmy
a reply to: cooperton

So you would sooner believe a book that was written thousands of years ago, over things you can actually witness for yourself if you paid attention to biology or geography at school?

You can actually witness prophecies being fulfilled in front of your very eyes from that book written thousands of years ago.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: cooperton

I don't have any membership cards in my wallet except for the local grocery so "you guys" feels a little crude as labels go.

I don't hate. I diagnose. When the list of defects reaches a critical point, it's time to step away so the professionals can do their job. Sadly there's no clinic to aid fictional characters. That would be a funny cartoon if there were.

You've spent more time than most star wars fan boys debating what you think is a fictional character then...

I've said humans aren't demigods which is more true than calling our species mutant slime monkeys, or whatever your current insult looks like.

Humans as "Randomly mutated apes" is the current dogma of evolutionary theory. If you think that's an insult then it's because deep down you know it's an illogical theory.

Okay. I accept that's what you think. What I think is people need God to substitute for their faith in humanity because they don't have any. And when those people turn around and act like atheists or agnostics are irrationally angry, it's because atheists and agnostics are simply rejecting the premise that humanity is fundamentally broken or that cult dogma will protect us where we are unable to.

a reply to: fencesitter85

It's amazing isn't it? This god who they claim is omnipotent and benevolent but creates this chaotic and entropic universe we live in. They say humans were made in the image of god, and look at us. We are a fundameltally flawed, mentally ill, sick species. The god portrayed in their holy book certainly exhibited and enabled all of our worst qualities.

I don't know whether a god does or does not exist. I certainly don't believe we are the pinnacle of life in the universe by any means. There is more going on out there than we will ever know or even imagine which could include god-like (from our understanding and perspective). But the implications of this god they claim existing, if we are made in its image, are not good.

a reply to: randomuser

No you can't. If a prophecy was written thousands of years ago, how can it possibly be any surprise when it comes to pass? There are numerous reasons. One is pure chance. One is simple human nature, wars happen. Nations fall. It is inevitable. Another is the fact that the elite have the power, resources and influence to manipulate events to appear to fulfill those prophecies. After all there has been plenty of time to plan the details.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: cooperton

I don't have any membership cards in my wallet except for the local grocery so "you guys" feels a little crude as labels go.

I don't hate. I diagnose. When the list of defects reaches a critical point, it's time to step away so the professionals can do their job. Sadly there's no clinic to aid fictional characters. That would be a funny cartoon if there were.

You've spent more time than most star wars fan boys debating what you think is a fictional character then...

I've said humans aren't demigods which is more true than calling our species mutant slime monkeys, or whatever your current insult looks like.

Humans as "Randomly mutated apes" is the current dogma of evolutionary theory. If you think that's an insult then it's because deep down you know it's an illogical theory.

Okay. I accept that's what you think. What I think is people need God to substitute for their faith in humanity because they don't have any. And when those people turn around and act like atheists or agnostics are irrationally angry, it's because atheists and agnostics are simply rejecting the premise that humanity is fundamentally broken or that cult dogma will protect us where we are unable to.

The fact you have the idea to conceptualize God is a proof he is real. There is no reason for it in evolution. Sit around any animal at all and see if they can do the same. They don't. They don't think about the unknown, don't wonder where they came from, don't conceptualize God. We do for a reason. And evolution isn't an explanation. I read the OP, and don't agree with a lot of what it says. But I do agree with the fact that everyone has to know deep down there is a Creator. I understand many don't accept that fact for sundry reasons, could be hypocrisy they see in religion, tribulations they've personally gone through or seen, or simply being raised in an environment that is atheistic and in schools that teach evolution as fact.

The saddest thing there is is a creation that is without their Creator. That is a huge void and emptiness that causes so much addiction to sex, drugs, alcohol, etc. Trying to fill a void that can only be satisfied by a spiritual connection to God. Jesus said: "Happy are those conscience of their spiritual need." We all have it. Not all are conscience of the fact. They aren't happy or joyful. And will never find lasting joy or satisfaction in any endeavor of life.

originally posted by: MetalChickAmy
a reply to: randomuser

No you can't. If a prophecy was written thousands of years ago, how can it possibly be any surprise when it comes to pass? There are numerous reasons. One is pure chance. One is simple human nature, wars happen. Nations fall. It is inevitable. Another is the fact that the elite have the power, resources and influence to manipulate events to appear to fulfill those prophecies. After all there has been plenty of time to plan the details.

Yes you can. And it is done, contrary to your dissertation, contrary to the will of man who tries, as you do, to cover it up. And people with a lot more power than you or me.

a reply to: randomuser

Sit around any animal at all and see if they can do the same. They don't. They don't think about the unknown, don't wonder where they came from, don't conceptualize God. We do for a reason.

Because we're bored, lonely, self absorbed creatures. We invent a fictional scenario and insert ourselves into it. Remember that Tim Allen movie where the legitimate aliens couldn't grasp the concept of pretending to be scientists and astronauts for fun? Theater was incomprehensible to their people.

The saddest thing there is is a creation that is without their Creator. That is a huge void and emptiness that causes so much addiction to sex, drugs, alcohol, etc. Trying to fill a void that can only be satisfied by a spiritual connection to God

Yep, there's that cult dogma again. Generating a need and then answering that need with some exclusive medicine that is imperative for survival and then adding more and more steps to the treatment process and programming society to believe this is destiny and self actualization is a subscription service for the very loyal few who earn it.

Yawn.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: randomuser

Sit around any animal at all and see if they can do the same. They don't. They don't think about the unknown, don't wonder where they came from, don't conceptualize God. We do for a reason.

Because we're bored, lonely, self absorbed creatures. We invent a fictional scenario and insert ourselves into it. Remember that Tim Allen movie where the legitimate aliens couldn't grasp the concept of pretending to be scientists for fun? Theater was incomprehensible to their people.

The saddest thing there is is a creation that is without their Creator. That is a huge void and emptiness that causes so much addiction to sex, drugs, alcohol, etc. Trying to fill a void that can only be satisfied by a spiritual connection to God

Yep, there's that cult dogma again.

You don't see what I'm saying. You just reasoned 'we're bored so we make it up'. Go see if an animal makes up the idea of God. You'll notice they cannot. The fact we can is not explained by evolution there is no need for it. If we are really animals and evolved from animals. The very fact that we sit around bored, according to you, and fantasize God, is proof that he exists. There is a reason our mind is able to perceive the unseen and fathom the Creator. It is a part of the spiritual need we were given. It's like God's word reasons:

"He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has even put eternity in their heart; yet mankind will never find out the work that the true God has made from start to finish."-Ecclesiastes 3:11.

a reply to: randomuser

The very fact that we sit around bored, according to you, and fantasize God, is proof that he exists.

Is Spider-Man also real? Is Gandalf real? Is the USS Enterprise real? According to you, yes.

There is a reason our mind is able to perceive the unseen and fathom the Creator.

*insert SpongeBob imagination jpeg here*