How Old Do You Have To Be Before You Get Your Constitutional Rights.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Quadrivium

Oh.. so they should discuss it BEFORE they have sex, BEFORE they knew that conception at this time could possibly kill her. But, once they had sex, she agreed to the possibility that a pregnancy could kill her so she shouldn't expect medical intervention if that possibility becomes a reality?
I will just mention again...
Rittenhouse knew full well he was driving into a hostile situation, that what he was doing was risky...
The courts recognized his right to self defense.
Women have that same right protected under the constitution. If you decide to jump out of an airplane without checking your parachute, you took a risky act.. but if you live long enough to make it to the hospital, they ain't gonna deny you medical care because of your stupidity!! Wimen have that same right to medical care regardless of what her previous actions were also.

Oh would you stop with the whataboutisms?
Life evidently doesn't mean that much to you anyway.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

it clearly makes a difference between a fetus and a person

Human life cycle.....
It also makes a difference between an adolescent an an adult.
Should we kill adolescents as well?

That is how it works because you cannot even admit that you're against all abortions regardless of the circumstances.

You are wrong. I never stated such or implied such.
I really thought you were better than just making stuff up.
Must be all the feelz you have because you can't debate against simple science.

a reply to: Quadrivium
Oh.. a personal insult...
You don't know me, you don't know what I value, what I don't.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Quadrivium
Oh.. a personal insult...
You don't know me, you don't know what I value, what I don't.

Oh?
You don't mind condemning 60+ million children to death as long as the other (less than) 1% can die as well.
You have stated such.
It was not a "personal insult", it is what you have been arguing for this entire time..
So, yes, I do know.
You value a woman's choice to kill a child. Yet, in 99% of cases, she freely made the choice to help create said child.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
Should we kill adolescents as well?

Depends on the circumstances.

You are wrong. I never stated such or implied such.

No, I'm correct, go ahead, say it, 'rape victims should be able to get an abortion'. You can't do it.

a reply to: Quadrivium

If it is such a small number...
Why not include an exemption for minor under the age of consent instead of forcing young rape victims into motherhood??
Why not make a clear exemption protecting the life and health of the mother?
Why force pregnant women to carry her doomed fetus that has little chance of survival for hours days, months which oftentimes poses a danger to her health and life?
If it's such a small. Insignificant number?
Because by preventing women to get that needed medical care if she needs it...
You are placing the rights of that fetus above all of the rights a women has, including her life, even when it's established that the fetus will have 0 chance of surviving after birth.
That isn't acceptable, I am sorry and you can come up with as many lame brained arguments to justify it as you want. It won't change the fact that it is unacceptable.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Depends on the circumstances.

A perfectly healthy adolescent that you decide you no longer want.

No, I'm correct, go ahead, say it, 'rape victims should be able to get an abortion'. You can't do it.

Depends on the circumstances.

a reply to: Quadrivium

You can kill them in self defense though, can't you?

a reply to: dawnstar

If it is such a small number...
Why not include an exemption for minor under the age of consent instead of forcing young rape victims into motherhood?

I never once said there shouldn't be an exemption or anything about forcing rape victims into motherhood.
What I keep repeating is that you, like others, are using the very, very few to justify the many.

Why not make a clear exemption protecting the life and health of the mother?
Why force pregnant women to carry her doomed fetus that has little chance of survival for hours days, months which oftentimes poses a danger to her health and life?

Again, I never claimed such. The closest I came was to say it was a discussion the mother and father should have.
He helped create the child. His opinion should atleast be heard.

You are placing the rights of that fetus above all of the rights a women has, including her life, even when it's established that the fetus will have 0 chance of surviving after birth.

Once again, you are wrong, I never made any such claim.
You are letting your feelings get ahead of your reading comprehension.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
A perfectly healthy adolescent that you decide you no longer want.

No, and I don't think anyone else would say they would either.

Depends on the circumstances.

The circumstances of the rape? WTF are you on about? Rape is rape. But I noticed you still couldn't say the magic words.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Quadrivium

You can kill them in self defense though, can't you?

I know you don't value life but wouldn't you rather try and subdue them? Maybe ge them some help?

a reply to: Quadrivium
What I am doing is pointing out some pretty big flaws that exist in both the texas and to a lesser extent maybe, the mississippi laws.
Flaws that should have made them automatcally thrown out of the court. Instead, the texas law is allowed to be enforced...
The rights of the fetus has held above the rights of the woman whose body is playing incubator for it. Even her right to life itself. You can take your feelz spiel and stick it where the sun don't shine! How many of those who are cheering on these laws were also cheering on the mob at the capitol as the were assaulting and practically killing the police there because they feelz that the evil liberals are gonna destroy their country if their choice of president isn't installed? Hang mike pence!!! Ya, kill, kill, kill!
How many store clerks and resturant workers have been assaulted, how many killed because you people feelz a fear of a mask or vaccine?
How many threads are there now on ATS trying to provoke an unreasonable amount of fear of china and russia and trying to divert that fear over to the liberals? Like, what do yous want us to do? Start a war with china and russia, bomb them, kill them, kill, kill. Kill.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The circumstances of the rape? WTF are you on about? Rape is rape. But I noticed you still couldn't say the magic words.

You know so very little about this topic, how and why do you feel the need to comment on it?
First you claim that an embryo is not a human being, now this.....
Simply put, it depends on the circumstances.
Many women that are victims of rape never get pregnant.
Those that do, depending on the circumstances, may or may not decide to terminate the pregnancy.
If she chooses to do so, that is her choice as she did not have a choice in the act that created the child.

Now can you admit that an embryo is a human being?

a reply to: Quadrivium
Me, personally? It is,all downhill for me now..
I would probably just let them kill me if I couldn't talk them out of it. But, if they were threatening my sons... they would have to kill me because I would be beating their head again and again with my cane. And when that broke and I thought it might be possible, I would be trying to stab them with it. They have a life in front of them.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
You know so very little about this topic...

LOL, funny coming from the person who can't even articulate a stance without being asked numerous times. Mine is clear and I don't have to play word games to cover up my extremism.

Now can you admit that an embryo is a human being?

No, because it isn't.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

LOL, funny coming from the person who can't even articulate a stance without being asked numerous times.

Because I didn't have to. You were using a false dichotomy to try and prove your point.
Now you are just being childish.

No, because it isn't.

Sure it is but you can't admit it.
My question is why?
It is a stage in the human life cycle.
If it is not a human being, what is it?
It has it's own unique DNA.
What is it?
You can't answer with ANYTHING other than a smart-ass comment because you can't admit it is a human being.
As I said, childish.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
Because I didn't have to.

More like couldn't.

It is a stage in the human life cycle.

So is a zygote but those aren't people either.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Quadrivium
Because I didn't have to.

More like couldn't.

It is a stage in the human life cycle.

So is a zygote but those aren't people either.

Yet, I did.


What make one a "people" and one not?

originally posted by: Quadrivium
What make one a "people" and one not?

The ability to live outside of the womb.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Quadrivium
What make one a "people" and one not?

The ability to live outside of the womb.

Ahhh...
There it is.
Like pulling eyeteeth... .

Why does that make them any less of a human being?