Evidence of an Ancient Advanced civilization that spanned the Globe

You wrap the stone so they are round and roll them. You could also round the stone, roll it and then cut it square. Really simple in a time before TV.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: vNex92

I believe it was all done by humans. Every block.

Do you believe it because you were taught so by modern day academic? sorry i dont.

a reply to: Akragon

If ancient Egyptians really did it why dont some people redo it or re try it right now in this era?
We have all the least tech?

a reply to: vNex92

they have tried to recreate what is claimed by the mainstream....

they used copper tools and tried to cut and chip away at a stone in egypt

turns out... it would have been completely impossible

a reply to: vNex92

It's been attempted. Some of the sculptures are mirror images of themselves.

I want to see someone try that today.... out of granite.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Harte

Just so we're clear... are you suggesting such methods were used to make things like this?

considering it took that wonderful lady 6 months to make a granite pot the size of a soccer ball... these are about the size of a large van... or bigger... how many years ye figure it took.... considering there are at least 4 of them... and more scattered about egypt

not forgetting of course... the mystery of how they managed to get them to where there located... underground

scienceinfo.net...

The sarcophagus in the photo - and the rest at the Serapeum at Saqqara - date to a MUCH later period. Some of them are even Ptolemaic.
In your question, are you suggesting that only one person was responsible for each sarcophagus?

If you want to know the method used, the boxes were drilled out in the interiors using tube saws, and possibly even the exteriors, but we know that the AE's quarried hard stone by pounding.

The surfaces were smoothed by pounding, then pecking, then grinding and rubbing with stone.
That last bit (grinding and rubbing with stone) is how we achieve flat, unmarred stone surfaces even to this very day.

Now, can you tell me why you think that couldn't be done?

Harte

originally posted by: XipeTotex

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: XipeTotex
a reply to: Akragon

Ancient civilization that spanned the globe?

Only a very stupid human being would fail to see that.

Only a person utterly ignorant of what is known would believe there was any "ancient civilization that spanned the globe."

Harte

Riddle me this.

Why are there silicon dioxide nanoscale sphere in some of the pyramid blocks and none in the stones in the quarries?

Why does some of the blocks spontaneously grow a fine whitish or reddish powder coating?

Its funny how some of the stone items i have created grow that same coating from time to time, depends on air moisture levels i would presume.

Get back to me when Davidovits can reproduce his claimed "discovery" about ancient geoplymers in a lab.
He's never been able to make anything like that. He's just assumed it was done and then cherrypicked what he needed to make the claim.

Harte

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: filthyphilanthropist

You'd have to scale up the logs too.

How big must a log be to lift a 100 tonn block? 200 tonn? 3...4..1000?
At some point the blocks we are talking about are much to large and heavy for this method.

Here is a list of megaliths that do weight 1000 tonns and more.
en.wikipedia.org...#:~:text=%C4%A6a%C4%A1ar%20Qim%2C%20one%20of%20the%20Megalithic%20Temples%20of,temples%20are%20 the%20oldest%20free-standing%20structures%20on%20Earth.

I would say 500 tonns would crush any logs that were under it. But for sure 1000 tonns would.

What 1000 tone megalith are you referring to here?

How many 1000 ton megaliths do you believe were moved in the ancient past?

Harte

originally posted by: XipeTotex

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Vroomfondel

I lean toward some type of chemical reaction that dissolved or soften the stones.

Or in a more out of the box idea. What if these structures are way older than we think like millions of years and back then those stones were naturally softer. A clay like material hardening over millions of years becomes granite somehow?
Maybe it doesn't take millions of years for the granite to harden?

Granite powder is very reactive, it forms a good geopolymer matrix, when properly measured and applied, it only takes about 24 hours to harden, and a couple of days to reach its final strenght

That's true, when you mix in a bunch of this stuff.

Mayb e you could find another recipe, but we already know the AEs made faience from granite (and other rock) dust.

Harte

originally posted by: Nihil0
a reply to: Harte

Yes, I'm aware Solon was already dead, my point was that through Solon this story got to Plato. I'm Italian and when I type rapidly I usually tend to fail to use the right word sometimes.

Plato never claimed to have heard this story from anyone.
One of Plato's fictional characters made that claim.

originally posted by: Nihil0Nonetheless, it was the belief of an Egyptian priest, therefore this account was a reality for them, or at least for him.

Plato said nothing about this belief.

originally posted by: Nihil0You don't need a work from Solon when you already have the testimony of Plato. Socrates didn't leave anything either, but we know his philosophy through Plato. There are countless examples where oral traditions left us true accounts.

Yet there are exactly ZERO examples of the Atlantis account in any oral tradition.

originally posted by: Nihil0Regarding any ancient Egyptian text that says anything like that, I'd suggest Aegyptiaca by Manetho.

The tome you suggest survives only in fragments, which I've read. You can read it too. Do so, then tell me what you're talking about.
You know, Manetho was born a hundred years after Plato died, so even if there was anything there (and if there is, I haven't seen it) then what would it indicate? That Manetho had read Plato?

originally posted by: Nihil0The concept of returning cycles of the world where catastrophe occasionally occurs during the end of a cycle is actually a belief shared by all those cultures and mythologies. Saying "it's not" does not represent an argument.

Equating worldwide beliefs in such cycles, and having them all set to the same frequency, is a vacant argument devoid of facts.
Anyone would accept the above, edited, version you just posted though.

originally posted by: Nihil0If you wish, I'll make you a list of the mythological and sacred texts where you can find what I'm talking about.

I would be glad to read them if you would.

originally posted by: Nihil0Some examples would be "Waynaboozhoo and the Great Flood"

You realize that Native Americans actually witnessed some of the largest floods North America has ever experienced - they were associated with ice dam breaks.
NOT having such a myth after that would be the surprise.

originally posted by: Nihil0 the obvious beliefs from the Inca and Aztec civilizations which the whole world caught up into in 2012 (that allegedly marked the end of a cycle for them), but explicit texts regarding cyclicity you can fin in the Popol Vuh and the myth called "The Shepherd and the Daughters of the Sun".

As I said, no one could dispute that there were some (but varied) beliefs in some sort of cyclical existence among varied cultures. There still are today, in fact.
After all,seasons are cyclical. Why wouldn't some cultures apply the same idea to their cosmogeny?

originally posted by: Nihil0Also, you can find it in the myth of Gilgamesh, in the Ziusudra, and other texts from ancient Mesopotamia.

What can I find in those Mesopotamian myths? Cyclical worlds? Show me.
Floods? Yes. But, of course, we do know that floods actually do happen, and we're talking here about river valley civilizations, aren't we.

originally posted by: Nihil0The ancient Latin people believed that mankind already went through other stages before them, the first one being a golden age in which Saturn himself dwelled among men (theory found in Hesiod's Theogony, and texts from Strabo and Diodorus Siculus).

A "Golden Age" is not a cyclical world, you know.

originally posted by: Nihil0This golden age was a belief from ancient Egyptians too, and the first cycle was called "Zep Tepi".

The truth is, this "Zep Tepi" term was used by only one faction of religion (we know it from Edfu.) There were four different cosmogonies in Ancient Egypt (might have been three, can't remember right now and too lazy to look it up.) None of them were cyclical in the way other culture's were though, and none even similar to any other culture that did have some kind of cyclical belief system.

originally posted by: Nihil0Of course, each one had a different reason why the cycle ended, some giving none. It's only Plato that said the Egyptians believed these cycles to end with astrological cycles.

Plato wasn't quoting an actual Egyptian priest you know. Nor did what Plato said indicate any cyclical nature to the world - just ancient disasters, and there were plenty of disasters in Plato's time so it's not like he couldn't have made all of them up. Beyond that, he actually layers a GREEK disaster myth over the Egyptian belief system in his dialogue.

originally posted by: Nihil0I can make other examples if you wish, also with Scandinavian mythology and other texts.

To answer your comment regarding Pierre Adams, it didn't work, it was never actually tried, and was obvious to the vast majority of engineers that such a thing was not feasible to place 800 hundred tonnes block on top of other stones in a precise way.

If you, in turn, have evidence that such machine worked, please provide it, I'm always open to reconsider my positions.

There is no reason Adam's analysis wouldn't work. Might not be exactly right, but the mechanical force required was certainly available with Adam's series of capstans.
And IIRC, at least two Roman architectural texts survive that mention the use of such capstans for placing such ashlars, not to mention stones of similar size were used in the Temple of Jerusalem (which was Herodian,) and at another Roman site in another place (can't remember where - maybe I can find the link in my giant collection.)
Please realize that the Baalbek quarry is actually uphill from the Temple, and none of those giant stones had to be lifted even one inch. To me, the astounding part of that Temple is the beams and cornices the Romans DID have to lift into place.

Harte

I don’t doubt they had tech to build these structures.

I look at it like this… all of known human history could have played out several thousand times in the course of Earth history. Billions of years is a long time.

There’s a lot we don’t know. To dismiss any number of “theories” summarily is silly to me. Why? We have a lot of evidence that “scientists” or “experts” are shills. “Official narratives” must be forwarded and changed only incrementally. On the subject of Egypt, how much has the story changed over the last 50 years? Not much. Everything builds on the long-established narrative.

As an example: Aside from “Ancient Aliens” and some YouTube videos, I don’t see prominent “scientists” deeply exploring ancient astronaut theory. Particularly those with access to data or physical access to the sites. To dismiss ancient astronaut theory as stupid, when we can’t account for billions of years of history in much detail, feels silly to me.

Instead, obvious questions get asked - “how did they do it?” Then, “experts” apply what we think we know about their technology at the time and concoct an “explanation” that becomes the official narrative. That narrative then gets “filled in” with discoveries.

Truth is, no one knows exactly how or why these structures were created in a definitive sense. It’s all evidence-based speculation. If my perspective is different, I can apply the same findings to fit a different story.

To me, a person is closed minded - and therefor less credible- if they aren’t legitimately considering alternative perspectives.

Plus, you know the official narrative is a lie if a POTUS has to come out and reinforce it.

originally posted by: Zrtst
a reply to: Buvvy I concur. The Egyptian hieroglyphs show various people in various sizes. Many will say it shows the importance of the kings and officials as opposed to the smaller servants and common people. I wonder if they were actually drawn to scale. Some of the temples steps and doorways fit the gigantic size of someone humungous.

No, not drawn to scale. We have the mummies of many of these kings (Ramesses II, for instance, and Tutankamun). They're the same size as we are. We also have the graves of commoners from those eras -- and they're the same size as the kings.

originally posted by: Akragon
In a time, perhaps before time as we know it... there lived a people who had technology that is far beyond anything we have in modern times. These people moved incredible weights as IF they were nothing... and carved/shaped the hardest stone like it was clay.
....

What happened to these people? And how did they create these marvels of technology thousands of years ago in a time where we are taught humans were tribal, barely getting out of caves

....and this is why you should check your sources.

The video is showing structures that are separated by thousands of miles and hundreds (or thousands) of years and trying to make a case for a "global civilization." The pyramids of Egypt (they pretend as if there's only the ones on the Giza plateau instead of the over 120 known ones in Egypt) were constructed about 2,000 years before the Inca pyramids... and those were constructed over 500 years before the Cambodian pyramids.

That's not a global culture, there.

If you check, the rest of the claims about a "global civilization" are equally flawed... and the concept relies on the Earth suddenly acquiring the "Great Stupidity Field" -- where a catastrophe hits and suddenly you can't remember the recipe for making fire and you and your neighbors can't figure out how to make a loom to weave cloth or how to actually plant and irrigate crops... or tame animals and harness them.

We've seen civilizations collapse before, and the people don't lose skills or knowledge. But in order for a "great lost global civilization" to occur, you have to have a big population that somehow survives a collapse all over the world (because we don't see a big crash in the numbers of humans) and that the collapse somehow happened everywhere all at once and people forgot how to smelt iron and so forth and went back to hunkering down in brush shelters and whacking rocks together.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: filthyphilanthropist


I would say 500 tonns would crush any logs that were under it. But for sure 1000 tonns would.

You would be wrong. Most wood has a wonderful capacity called wood compressiability. Which means if you lower a great weigh on top of it it will compress to a certain point and then no more and when the weight is removed it will spring back.You will find that when huge ships are brought into dry dock and water is removed the ship sits on WOODEN rests - why? Because the wood will be compressed and not be crushed.




The factor for moving heavy stones is not the wood it is the rope. Rope technology is the key and of course completely ignored by the fringe. You need ropes that can withstand the strain of hundreds of men pulling on them to move a heavy stone. That's the limitation. What the max - probably over 1,000 tons because no stones heavier than that were ever moved (besides being an extremely hard activity to accomplish).

originally posted by: mcsnacks77
a reply to: cmdrkeenkid

The ancient Egyptians had working light bulbs achieved by what is called “Crookes tubes”. This was proven last year, but people refuse to believe because for some reason they couldn’t be as smart as we are today.

More laughable claims with no evidence huh? Sorry I don't believe you at all. Got a science based link?

There are depictions on the walls of the temple of Hathor at Dendera that represent an electric light bulb. The ancient temples of Egypt and crypts, that have extremely intricate designs of sculptures, reliefs and murals exist where there is no light available. The possibility of the use of lanterns and lamps has been proposed throughout the years, but researchers have failed to find traces of soot.

I've been to that particular ruin - did you read the hieroglyphs which explains exactly what the images are about? Bet you didn't! The translation are on line - why do you refuse to read them?

They used castor oil which is remarkably free of soot. The other thing they did was to simply cover the roof and walls not being worked on with either cloth or mud. The soot stuck to it and was removed or cleaned away. Oh, and the banks of the Nile are automatic mud maker....

originally posted by: Xeven
You wrap the stone so they are round and roll them. You could also round the stone, roll it and then cut it square. Really simple in a time before TV.

Now THAT is an interesting idea, all King Sisyphus like were he was doomed to always roll balls up a hill which was the only way out and was too short to reach the opening in his pit, every time he would try to hold them there because the hill was the shape of a cone they would roll back down yet the only way he could ever get out was if he could get them to stand not only atop the hill but atop one another to reach that hole.


So forever he was doomed to try and fail again and again.

Now I am not saying I agree but that does make me wonder if an ancient Greek or someone that passed it into legend could have been watching the bent pyramid during it's construction, after all if they were meant to reach heaven in a very real way it was the Egyptian pharaoh trying to pass through a doorway into the duet.

But most likely the origin of that tale was closer to home for the ancient Greek's.

My personal take, I believe there was not one but several advanced civilizations before our own, that the human race is far older and that the Germans did NOT build this ancient runway that was later reused by NASA as a back up shuttle landing site in Africa, all they really did was pour new Tarmac over the existing structure (A desecration if it is as old as many believe) and add some new infrastructure to make it a viable landing site but the massive runway which is built of HUGE flat paving stones that were too large for any equipment of the time to have been built by Imperial Germany especially when even in Germany of that time like the rest of Europe the closest thing they had to a proper runway was usually a flat grassed aerodrome to take the biplanes of the period.
solarey.net...

Just one of many mysteries, there was apparently another in Turkey that was turned to sand but was re-used in the building of a modern airport there with EU money making it possible at the time, once again the Turk's merely used the existing footing the degraded ancient structure provided.

a reply to: Akragon

I have done a lot of thinking about this subject since the 1970s, when I read the book "Timeless Earth", by Peter Kolosimo. Its out of print but you can still find it on Amazon, it was sort of a "chariots of the Gods" format kind of book that was asserting that there had been an ancient, advanced civilization before this one, that had been lost. And when you think about it, considering that our civilization is supposedly coming from an origin around 5 thousand years ago, when you consider modern humans have been around for approximately 200,000 years, that's a lot of extra time for a civilization to rise and fall. Where I part the ways with it, is these kinds of books are mainly speculation and some loose albeit weak evidence. If there WAS a previous advanced civilization, we might be able to detect it scientifically. IE, where are all the ancient mines for getting the resources, an advanced civilization would need to function? The presence of such a civilization would have resulted in pollution, and environmental degradation, is there any evidence in the geological record of it, do we see a point in the recent past where species started dying out in a way that our civilization is making that happen now? These are the "shadows" of such an ancient civilization, I am not sure if there is any data pointing to this. Also, if such a culture did exist and they achieved space flight, there could be artifacts in space that would probably be in pristine condition, maybe on the moon, or in solar orbit. At the very least, they would have left some physical impacts on the Earth that might still be detectable.

a reply to: openminded2011

For me I had a long think about this space artefacts and came to the conclusion that while in better condition than on earth for example they WOULD have deteriorated over time.

Only crystalline metals and other strongly bonded materials with strong atomic bond's would retain there form almost intact but modern type ceramic (not pottery the high tech stuff like space shuttle tiles that kind of stands closer to metal but is not - at least not entirely) and plastic would likely degrade as there longer molecular chains are bombarded by cosmic and solar radiation, space dust and small impacts.

That said I think we DID have some relics in orbit and likely the US helped themselves to them destroying anything they could not salvage in case someone else could a long time ago, it is also possible the space shuttles were not only developed to deploy, repair and recover the US or OUR OWN EPOCH's satellites but also potentially enemy and Ancient objects as well, the Buran the Russian equivalent had no such capability and was solely being developed as an orbital nuclear bomber and is today rusting away abandoned in former Soviet territory's.


Then remember that something similar to this Secret Snatch, Grab and destroy of ancient relics and technology may also have occurred on the moon of all places.


Of course it could have been a secret cold war facility and perhaps they wanted no other power aware of there breaking of international agreements if that be the case however add it to that video of Bob Lazar regardless of some saying he is a fake claiming he "Seems to remember" that at least one of the craft he worked on was an archaeological find.


And then remember this would not then be in the hands of the US government but in the hands of corporations that while they may once have been fronts for the intelligence community have long since become both more powerful and more dangerous than there parent alphabet US agency's ever were.

Ultimately however for you or me knowing would likely just give us more questions BUT if a previous advanced civilization existed knowing about it becomes essential to the survival of the human race, it is not an optional and all those quacks with degrees sitting in plush offices payed bursary's by the various faculty's would therefore be betraying the entire human race just for there own short term selfish vested interests if they have covered anything up or gone along with those that do.

It is essential because we can only adapt if we know what has come before and what may come again.

Of course it has to then be public knowledge and is about racial and societal survival but as individuals it would have little impact upon our lives and we are such short lived beings that other thing's could well end our own civilization long before such an event came again, that or we may leap frog and escape Elon Musk style long before it only to come back in a hundred thousand years or so having gone all grey and pasty looking with big eye's monitoring our distant still earth bound cousins as they rebuild there civilization all over again (just being ironic there and that is not my belief but it is possible if the MJ12 documents were not actual fakes as they are also claimed to be, but if they are not what about those beings with Chlorophyll like blood, copper based or perhaps even a completely different eco system on the earth from an even earlier civilization or genuine aliens, that or someone spliced the genes of a Venus fly trap - maybe they hated vegans or something sorry could not resist).

originally posted by: VulcanWerks

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Why can we not replicate them?

I've heard this a lot but it seems to me engineers or even a decent bricky never agrees. Why should they when we actually do have the ability to weave a cloth that can filter water or aim lasers over 384k km of space and bounce them off a mirror that's a couple of square feet. It's a bit short sighted to think we can't move a 1000 tonne stone a few miles when we've launched 100 tonne payloads into space.

The Taisun crane can lift 20,000 tonnes, Cleopatra's Needle weighed 200 tonnes and the transportation of that is well documented.

Ancient building techniques are well understood too, fire and water a great for splitting rocks. All you need is a starting line. This can be achieved by engraving a line then applying heat or drill tiny little holes, fill them with pegs then apply water.

All the meso-american structures were assumed to be built without metal but that's a debatable point since smelters that predate Columbus have been found, the Inca knew of metallurgy.

Seems no matter where we look they had the potential with the technology and the means available, I personally find it a bit ignorant to think people of history couldn't achieve these great works.

I see your point here.

I don’t think anyone is arguing that past civilizations didn’t have the technology. They obviously did - we can see and touch the output of the technology via the many ancient structures we study today. So, I don’t think anyone is calling them ignorant/stupid/primitive.

All of known human (or human-ish) history could have played out maybe 10 or 20k times in the course of earth’s history. To think we’re the peak all of advancement the planet has ever seen might be a stretch, arrogant, or flat out wrong.

There’s no shortage of mysteries around the subject of ancient structures. Tech, “why?”, etc. are all huge curiosities.

The question that I can’t answer is… what happened to these “people”? If they had the tech to create these megalithic structures out of exceptionally heavy material, how did they just go away (in some instances)? My train of thought is, If you can identify what happened to them then you might also figure out why the structures were built, how they were built and more. Work backwards, in a way.

I have some speculations but, like others, I don’t know the answer.

We know how to levitate objects with sound. Maybe they could use it for massive ones.