BREAKING: Russia launches 'full-scale' invasion of Ukraine

originally posted by: zatara
ny deaths and the distruction of their cities...so what is wisdom?

But then again...some govrnment are a collection of idiots. The president of ukraine is asking his fellow citizens to take up their arms and fight. What an idiot..Its such men that will be the first to flee to a safe country and hide like a cockroach if you ask me. Did you guys know that he closed three tv stations because they critisized his leadership and arrested some of the political opposition? I got that information from Tulsi Gabbard..a well respected and honest US government insider and officer in the US army.

I believe her. Gabbard is one of the few Democrats that still has a fair amount of integrity (Joe Manchin and Kristen Sinema being the only other two I can name). It's sad that all three are marginalized by their own party.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
I wonder what talking points the Russian contingent on here have been given to claim this is justified.

It's not the Russian contingent, it's worse. It's Americans that watch too much Tucker and think they have a handle on global geopolitics.

originally posted by: flice
There are always 3 sides to any matter, one side, the other side and the truth:

Please take the time to listen to her all the way through. We seem to be forgetting that Ukraine does not belong to neither Russia or the US or Nato.

We also seem to be forgetting that the west in 2014 helped Ukraine spark their own national socialist party.
And we don't seem to be very good at keeping a woke eye to what those forces have been doing and commiting in Ukraine since then.

A few highlights from this former Ukrainian presidential candidate:

- Ukraine consist of people who speak ukrainian and people who speak Russian. (just like Canada with English and French)
- Ukraine has since 2014, been censoring the local broadcast of local Russian speaking tv.
- Since 2014, Ukrainian national socialists /nazis, have been on the rise, without governmental put down and with no comments from the west.
- Her party wants Ukrainian sovreignty to be respected, the nazis stopped and Ukraine helped to be a unified Ukraine with respect to all, regardless of language, sex, any criteria, and to respect that some parts have relations to Russia.
- She wishes for Russia, China, US and Germany to meet at the table and reach a settlement.

We also seem to forget that Russia and the US share a border north of the Pacific.

Im no Putin fan, but if you placed yourself in space and looked at the Earth objectively as the GLOBE it is.
It's the US and Nato that has bases around Russia, not Russia that has bases around the US.

Then ask yourself once again; what would I do if I was president of a country in Russias position?

Thanks for sharing this.

Sadly it seems much too late for this now.

The tables have or soon will be flipped completely over, so now we get to see how Russia handles the ethnic Ukrainians that will be under their authority in the Western part of the country. If they treat them no better than they alleged the ethnic Russians in the Donbass were treated by the current (former) Ukrainian regime, then nothing has changed except the flags being flown at the government facilities.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

In watching this woman's testimony, it once again makes me upset about the U.S.' propensity to dig into complex geopolitical situations, instigate ReGiMe cHaNgE that in the end, does nothing but promote instability and put countries in no better, if not worse, situations than before we became involved.

Something tells me a lot of dirty laundry about U.S. dealings in Ukraine post-2014 will be aired out on the laundry line tout suite. Not saying it'll all be true, and Russia won't take liberties and exaggerate this or that, but some interesting news tidbits should be forthcoming.

a reply to: Nikola014

Russia already has no qualms with executing dissidents living in other countries. Do you really think they're not going to take advantage of the current situation to get rid of any political headaches while they can just brush it off as collateral damage?

a reply to: Xcalibur254
In the streets you say?? I'm not really expecting that to be honest. They didn't even do that with captured Jihadis in Syria, why would they decide to do it now in their backyard?? I routinely saw them detain and process surrendering militants in the Idlib and Aleppo governates and they even brokered amnesties for cease fires with Syrian defense to end urban fighting.

I don't see them devolving from that kind of operations to open executions in the streets. But rest assured, if they do it someone will either film it or its aftermath. The Turks routinely executed folks though in Idlib, and they are NATO. Kurds returned the favor though quite often against Turkish officers, but that's a whole different topic.

Thanks for the document, it's quite hefty. I will be combing it over as best i can.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

The reason behind that announcement is that Yanukovych and Putin made a secret deal that brought Ukraine back under Russia's sole influence.

You watch too much CNN

originally posted by: Ohanka
Ukrainian Army must take Thursdays off or something. Since resistance seems to be confined to random, singular jeeps and APCs who presumably got lost on the way to the local tavern and crossed paths with the Russians.

Also they didn't seem to bother to lay a single minefield, dig a single tank ditch, or set up any defences whatsoever.

Despite the billions and billions in military aid they got for almost a decade.

Looks like the Russians have already won. Maybe the Ukrainian forces just can't bring themselves to risk their lives to support a neo-nazi dictator.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
I doubt any of the MSM is going to mention this. The West overthrew Ukraine's democratically-elected government because it was too Russia-friendly for their liking.

Absolutely nothing wrong being friends with your neighbors.

Especially if the alternative is watching them rip off the condom and come at you with a serious look in their eyes.

a reply to: putnam6

Well, they tried in Cuba. If we can run them off from next door, then well, turnabout is more than fair play.

"GTF off muh LAWWN" isn't for America only.

It's still not our problem to resolve. That kind of bad cultural sibling blood doesn't give two flying #s about Amerian feels or ethics & morals, all we are is in the way. And eventualoy will just be wasted fodder.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Nikola014

Russia already has no qualms with executing dissidents living in other countries. Do you really think they're not going to take advantage of the current situation to get rid of any political headaches while they can just brush it off as collateral damage?

"Extra-judicial" killing of its own citizens, you mean like how we dealt this fellow?

Anwar al-‘Awlaqī; April 21 or 22, 1971 – September 30, 2011) was a Yemeni-American imam who was killed in 2011 in Yemen by an American drone strike ordered by President Barack Obama. Al-Awlaki became the first U.S. citizen to be targeted and killed by a U.S. drone strike without the rights of due process being afforded.

originally posted by: SleeperHasAwakened
Something tells me a lot of dirty laundry about U.S. dealings in Ukraine post-2014 will be aired out on the laundry line tout suite. Not saying it'll all be true, and Russia won't take liberties and exaggerate this or that, but some interesting news tidbits should be forthcoming.

A number of high-level US politicians had family members or close associates on the boards of Ukrainian companies for no (legitimate) reason. Joe Biden and Mitt Romney are two of them. I wonder if the Russians would care to let us know what that was all about.

"The Kyiv Papers"

a reply to: Gothmog

When he fled the country he went to Russia, and here is a little side note on Feb 16, the day bi den said they were going to invade, a hearing was held for a law suit filed by Yanukovych which claimed his removal was illegal.

Just a little co winky dink, Nah.


From a russian news source, but their really no better than anyone else's so take it as you will.

Ex-Presiden t of Ukraine Yanukovych Will Challenge Removal from Power on Day of Russian "Invasion"

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Have you forgotten about all the drone strikes the United States has launched? The United States is probably the #1 country in the world when it comes to extra-judicial killings. Likely by a wide margin.

Biden keeps making these dramatic predictions like they will 100 percent happen. He called they would invade, now he is saying Russia will be responsible for a large amount of casualties

I'm thinking he's not relying on information or secret intelligence but telling us what he will make happen one way or another

a reply to: Gothmog

So the agreement wasn't days away from being signed in Vilinius?

The Ukrainian cabinet hadn't already unanimously approved the agreement?

The Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada didn't say they were "united around these bills" that still needed to be passed to meet the requirements for the EU agreement?

Yanukovych didn't admit the reason he abandoned the agreement is because he wanted better terms for Russia and then promptly made an agreement with Russia for a $20 billion bailout?

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: putnam6

Well, they tried in Cuba. If we can run them off from next door, then well, turnabout is more than fair play.

"GTF off muh LAWWN" isn't for America only.

It's still not our problem to resolve. That kind of bad cultural sibling blood doesn't give two flying #s about Amerian feelings or ethics & morals, all we are is in the way. And eventually will just be wasted fodder.

Definitely believe it should be solely an European issue, all of Europe has been planning for this since WWII and they still weren't ready, acted shocked it happened and looks towards the US for leadership, a department we are severely lacking at the moment.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

What does that have anything to do with my original point?

I said there will likely be more resistance from the Ukrainian population when the executions start.

Have our "targeted" drone strikes ever succeeded in quelling the local population? No, they just end up digging in more.

Exactly like I'm predicting to happen here.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: ARM1968
It does seem that the Ukrainian armed forces Ed are being smashed, but we will see. Conventional war on this scale has not been seen in Europe since WW2. The Balkans was nothing by comparison - although fierce and sectarian.

Trouble is this is a three pronged invasion and Ukrainian forces will likely be surrounded. They need to either organise to fight back properly or stand down. Withdrawing to a defensive ring around Kyiv would make more sense, so they can concentrate what they have.

This could so easily spill out of control and still makes zero sense from Russia’s perspective. It is an insane move. Crippling sanctions and economic blocs will likely force Putin further - and then we will see very serious problems.

This really is not the time for Russian-aligned posters to excuse Putin. It is indefensible. We are all world citizens and we should all stand together against such insanity.

A big difference between excusing Putin to trying to understand his motivations. You can stand all you want, but unless somebody at NATO, the EU, or the US addresses Putin's concerns he can decimate Ukraine while they apply useless sanctions. Any ground NATO gained since 2014 has been lost, and think of the billions in aid and equipment being destroyed. Somebody got paid, some companies got rich and now we will let Russia beat them down again so we can build them back up and repeat and rinse. It's about the money made trying to shift Ukraine from Russian influence to NATO EU influence.

Putin got tired of NATO building a wall around Russia and the Nazi element in Ukraine's leadership doesn't help, along with corrupt American politicians fleecing Ukraine with aid for kickbacks and favors unless you believe Hunter was on the board of Burisma for his business acumen. None of this justifies how far Putin has gone, but you throw in being walled out economically. Along with again if Russia did what NATO did in Ukraine in Mexico we would have been screaming invade too. Unless you are fine with a Mexican version of the Azov Battalion on Texas' Arizona and New Mexico borders?

2 videos that helped me understand much more about Ukraine, it's not about defending Putin, it's about being wary of all sides involved here. Putin, and each and every NATO member, and the current Ukrainian government I don't trust any of them.

Yes yes. All trite. Wall around Russia my arsh. Would NATO ever attack Russia? No they would not. It’s downright lunacy. NATO was, is and always will be defensive. Why have they moved east? Well, likely because Russia invaded most of Eastern Europe during the time os the USSR. THEY have always been the petulant, neurotic and frankly insecure aggressors in this. They have NOTHING to fear from NATO - or had. I imagine they might now.

This is all in Putin’s mind. If we stuck all of the Wests ballistic missile forces and missile defence systems along Russias border, would we use them? No, not unless provoked. IF a dictatorial lunatic acts like a fool, then that will bring the retribution deserved. Putin has effectively destroyed Russia doing this and that will lead to the very thing he said he wanted to prevent.

And yes it is about money, but our debt based idiot society only functions well with peace and prosperity. An escalation like this, a war in Europe does NOT help anyone. Sure, stupid adventures line Iraq, Afghanistan etc make money for the global elite, but they are sufficiently far away to matter very little. This is hugely different. One misstep and the elites piles of fictional money will matter very little.

a reply to: Gothmog

Tell me about, head lines of CNN this morning, Ukraine, Covid is going to kill you, Trump, Police brutality and Canada

They just can not get off Trump ass this days.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Gothmog

Tell me about, head lines of CNN this morning, Ukraine, Covid is going to kill you, Trump, Police brutality and Canada

They just can not get off Trump ass this days.

Trump lives rent free in their brains forever and may have unhinged them

These type of people when pricked attack with a sledge hammer