How Old Do You Have To Be Before You Get Your Constitutional Rights.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
Let's stop the 99% and we can discuss the 1%.

No, that's not how it works. Jamming your morality down people's throats is the best way to get enormous backlash.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Quadrivium
Let's stop the 99% and we can discuss the 1%.

No, that's not how it works. Jamming your morality down people's throats is the best way to get enormous backlash.

What morality? Are you talking about murder?
So.....
You don't have an issue with murder?

originally posted by: Quadrivium
You don't have an issue with murder?

I don't have an issue with abortion since I'm not a woman and I'm not about to tell people what to do with their bodies.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Prove it is their body.
In 99% of cases, like men, they give a part of themselves FREELY to try and create a Human Being.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
Prove it is their body.

You need an anatomy lesson on women's bodies now?

In 99% of cases, like men, they give a part of themselves FREELY to try and create a Human Being.

You one of those puritanical 'sex is only for procreation' types? Because most times people have sex it isn't for reproduction, but people who get laid regularly already knew that.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

In 99% of cases, like men, they give a part of themselves FREELY to try and create a Human Being.

I think you may not have been following the statistics on rape and assault. The number of women who have been sexually assaulted is greater than 1%.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

You need an anatomy lesson on women's bodies now?

😁
Thank you.
Deflection proves my point.
Come on, you can do better.
The woman like the man gave a part of themselves to create a new human being.
They made the choice.

You one of those puritanical 'sex is only for procreation' types? Because most times people have sex it isn't for reproduction, but people who get laid regularly already knew that.

Again with the "feelz".
In your own words, you believe getting laid is worth a person's life.
Care to talk about the facts?
So Mote it be.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

In 99% of cases, like men, they give a part of themselves FREELY to try and create a Human Being.

I think you may not have been following the statistics on rape and assault. The number of women who have been sexually assaulted is greater than 1%.

Since 1973, the average runs around 1%.
Over 63,000,000 babies killed.
630,000 due to sexual assault.
So, over 62,000,000 babies killed due to "buyers remorse".

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originally posted by: JIMC5499
I have a question and I am looking for your opinions. Once I get some opinions I'll expand this to explain why I am asking.

How old do you have to be before you get your Constitutional Rights?

I know that the 14th Amendment specifies voting age and the ages for holding office. I am not referring to that.

All of them at birth via your parents.

The Rights you speak of should be human. For all.

Be your true self - and that self has no malice.

Find it and go forth and do.

a reply to: Quadrivium

So, how many were returned back to the baby store because they were defective?
How many were found to be a danger to the consumer and recalled as a result?

Somewhere between 8.5 and 9 hundred thousand abortions occurred last year. Around 90%, in the first trimester. As far as I know, no one has to justify or explain why they have decided to terminate their pregnancy to anyone unless it is after the point of viability. Ya, they could get a survey they can fill out if they wish, but, they dont have to or they could just write none of your danged business in bold letters across the page. So, the,stats aren't giving an accurate picture of why. Rapes go unreported, women might know a pregnancy poses an unusual amount of danger to them before conception has occurred even or they might already have had a birth where the baby had a catastrophic birth defect caused by genetics. No birth control is 100% effective.. not even sterialization. Crap happens!!
Each one of those 8-9 hundred thousand women are individuals with their own personal story, their own justification as to why. I got a feeling that for many of your 90%, their reason was more than buyer's remorse.
Rittenhouse knowingly grabbed his gun and went into a hostile environment, to "protect property" that wasn't his even. His right to self defense was recognized, he isn't a murderer now is he? No, he is being lifted up by the right as a hero, invited onto all the talk shows, heck, there is talk of him being an aide for one of the congressmen!!
Well.. the women have an equal right to self defense as rittenhouse had to protect her property... her body!! The 14th ammendment gives all persons born or naturalized in the US the equal protection of the laws. Rittenhouse has the legal right to kill two citizens... they were BORN in the US... to defend himself. Then women have that same protection for sure when it comes to the unborn, non-citizen fetus when a pregnancy poses a threat to her wellbeing.

That being said, the 14th did not extend every right to females. They reserved voting rights for just the males and many of the rights women now enjoy we get to enjoy either by further amendments (the right to vote) and laws. Texas is showing us that they have found a way to get around many of these laws and even supreme court decisions.


Women cannot accept a fetus she may be carrying (many of these abortion laws are set at time of conception making every women of childbearing age potentially pregnant) holding more legal rights than she has herself.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: dawnstar
That's only for men, one could argue only white men.

With property.

Who pay taxes on said property

originally posted by: Quadrivium
The woman like the man gave a part of themselves to create a new human being.

That's nice, I think we all understand the biology aspect. It isn't all about biology though, it's about your unwanted morality.

In your own words, you believe getting laid is worth a person's life.

Embryos are not people, they're embryos.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Who pay taxes on said property

The property owners.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: DBCowboy
It isn't a matter of weather they deserve basic human rights as much as it is that they are incapable of exercising most of them and there is no way we could give those rights to them till they are born, if then. How do you give a non-viable fetus liberty? You can once they have developed enough to be considered viable. But, till then, they really don't have much liberty, do they? They can't even get mad at mom and go into another room to get away from her. Even young children are restricted in their liberty, aren't they? Or. Do you let your 2 year old outside to play alone?

so someone bound by wheelchair from birth also has no rights, due to not being able to exercise them as you feel they should?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

It isn't all about biology though, it's about your unwanted morality.

You are the one bringing morality into it and projecting onto others.
I am using simple biology.

Embryos are not people, they're embryos.

Embryos are human beings.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Unless, of course, they own a large amount of land, with a large number of house that they rent...
Then, the cost of the taxes is just passed on down to the tenants. Back then, there was a king giving away large land Grant's, sending people over by the boatloads as indentured servants..(cheap labor), and slaves to work that land and produce a profit for the landowner... who, I am sure, made sure he could still make a nice profit after his taxes were paid... even if it meant working the slaves longer hours, feeding them less, renting out some of the land, ect.
So, who paid the taxes?
And, that isn't saying anything about all the other taxes govts push onto us. I think it was a tax on tea that led to that great tea party for the fishies, wasn't it? I am pretty sure it wasn't just the land owners who were drinking the tea.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
You are the one bringing morality into it and projecting on to others.

My morality isn't involved because I'm not the one telling other people what to do.

Embryos are human beings.

Uh, no, embryos are called embryos for a reason and it isn't because the word is interchangeable with 'people'.

a reply to: Quadrivium

Since 1973, the average runs around 1%.

According to who?

There is no law that requires women to report their rapes. There is no law that requires women to list the reason why they choose abortion.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

You are projecting your morality into the conversation. It's why you snip my post apart when quoting them.
You conveniently leave out the parts you don't want to argue, like biology.

Uh, no, embryos are called embryos for a reason and it isn't because the word is interchangeable with 'people'.

You said "people" I said "human being".
The embryo is a human being.

a reply to: network dude

Once the wheelchair bound is able to operate that wheelchair on his own, he can decide he wants to move himself to another location and go there, can't he?
Tell me, if I have a two year old that decides he,want to go the park that requires crossing two very busy streets, is the govt gonna claim I am not acknowledging his rights if I don't let him go, or are they more apt to call me neglectful if I let him and something happens? Can i force a young child to go into the store with me even though he doesn't want to, or will i be more apt to be arrested if i leave him in the car on a very hot day?
It seems that our govt doesn't recognize some rights when it comes to young children, doesn't it?
And, when we age, become senile and unable to make sound decisions for ourselves.. the govt is there to take those rights away and hand our guardianship over to a relative.