17,000 Doctors Call Out The Corrupt Governments, And The Lying Mainstream Media.

Please just ignore Arrghzombies, and he will get bored and stop replying.
As long as people give him ammunition (replies) he will keep on replying.
He's (I'm almost certain) a paid shill to cause exactly this type of unrest , division and distraction.

Most people now instead of focusing on the article just focused on this twit

Ignore him permanently please!!

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: AaarghZombies

In the US, 17,000 would be considered fringe. There are about 10,000-15,000 actual white supremist and nobody is seriously claiming that we should listen to them.

Just had to point out what is now probably the most ignorant and inane post to ever grace the threads of ATS. Congratulations.

TheRedneck

When you literally believe everything that falls under a specific political label there isn't much room for rational thought, logic, or data analysis.

Anybody still stuck on supporting mandatory vaccines obviously isn't a "science" person.

They're going to have a mental breakdown when the majority of medical practitioners finally give up and admit that vaccination is pointless for general pop moving forward. The day is coming and pharma/healthcare administrators only have so much power to keep the actual practitioners quiet.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

The say "17,000" but aren't releasing the names. I wonder how many of these people are the usual suspects. Alternative healers, fitness guru and the Chiropractic types.

Ok lets use your same logic when looking at the "group of 27 prominent public health scientists" who condemned the lab leak theory and then the MSM treated their opinion as gospel. Or how about the "group of more than 260 scientists, medical professionals, professors and science communicators" who demanded Spotify censor Joe Rogan. Those numbers are virtually nothing compared to 17000, it's still a bigger number even if a large fraction of those scientists are the "usual suspects".

You do know that mRNA doesn't change your genetic makeup, right, and that you have approximately a 0.0018 percent of being killed by the vax?

I don't know where you got this figure from, but it's interesting because according to the data listed on the CDC website, the chances of a person under 18 years old dying if they contract Covid is around about the same percentage. That would imply the chances of a child dying from the vaccine is about the same as their chances of dying from Covid. However, we haven't taken into consideration the probability of a child contracting Covid versus the probably they will get vaccinated.

If a child is vaccinated for Covid every 6 months then the probability of death is quickly compounding, and it's a risk which is guaranteed, whereas an unvaccinated person may or may not contract Covid which alters their overall chances of dying. Plus if a vaccinated person gets Covid then they have even more compounding factors putting their life at risk. It seems pretty clear to me the risks of the vaccine far outweigh any benefit when it comes to children.

Those doctors are right about those three things in the article, those things are true. I am not afraid of this virus, I am afraid of the people pushing the vaccines which can be more of a health problem to some people than if they just got the virus and got immunity that actually is superior to the vaccine.

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Smigg

In the US, 17,000 would be considered fringe. There are about 10,000-15,000 actual white supremist and nobody is seriously claiming that we should listen to them.

Your analogies are terrible, people tent to ignore made up groups like white supremist that can't be proven or shown to exist. An experimental gene therapy drug on the other hand that does actually exist and is killing people, people tent to take notice of that because they can see it for themselves, it's not white supremacy hear say made up by the MSM it's actually real.

You do know that mRNA doesn't change your genetic makeup, right, and that you have approximately a 0.0018 percent of being killed by the vax?

Did the MSM instil that belief in you ?

I think they paid it. It is always coming out with some garbage concerning conjob-19 and the jab that it knows nothing about. All I can say really is don't feed the trolls, they keep coming back for more.

Like my son says, "if you argue with idiots, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" (at being an idiot). I try to avoid arguing with these trolls, because they just eat energy that can be put to better use elsewhere.

Cheers - Dave

Someone posted this in our community and someone else responded with a quick fact check on one of the lead doctors and the whole community jumped on the person who originally posted it with a disgusting vengeance and trashy insults.

The 17000 didn't seem impressive to them. Sigh.

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: AaarghZombies

The say "17,000" but aren't releasing the names. I wonder how many of these people are the usual suspects. Alternative healers, fitness guru and the Chiropractic types.

Ok lets use your same logic when looking at the "group of 27 prominent public health scientists" who condemned the lab leak theory and then the MSM treated their opinion as gospel. Or how about the "group of more than 260 scientists, medical professionals, professors and science communicators" who demanded Spotify censor Joe Rogan. Those numbers are virtually nothing compared to 17000, it's still a bigger number even if a large fraction of those scientists are the "usual suspects".

You do know that mRNA doesn't change your genetic makeup, right, and that you have approximately a 0.0018 percent of being killed by the vax?

I don't know where you got this figure from, but it's interesting because according to the data listed on the CDC website, the chances of a person under 18 years old dying if they contract Covid is around about the same percentage. That would imply the chances of a child dying from the vaccine is about the same as their chances of dying from Covid. However, we haven't taken into consideration the probability of a child contracting Covid versus the probably they will get vaccinated.

If a child is vaccinated for Covid every 6 months then the probability of death is quickly compounding, and it's a risk which is guaranteed, whereas an unvaccinated person may or may not contract Covid which alters their overall chances of dying. Plus if a vaccinated person gets Covid then they have even more compounding factors putting their life at risk. It seems pretty clear to me the risks of the vaccine far outweigh any benefit when it comes to children.

Source for literally everything that you've said, please.

0.0018 comes from the total number of people actually killed by the vax against the number of people who were vaxxed. Basic math.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Smigg

In the US, 17,000 would be considered fringe. There are about 10,000-15,000 actual white supremist and nobody is seriously claiming that we should listen to them.

Ehm, 17.000 doctors is more than the CDC, NIH and WHO...

originally posted by: everyone

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Smigg

In the US, 17,000 would be considered fringe. There are about 10,000-15,000 actual white supremist and nobody is seriously claiming that we should listen to them.

Ehm, 17.000 doctors is more than the CDC, NIH and WHO...

Only if they actually exist.

We've got a group of people claiming to have 17,000 names, but so far we only have their word on this.

Do we know, for example, that they aren't mostly alternatives healers, or that the names aren't fake?

Has anybody here established anything about any of them at all?

originally posted by: ancientlight
Please just ignore Arrghzombies, and he will get bored and stop replying.
As long as people give him ammunition (replies) he will keep on replying.
He's (I'm almost certain) a paid shill to cause exactly this type of unrest , division and distraction.

Most people now instead of focusing on the article just focused on this twit

Ignore him permanently please!!

If you want me to stop replying then verify who those 17,000 people are.

I'm here to inject some skepticism into a thread full of people who are taking the word of a group of strangers who provide no evidence to back up their claims.

Ask yourself this, if someone claimed to have 17 people who heard trump use the n word backstage at the apprentice, would you ask who these people are?

I'm doing exactly what you would do in that situation. Asking for some proof.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
If you want me to stop replying then verify who those 17,000 people are.

I'm here to inject some skepticism into a thread full of people who are taking the word of a group of strangers who provide no evidence to back up their claims.

Ask yourself this, if someone claimed to have 17 people who heard trump use the n word backstage at the apprentice, would you ask who these people are?

I'm doing exactly what you would do in that situation. Asking for some proof.

Looking at the page where the Dr's can sign the petition I dont see how it has any validity checks outside of whoever is doing the petition going through and checking each one personally (good luck verifying all those 17,000+ signers hell of a job)... also how many of those who've signed are actual Dr's, anyone can put in some bogus info on that page and be tallied as a signer. How many of the 17,000 total current signers are actual valid people within the field of medicine or are they simply using total signers valid and unvalid (ie people who've just filled it in for #s and giggles) as a good PR number.

I count 67 signers listed on the petition page... followed by the sentence

And thousands more physicians, medical scientists and researchers from around the globe.

So 67 out of 17000 are 'verified' and with names available for confirmation... color me skeptical about the actual number of real doctors who signed it. Also looking at some of the info on some of those at the top of the list they appear to be all Ivermectin pushers more or less.

In randomly looking up info on one named Paul E. Marik in that list I found this tid bit on his Wikipage...

In November 2021, the Journal of Intensive Care Medicine retracted a paper written by Marik and others associated with the FLCCC, including Pierre Kory. The paper promoted a combination of vitamins and drugs as treatment for patients hospitalized for COVID-19. The combination was called MATH+ by the FLCCC and included methylprednisolone, ascorbic acid, thiamine, heparin, and other ingredients. The retraction was triggered when it was found the paper misreported the mortality figures of hospitalized patients treated with MATH+, falsely making it appear to be an effective treatment.

Dr Pierre Kory mentioned in that exert also appears in the 67 'verified' doctors on the petition page, as do a number of those in the FLCCC... So some of these 'verified' signers appear to not mind misreporting data in their scientific papers? Can they be trusted then?

a reply to: Smigg

Can we see these 17,000 signatures?

Thus establish if indeed thy are physicians and medical scientists.

Also what does there "rigorous validation process" entail?

The 17000 either support your narrative or they don’t.

If they don’t, you want to verify every person on the page and if you find one you don’t agree with you will invalidate the list

We didn’t get to use this logic through the ENTIRE Covid ordeal. We listened to the criminal Fauci because he does support the narrative. One man.

originally posted by: wdkirk
The 17000 either support your narrative or they don’t.

If they don’t, you want to verify every person on the page and if you find one you don’t agree with you will invalidate the list

We didn’t get to use this logic through the ENTIRE Covid ordeal. We listened to the criminal Fauci because he does support the narrative. One man.

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The difference is that I would accept it when someone challenged those names or asked me for proof of who they were, I would accuse them of taking money from big pharma to post on this forum.

To be honest, without that proof I wouldn't even post the article.

a reply to: JBurns

For the most part, what you describe as anti-vaccine propaganda is actually the truth.

There are 2 ways to be fooled Mr. Burns--one is to believe something that is false, and the other is to REFUSE to believe what is true. Seems you've been fooled both ways, calling clot shots "vaccines".....

a reply to: AaarghZombies

I think the names you are looking for is here Physicians Declaration

Of course not the whole 17,000 names are there but few are there..

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
If you want me to stop replying then verify who those 17,000 people are.

The last Doctor that I saw who came out publicly against the vaccine lost his privileges at our local hospital and is fighting to keep his license.

a reply to: thethirdsign

Not anywhere 17,000 names.

Wonder why that is?

originally posted by: andy06snake
a reply to: thethirdsign

Not anywhere 17,000 names.

Wonder why that is?

You have no problem with the 260 doctors trying to get rogan off the air, didn't need to check the names then. Obvious bias.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Were the 260 doctors names and professions listed that attempted to "get Rogan off the air"?

Problem i have is the information they present don't show 17,000 names.

They simply say "And thousands more physicians, medical scientists and researchers from around the globe."

Then they should not have a problem listing such.

Simple really.