How Old Do You Have To Be Before You Get Your Constitutional Rights.

The preamble of the constitution stated that all men were created equaled and endowed with rights by their creator. Not women, not fetuses, heck, not even some men it seems.
The 14th ammendment doesnt say anything about inalienable rights granted by the creator, but did extend those rights to all persons born... and gave all persons born equal protection under the law. Still not quite equal to those men it seems since women had to wait,a bit longer for the right to vote. But, better. Still no mention of the unborn.
Sorry, it appears the fetus doesn't have constitutional rights.
The time when a fetus can survive outside of the womb is important in that once that time is reached, if there is a conflict between the mother and the unborn child she is carrying, the fetus can be safely removed ending the conflict.
And, those who are saying that that time shouldn't be considered because it is changing as the tech is changing and getting better at letting younger preemies survive earlier and earlier just ain't telling the whole story. Ya, they can survive, with the help of some very expensive healthcare and then, they might have some permanent disabilities of significance. Which makes many hospitals not want to even try.

a reply to: Quadrivium

If it is not a human being, what is it?

It's "being" a human embryo.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
Like pulling eyeteeth...

I answered you the first time you asked that question.

Why does that make them any less of a human being?

I don't understand your question.

Speaking of constitutional rights - Do you guys realize ILLEGALS are getting more rights than American Citizens??
In NYC - ILLEGALS are now given the right to vote in local elections, and let's face it, that is going to expand as time goes along, leading to all kinds of problems - namely, that 50 million plus ILLEGALS will be running our country to their advantage, more being bused and flown in every day, distributed into different states at night so that you are unaware.
So nevermind abortion rights, and other silly stuff, start worrying about YOUR country, and how YOU will have less as time goes along, because THEY are living for free with thousands of dollars at their disposal every month, which WE are paying for.
A doctor specialist I saw recently told me that he wants to know how they are running across our border on Monday, and on Tuesday they have an appointment with him - PAID for by our government, in other words you and I.
President Trump was the only President to put his foot down, if you really want to do something for our country and our constituional rights - Vote Republican!!

Speaking of feelz...
Don't worry that the supreme court has allowed an abortion ban that places the rights of the fetus above that of the women who is carrying it to be enforced..
We should feelz far more fear of the illegal immigrants that New York city is allowing to vote in local elections! Feelz the fear.. those evil libs are destroying your country!! For the sake of the country women should be willing to accept being legally considered second class citizens whose rights take second place to the fertilized egg she MIGHT be carrying!
Feelz the fear!!

a reply to: dawnstar

You have the preamble of the US Constitution confused with the opening of the Declaration of Independence.

a reply to: Salander

Then, I ain't the only one...
But, thank you for affirming my aging memory of what I was taught in school!

a reply to: dawnstar

Not to worry, the words are so inspiring it's a common error.

Nobody is going to take away abortion rights, we women won't allow that, it's our bodies and no one can tell us what to do!
Abortion not available in your state? Go to the next state, not to worry, mankind is not going to go backwards and take our rights away, the protests would be deafening.
What I AM saying is that ALL our rights are going to go out the window, and the United States will be nothing more than a Third World Country full of poverty and misery, overwhelmed by the lazies and 'entitled'.

a reply to: RonnieJersey

Why is it easier in the conservative mind for poor mom of a pregnant 11 year old to get her child out of state to prevent her from becoming a mother than it is for an adult to change jobs if they don't like the companies covid policy??
And, oh it is,so easy for a women experiencing a miscarriage to get out of that hospital bed and drive to another state that will allow the doctors to expedite the miscarriage instead of letting her lay there and suffer till she either delivers the premature baby that is not viable, loses enough blood to endanger her life, of becomes septic.

You think the women won't stand for it? Ok.. think that there is enough unity for the women from each state to pick one day out of the week to do a weekly strike? They can go to rallies, they most certainly take care of their children if they have to, but don't show up for work, don't cook the family meal, no sex... go to a rally, fix the picnic basket and take the kids to the park, or just sit home and enjoy a book or hobby. Can we make the country a hodgepodge of business shutdowns because some states have a mass of women on strike on monday while others on Tuesday, Wednesday, thursday, friday...
Just so when people start complaining about not being able to get their big mac's or starbucks.. we can tell them, oh, you can still get it, just drive 100 miles north to the next state.

a reply to: dawnstar

Why is it easier in the conservative mind for poor mom of a pregnant 11 year old to get her child out of state to prevent her from becoming a mother than it is for an adult to change jobs if they don't like the companies covid policy??

Like the case of the 11 year old, the conservative minds that believe such are few and far between.
You are taking the the very, very few and applying it to the many, again.

a reply to: Quadrivium

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In 2016 there were 2200 babies born to 10-14 year olds in the US.
How many were in texas, don't know... didn't bother looking that hard.
How many more would there have been if abortion was blocked to them? Don't know... if they let texas law stand though we might get a better idea.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Quadrivium

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In 2016 there were 2200 babies born to 10-14 year olds in the US.
How many were in texas, don't know... didn't bother looking that hard.
How many more would there have been if abortion was blocked to them? Don't know... if they let texas law stand though we might get a better idea.

I am confused, are you upset that they chose to have their babies instead of aborting them?
There were 3,941,109 babies born, in the US, in 2016.
You are still taking the few and applying it to the many.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I don't understand your question.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

It's "being" a human embryo.

You both HAVE to deny that the baby in the womb is a human being.
You are denying science, very simple biology, yet you still have to.
You can not admit it is a human being, if you did you would then have to admit that killing the baby in the womb is murder.
*mur·der
noun
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
Both of you have mentioned my morality and/or religion, yet I present facts while you present FEELINGS and BELIEFS.
Childish and immature.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
You both HAVE to deny that the baby in the womb is a human being.

An embryo is not a baby.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Quadrivium
You both HAVE to deny that the baby in the womb is a human being.

An embryo is not a baby.

An embryo is a human being.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
An embryo is a human being.

No, it's an embryo, which is why that word is used.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Quadrivium
An embryo is a human being.

No, it's an embryo, which is why that word is used.

The word "embryo" is used as the term to describe an early stage of a human beings life cycle. Just as the words "adolescent" and "old person" are used.
It is not a cow embryo, a squirrel embryo or anything other than a human embryo.

a reply to: Quadrivium

Wrong, it's a term used to describe an early stage of fetal development and doesn't strictly apply to homo sapiens.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Quadrivium


Wrong, it's a term used to describe an early stage of fetal development and doesn't strictly apply to homo sapiens.

*The terms embryo and fetus both refer to the developing baby inside the mother’s womb (uterus).

*The distinction between embryo and fetus is made based on gestational age.

*An embryo is the early stage of human development in which organs are critical body structures are formed.

*An embryo is termed a fetus beginning in the 11th week of pregnancy, which is the 9th week of development after fertilization of the egg.

*A zygote is a single-celled organism resulting from a fertilized egg. The zygote divides to become a ball of cells that eventually implants in the wall of the uterus.

*This ball of cells, known as a blastocyst, develops into the embryo and placenta.

*Doctors date pregnancy from the first day of the last menstrual period.

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