17,000 Doctors Call Out The Corrupt Governments, And The Lying Mainstream Media.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Smigg

In the US, 17,000 would be considered fringe. There are about 10,000-15,000 actual white supremist and nobody is seriously claiming that we should listen to them.

Really?

We spent most of Trump's presidency worried that those same fringe minority were the greatest existential threat the US faced.

**EDIT**

Additionally, As we are constantly being told that this country and just darn near everyone and everything in it are racist/white supremacist, I had no idea we only had a population of about 17,000 people + in this nation. I thought it was in the neighborhood of millions, hundreds of millions even. Must mean that stuff we're being told is a major lie.

a reply to: ketsuko

If you'd like to drop the sarcasm for a second, I was merely saying that groups of that size are regularly dismissed as being "fringe" in the US.

In a country the size of the US a movement that's a million strong still represents less than 1% of the population.

There are currently just under 487,000 primary care physicians in the US so 17,000 of them is around 3.5 percent. Which would make them a very small fringe group.

If you include include other people with similar qualifications who are lecturers, or involved in research then that percentage drops even further.

If you include alternative or complimentary health practitioners then things just get ridiculous.

Without knowing who these 17,000 people are we simply don't know how credible the OP's statement is. Are we talking 17,000 virologists and heart specialists, or are we talking about 16,999 acupuncturists, and some guy who promises to prevent autism using Tibetan herbs?

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Smigg

In the US, 17,000 would be considered fringe. There are about 10,000-15,000 actual white supremist and nobody is seriously claiming that we should listen to them.

Your analogies are terrible, people tent to ignore made up groups like white supremist that can't be proven or shown to exist. An experimental gene therapy drug on the other hand that does actually exist and is killing people, people tent to take notice of that because they can see it for themselves, it's not white supremacy hear say made up by the MSM it's actually real.

So, who are these 17,000 people?

Do they have names, what are their areas of specialisation?

Are we talking about virologists or people promising to prevent autism using Tibetan herbs?

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Smigg

In the US, 17,000 would be considered fringe. There are about 10,000-15,000 actual white supremist and nobody is seriously claiming that we should listen to them.

Your analogies are terrible, people tent to ignore made up groups like white supremist that can't be proven or shown to exist. An experimental gene therapy drug on the other hand that does actually exist and is killing people, people tent to take notice of that because they can see it for themselves, it's not white supremacy hear say made up by the MSM it's actually real.

So, who are these 17,000 people?

Do they have names, what are their areas of specialisation?

Are we talking about virologists or people promising to prevent autism using Tibetan herbs?

Go search the MSM sites I'm sure you will find the answer you are looking for.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: AaarghZombies


The shots modify the DNA of the recipients, and many experts have made that clear since the start of these experimental shots.

In no uncertain terms, NO THEY DON'T.

That's not what mRNA does, it can't alter your genome, there is no mechanism in it that can do this thing, it's not what mRNA does.

If they modified your DNA is would be so easy to prove. A grad student could do it on a campus lab.

You don't even need a grad student, you can do it by mail order.

Find someone who hasn't had the shot, get them to give a sample, then take another sample a couple of weeks later, and then have a commercial lab compare them.

If there were actual changes you'd think that someone would have noticed?

'm sure that 23andMe would notice millions of people with an identical section in the genome that wasn't there a couple of years back.

Should've thought of that when ""they"" started locking doctors up because they dare to prescribe medicine.

BUTT OUT government. Of all any and all things. Go twiddle your thumbs like you're good at.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Thank you. Although I want to destroy the left and drive them from this ground, my fellow patriots believing this anti-vaccine propaganda will only weaken our fighting forces.

""They"" don't want us taking the vaccine. Why do you think the left is mouthing off so loudly about it? They know the minute they support it we will die before touching it

I hope my fellow patriots make their own choices and ignore what the unshowering types have to say

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Smigg

The say "17,000" but aren't releasing the names. I wonder how many of these people are the usual suspects. Alternative healers, fitness guru and the Chiropractic types.

I'd be interested how many epidemiologists and virologists there are among them.

I could sign a random partition, and be verified, but how meaningful it would be beyond my personal opinion it would be could debatable.

I see you've taken a break from trying to dox people on here.

Did you show the same skepticism when it turned out the "300 medical professionals" attacking Joe Rogan for disinformation turned out to not be all medical professionals?

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Smigg

The say "17,000" but aren't releasing the names. I wonder how many of these people are the usual suspects. Alternative healers, fitness guru and the Chiropractic types.

I'd be interested how many epidemiologists and virologists there are among them.

I could sign a random partition, and be verified, but how meaningful it would be beyond my personal opinion it would be could debatable.

Sounds like all of those "Engineering Professionals" who signed the petition that NIST's explanation of the 9-11 collapse couldn't have happened. Where did you stand on that?

Argh Zombies said:


"Given that the anti-vaxxer movement is synonymous with fraud and misrepresentation, I'd say that I'm asking some pretty reasonable questions. Such as who are these people that signed this document, and what are their areas of expertise?"


The CDC, NIH, Fauci, and relevant media/political allies have lied and misrepresented Covid issues since the beginning. Many criticisms which were called "conspiracy theories" a year ago, are now acknowledged: there is evidence of gain of function research in Wuhan, funded by Fauci's Ecohealth alliance, most masks don't work, there is no evidence for the six foot rule, school lockdowns are not science based and doing harm, natural immunity is as effective as the vaccine, the vaccine does not stop infection nor transmission.

When are you going to start holding them accountable for their errors?

I'm sure you think that all of the scientists and doctors that signed the Great Barrington Declaration are frauds too?

gbdeclaration.org...

925,000 signatories. Not all are medical professionals, but many are.

On October 4, 2020, this declaration was authored and signed in Great Barrington, United States, by:

Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.

Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.

They've since compiled the negative impacts of Covid policies on a website, "Collateral Global." The reality is, it's always been false that all scientists and doctors agree with Fauci et. al.

Medical and Public Health Scientists and Medical Practitioners
Dr. Alexander Walker, principal at World Health Information Science Consultants, former Chair of Epidemiology, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health, USA

Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden
Dr. Angus Dalgleish, oncologist, infectious disease expert and professor, St. George’s Hospital Medical School, University of London, England

Dr. Anthony J Brookes, professor of genetics, University of Leicester, England

Dr. Annie Janvier, professor of pediatrics and clinical ethics, Université de Montréal and Sainte-Justine University Medical Centre, Canada
Dr. Ariel Munitz, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel

Dr. Boris Kotchoubey, Institute for Medical Psychology, University of Tübingen, Germany

Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics, expert on vaccine development, efficacy, and safety. Tufts University School of Medicine, USA
Dr. David Katz, physician and president, True Health Initiative, and founder of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, USA

Dr. David Livermore, microbiologist, infectious disease epidemiologist and professor, University of East Anglia, England

Dr. Eitan Friedman, professor of medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel

Dr. Ellen Townsend, professor of psychology, head of the Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, England

Dr. Eyal Shahar, physician, epidemiologist and professor (emeritus) of public health, University of Arizona, USA
Dr. Florian Limbourg, physician and hypertension researcher, professor at Hannover Medical School, Germany

Dr. Gabriela Gomes, mathematician studying infectious disease epidemiology, professor, University of Strathclyde, Scotland
Dr. Gerhard Krönke, physician and professor of translational immunology, University of Erlangen-Nuremberg, Germany

Dr. Gesine Weckmann, professor of health education and prevention, Europäische Fachhochschule, Rostock, Germany

Dr. Günter Kampf, associate professor, Institute for Hygiene and Environmental Medicine, Greifswald University, Germany

Dr. Helen Colhoun, professor of medical informatics and epidemiology, and public health physician, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden
Dr. Karol Sikora, physician, oncologist, and professor of medicine at the University of Buckingham, England

Dr. Laura Lazzeroni, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and of biomedical data science, Stanford University Medical School, USA
Dr. Lisa White, professor of modelling and epidemiology, Oxford University, England

Dr. Mario Recker, malaria researcher and associate professor, University of Exeter, England
Dr. Matthew Ratcliffe, professor of philosophy, specializing in philosophy of mental health, University of York, England

Dr. Matthew Strauss, critical care physician and assistant professor of medicine, Queen’s University, Canada
Dr. Michael Jackson, research fellow, School of Biological Sciences, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
Dr. Michael Levitt, biophysicist and professor of structural biology, Stanford University, USA.
Recipient of the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.

Dr. Mike Hulme, professor of human geography, University of Cambridge, England

Dr. Motti Gerlic, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel

Dr. Partha P. Majumder, professor and founder of the National Institute of Biomedical Genomics, Kalyani, India

Dr. Paul McKeigue, physician, disease modeler and professor of epidemiology and public health, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr. Rajiv Bhatia, physician, epidemiologist and public policy expert at the Veterans Administration, USA

Dr. Rodney Sturdivant, infectious disease scientist and associate professor of biostatistics, Baylor University, USA
Dr. Simon Thornley, epidemiologist and biostatistician, University of Auckland, New Zealand
Dr. Simon Wood, biostatistician and professor, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

Dr. Stephen Bremner,professor of medical statistics, University of Sussex, England

Dr. Sylvia Fogel, autism provider and psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital and instructor at Harvard Medical School, USA

Tom Nicholson, Associate in Research, Duke Center for International Development, Sanford School of Public Policy, Duke University, USA
Dr. Udi Qimron, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel

Dr. Ulrike Kämmerer, professor and expert in virology, immunology and cell biology, University of Würzburg, Germany

Dr. Uri Gavish, biomedical consultant, Israel

Dr. Yaz Gulnur Muradoglu, professor of finance, director of the Behavioural Finance Working Group, Queen Mary University of London, England

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Thank you. Although I want to destroy the left and drive them from this ground, my fellow patriots believing this anti-vaccine propaganda will only weaken our fighting forces.

""They"" don't want us taking the vaccine. Why do you think the left is mouthing off so loudly about it? They know the minute they support it we will die before touching it

I hope my fellow patriots make their own choices and ignore what the unshowering types have to say

It's the opposite.

"They" are pushing everyone to take the vaccine, full stop. They are trying to mandate it across the globe. What do you think Biden and Trudeau are talking about?

Big pharma has a documented history of fraud, bribery, and criminality. As in, it's not a conspiracy. It's completely absurd and dishonest to claim that educated skeptics, who know this history, are the ones that have a history of fraud. It's also a lie that being against vaccine mandates or rushed, experimental vaccines (covid MRNA vaccines) is the same as being "anti-vax." This is dishonest.

Please declare your conflict of interests or any relevant employment Argh..

Pfizer receives largest health care fraud fine in US history

Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Wednesday, September 2, 2009
Justice Department Announces Largest Health Care Fraud Settlement in Its History
Pfizer to Pay $2.3 Billion for Fraudulent Marketing
WASHINGTON – American pharmaceutical giant Pfizer Inc. and its subsidiary Pharmacia & Upjohn Company Inc. (hereinafter together "Pfizer") have agreed to pay $2.3 billion, the largest health care fraud settlement in the history of the Department of Justice, to resolve criminal and civil liability arising from the illegal promotion of certain pharmaceutical products, the Justice Department announced today.

Pharmacia & Upjohn Company has agreed to plead guilty to a felony violation of the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act for misbranding Bextra with the intent to defraud or mislead. Bextra is an anti-inflammatory drug that Pfizer pulled from the market in 2005. Under the provisions of the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, a company must specify the intended uses of a product in its new drug application to FDA. Once approved, the drug may not be marketed or promoted for so-called "off-label" uses – i.e., any use not specified in an application and approved by FDA. Pfizer promoted the sale of Bextra for several uses and dosages that the FDA specifically declined to approve due to safety concerns. The company will pay a criminal fine of $1.195 billion, the largest criminal fine ever imposed in the United States for any matter. Pharmacia & Upjohn will also forfeit $105 million, for a total criminal resolution of $1.3 billion.

In addition, Pfizer has agreed to pay $1 billion to resolve allegations under the civil False Claims Act that the company illegally promoted four drugs – Bextra; Geodon, an anti-psychotic drug; Zyvox, an antibiotic; and Lyrica, an anti-epileptic drug – and caused false claims to be submitted to government health care programs for uses that were not medically accepted indications and therefore not covered by those programs. The civil settlement also resolves allegations that Pfizer paid kickbacks to health care providers to induce them to prescribe these, as well as other, drugs. The federal share of the civil settlement is $668,514,830 and the state Medicaid share of the civil settlement is $331,485,170. This is the largest civil fraud settlement in history against a pharmaceutical company.

As part of the settlement, Pfizer also has agreed to enter into an expansive corporate integrity agreement with the Office of Inspector General of the Department of Health and Human Services. That agreement provides for procedures and reviews to be put in place to avoid and promptly detect conduct similar to that which gave rise to this matter.

Whistleblower lawsuits filed under the qui tam provisions of the False Claims Act that are pending in the District of Massachusetts, the Eastern District of Pennsylvania and the Eastern District of Kentucky triggered this investigation. As a part of today’s resolution, six whistleblowers will receive payments totaling more than $102 million from the federal share of the civil recovery.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Smigg

The say "17,000" but aren't releasing the names. I wonder how many of these people are the usual suspects. Alternative healers, fitness guru and the Chiropractic types.

I'd be interested how many epidemiologists and virologists there are among them.

I could sign a random partition, and be verified, but how meaningful it would be beyond my personal opinion it would be could debatable.

What's so upsetting to you about people being anti experimental gene therapy drug ? it's basic human behaviour to be sceptical in these types of situations. It's an experimental gene therapy drug TPTB are trying to force people into injecting into their bodies without their consent, how is that not a problem with you to the point where you start believing that people who do see it as a problem are somehow strange.

Look at how you just tried to demolish the claim that 17000 doctors are against this experimental drug, don't you find your behaviour strange ?

Given that the anti-vaxxer movement is synonymous with fraud and misrepresentation, I'd say that I'm asking some pretty reasonable questions. Such as who are these people that signed this document, and what are their areas of expertise?

I'll give you a couple of examples, do you remember that claim that airline pilots were dying suddenly because the vax and altitude didn't mix, and it turned out that this included people who'd not flow since getting the vax, and people who'd died in motor vehicle accidents.

Or more recently the claim about all of those FIFA players who'd died of heart attacks shortly after getting the vax, and it turned out that it was just names of athletes who'd died, and that 1) The weren't all FIFA players, 2) No effort had been made t0 determine when (or even if) they had been vaxxed, and 3) that it included people who'd committed suicide or were killed in traffic accidents.

So, no, I think that you're behavior is strange for accepting the "17,000" figure from a movement that lies more than it tells the truth.

Of course, if you'd like to convince me then by all means, what are these people's names and what are their areas?

originally posted by: bounder

Do mandates on their own benefit pharma? Or is it "shots administered" that they're after? Which means Joe Biden's payback for the great big donation requires OUR participation. I don't give a sh## what the F## this vaccine does or does not do medically, because without a doubt it IS contributing to Joe Biden's political campaign. Which I WILL NOT DO, under NO circumstances.

The "mandates" gave a quick boost to their stock value, which if they knew it was coming, could benefit Pharmaceutical Companies, if they took advantage of it. It could have also benefited owners of those stocks, like Investment funds, union pension programs, Congresscritters.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

OMG, I don't get it, I was told by you and CNN that big pharma is without blemish and critics are dangerous conspiracy theorists! What gives?

Johnson and Johnson receives 2.2 billion dollar fine

Johnson & Johnson to Pay More Than $2.2 Billion to Resolve Criminal and Civil Investigations
Allegations Include Off-label Marketing and Kickbacks to Doctors and Pharmacists
WASHINGTON - Global health care giant Johnson & Johnson (J&J) and its subsidiaries will pay more than $2.2 billion to resolve criminal and civil liability arising from allegations relating to the prescription drugs Risperdal, Invega and Natrecor, including promotion for uses not approved as safe and effective by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and payment of kickbacks to physicians and to the nation’s largest long-term care pharmacy provider. The global resolution is one of the largest health care fraud settlements in U.S. history, including criminal fines and forfeiture totaling $485 million and civil settlements with the federal government and states totaling $1.72 billion.


“The conduct at issue in this case jeopardized the health and safety of patients and damaged the public trust,” said Attorney General Eric Holder. “This multibillion-dollar resolution demonstrates the Justice Department’s firm commitment to preventing and combating all forms of health care fraud. And it proves our determination to hold accountable any corporation that breaks the law and enriches its bottom line at the expense of the American people.”


The resolution includes criminal fines and forfeiture for violations of the law and civil settlements based on the False Claims Act arising out of multiple investigations of the company and its subsidiaries.


“When companies put profit over patients’ health and misuse taxpayer dollars, we demand accountability,” said Associate Attorney General Tony West. “In addition to significant monetary sanctions, we will ensure that non-monetary measures are in place to facilitate change in corporate behavior and help ensure the playing field is level for all market participants.”


In addition to imposing substantial monetary sanctions, the resolution will subject J&J to stringent requirements under a Corporate Integrity Agreement (CIA) with the Department of Health and Human Services Office of Inspector General (HHS-OIG). This agreement is designed to increase accountability and transparency and prevent future fraud and abuse.


“As patients and consumers, we have a right to rely upon the claims drug companies make about their products,” said Assistant Attorney General for the Justice Department’s Civil Division Stuart F. Delery. “And, as taxpayers, we have a right to ensure that federal health care dollars are spent appropriately. That is why this Administration has continued to pursue aggressively – with all of our available law enforcement tools -- those companies that corrupt our health care system.”


J&J Subsidiary Janssen Pleads Guilty to Misbranding Antipsychotic Drug


In a criminal information filed today in the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, the government charged that, from March 3, 2002, through Dec. 31, 2003, Janssen Pharmaceuticals Inc., a J&J subsidiary, introduced the antipsychotic drug Risperdal into interstate commerce for an unapproved use, rendering the product misbranded. For most of this time period, Risperdal was approved only to treat schizophrenia. The information alleges that Janssen’s sales representatives promoted Risperdal to physicians and other prescribers who treated elderly dementia patients by urging the prescribers to use Risperdal to treat symptoms such as anxiety, agitation, depression, hostility and confusion. The information alleges that the company created written sales aids for use by Janssen’s ElderCare sales force that emphasized symptoms and minimized any mention of the FDA-approved use, treatment of schizophrenia. The company also provided incentives for off-label promotion and intended use by basing sales representatives’ bonuses on total sales of Risperdal in their sales areas, not just sales for FDA-approved uses.

Pharma guilty in opioid crisis

a reply to: Madviking

I'm floored that there is such a push for global, blanket use of something with such demonstrated lack of clear and necessary benefit to so many.

This shot is about as effective and useful as the flu shot, if that useful, and no one threatens to take away your livelihood if you decide you're skipping it in a given year.

This should be setting off red flags in so many people, and yet it doesn't, and for the life of me, I cannot figure out why.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Madviking

I'm floored that there is such a push for global, blanket use of something with such demonstrated lack of clear and necessary benefit to so many.

This shot is about as effective and useful as the flu shot, if that useful, and no one threatens to take away your livelihood if you decide you're skipping it in a given year.

This should be setting off red flags in so many people, and yet it doesn't, and for the life of me, I cannot figure out why.

Agree 100%. I'm totally for people choosing to get it, and especially high risk people. But, as you say, the gigantic orwellian push for all people to get it, including those with natural immunity and little children who have functional zero risk of serious covid, IS a red flag.

At the same time, I do not believe that the public has been given full informed consent about the nature of these MRNA vaccines, nor until recently even their efficacy. Because of the rushed nature of approval, without long term data, people were first told they would be "fully vaccinated" after two Moderna/Pfizer, or one J&J vaccine. Now they are demanding boosters. Now they admit that none of them stop infection or transmission, which was claimed originally.

Thirdly, they are barely acknowledging any adverse effects, although there is a trickle of that. Informed consent without coercion is a medical and human right.

Some of you *ahem* naysayers...ARGGHH
Should actually read the article

The 17,000+ signatures of the declaration are authentic and must pass a screening process before being officially identified as signing the declaration. Signatories are required to supply their affiliation and a link to their medical organization, facility, or profile. Nurses, non-MD practitioners and non-medical scientists are removed from the list signatories, as are duplicate entries and “bot” emails. The emails of the signatories have been separately and repeatedly tested and verified by a 3rd-party provider

TL;DR: They are vetting the names and removing those who don't have the right credentials.

I welcome people to question the narrative. Especially when all the companies involved in forcing vaccines, including the gov't ties and civilian idiots, are shown to have serious problems telling the truth.

Enough is enough.

originally posted by: Madviking

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Smigg

The say "17,000" but aren't releasing the names. I wonder how many of these people are the usual suspects. Alternative healers, fitness guru and the Chiropractic types.

I'd be interested how many epidemiologists and virologists there are among them.

I could sign a random partition, and be verified, but how meaningful it would be beyond my personal opinion it would be could debatable.

I see you've taken a break from trying to dox people on here.

Did you show the same skepticism when it turned out the "300 medical professionals" attacking Joe Rogan for disinformation turned out to not be all medical professionals?

Debunking something by demonstrating that the people involved aren't real isn't really doxing, but you knew that already. didn't you?

And I support Joe Rogan, but you also knew that already. Didn't you?

a reply to: havok

They are vetting the names and removing those who don't have the right credentials.

But they're not telling us who these people are, or what the right credentials are, or anything at all about how they make that determination.

We've only got their word for it, and honestly that's not worth anything at all these days.

For all you know they might be 17,000 acupuncturists.

a reply to: Madviking

And you told me that masks in schools would cut off oxygen to children and make them autistic.

I guess we're equal.