Truthbomb: Doctor McCullough Joe Rogan podcast was just released

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Acknt
a reply to: chr0naut


"Like have you heard the snake-oil guys say about how Ivermectin is 'cheap'? It has never been cheap. It is one of the more expensive medicines, even for veterinary use, and 'a course of it' is way more expensive than three doses of the Pfizer vax. Check out the prices for yourself

What are you talking about? It costs $168 USD for 1,000 12 mg ivermectin pills.

do you need me to do the math for you???!!!!

We are talking $3.38 US for an average 89.8 KG America to be given 5 days of Ivermectin at 0.5 mg/kg

the Pfizer vaccine costs what, about 23.15? X3 = 69.45

so not 10x , but but mote than 20x more expensive.

You said that a course of Ivermectin costs more than 3 rounds of the Pfizer vaccine.

not even comparable.

Just to be clear, All I'm saying is this bull# about Ivermectin being expensive is propaganda that you bought, chewed up and spat out here for the rest of people who might be stupid enough to go check the goodrx.com price of Ivermectin.

Ivermectin is available to be ordered for $168 per 1,000 12 mg pills.

What human being could require, or would ever be prescribed with, 1,000 ivermectin tablets?

Here's a couple links to sites that supply ivermectin, for human use. Check the prices:

Ivermectin Prices, Coupons and Patient Assistance Programs - Drugs.com

IvermectinFDA Alert
Generic Soolantra, Stromectol - GoodRx

Why would you think that I suggested that anybody would need 1000 pills of Ivermectin? I'm telling you the price per 1000 12 mg pills($168 usd) because you're saying that Ivermectin is expensive and that there's a conspiracy going on when people say that it's cheap. It's so not true. Ivermectin is cheap, I was providing the price per 1000 12 mg pills (which is $168 USD) I never said that somebody should take 1000 pills, that's insane. (Do you actually not know how to read or do you do this on purpose?)

I am actually shocked that you said "What human would require 1000 ivermectin pills" NOBODY would say that, and its clear that I was saying how much 1000 pills cost - NOT that somebody should take 1000 pills.

I clearly stated that an average 89.8 kg man would need 0.5 mg per kg. Per day. (Which is less than 5 pills) I broke all of that down very clearly. In fact a lot clearer than in this mesaage.

I clearly explained the PRICE of 1000 tablets as to refute your claims about it being expensive (which is $168 USD for 1000 12 mg.pills)

I have been on the two sites you provided for pricing LONG before today, they're the first sites that come up on Google when you search Ivermectin Prices. That's not the best price you can get AT ALL, those prices are stupidly marked up. Those are literally marked up prices. The price I already told you is what any reasonable doctor would spend on it, they'd order it wholesale- not buy it marked up.


You also said that one round of Ivermectin is more expensive than 3 covid vaccines and I simply showed you how much it costs for a 5 day treatment of Ivermectin which was under $4 Which is way cheaper than 3 shots.


Go to India mart and see how much Ivermectin costs, you'll get a sense of how much Ivermectin costs instead of relying on the marked up price.

I already told you how much it costs though. But go there for yourself and see, and then look up their distribution capabilities.


It feels pointless to reply to you considering somehow you couldn't understand my last Message, please, read it again, I never suggested anybody should take 1000 Ivermectin pills, I shared THE PRICE of 1000 12 mg ivermectin pills.

the prices your sharing are INSANE. Like I said I already seen those websites months ago, its a bull# mark up that's NOT how much Ivermectin costs from a distributor

$168 USD for 1000 12 mg pill is how much it costs from a distributor.

When saying 'ivermectin is expensive" you can't ignore the price of buying it wholesale.

You don't buy from the most expensive distributor. All you did was provide an expensive distributor. Anybody can mark up the price of medication.

go to India.mart and you can buy it at the prices I am talking about. They are the biggest pharmaceutical distributor in India


I honestly don't understand how you could misinterpret my last post so awfully.

those prices are a laughing joke

go to India.mart and take 30 seconds to do a price conversion. Doctors have been ordering from India mart for a very long time, they are a mass distributor

I realize that it might be hard for you to do the price conversion from rupees to USD but here
m.indiamart.com...

see if you can wrap your head around the prices.

We have been buying drugs overseas for decades there's nothing new or strange about it.

I already said in my last Message that your repeating bull# propaganda prices and that anybody who's too stupid to realize otherwise is going to go to Google and look at ivermectin prices on goodrx.com and think that your're right ...and what did you do? You literally sent goodrx.com's price. Ignoring the fact that I already acknowledged that it's overpriced on that site. It's like you didn't read my message AT ALL. You copy and pasted Google top results for ivermectin prices, including goodrx.com when I already acknowledged that its That's overpriced there. That's EXACTLY what I meant, anybody who's stupid enough to type 'ivermectin prices' into Google and go with the top few results will get exactly what you got, the most expensive prices.


The sad thing here is that you're going to ignore that Ivermectin is cheaper than the shots, you're going to ignore that it's not expensive, you're going to hide behind the prices on the sites that fit your narrative. You don't just get to pick the most expensive source for something and claim that it's expensive so that it fits your narrative. That's exactly what you just did, you 100% ignored my last post and changed my words around instead of acknowledging what I was actually saying -which is that ivermectin is not expensive, and costs less than the shot.

the most expensive price isn't the final price, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You literally used the website that I told you only a stupid person would reference for prices (goodrx.com)

You can't just say somethings expensive and ignore competitor prices.

and can't just twist my words around to pretend I suggested somebody should take 1000 pills when all I was doing was showing you the cost of 1000 pills.

of course you just ignored the cheap price that I shared and pretended I said somebody should take 1000 pills. Your're not even worth replying to, you couldn't even understand my very simple message last time. Please read it again.

a reply to: chr0naut

Hey ... starred you Chro, because I enjoy your contributions to ATS, and you always get everyone thinking, which is never a bad thing

I am a M.D. by training. I very much respect a good number of non-MD practitioners, as they tend to do a better job thinking 'outside the box'. Currently thinking outside the box means much more than a boilerplate standard medical training, IMHO.

I can't say anything about other coronaviruses, because before COVID-19, they were pretty insignificant unless a patient was 'at death's door', in a manner of saying.

This information is my own, for what it s worth.

The MSM is untrustworthy for sure, like you say, and internet sources are give or take, and it takes some personal education to even help decide which ones are even worthy of reading.

Yes, it is always good to get a second opinion. ALWAYS. Of all the doctors with whom I work, about 20-30% can think independently, and the rest just follow whatever administration / mainstream (censored) science articles tell them. Another confounding factor is that medical education isn't what it once was: now they are training doctors to check boxes and fill out forms, more than actual 'hands-on' patient related clinical work. We all suffer for that!

originally posted by: Fowlerstoad
a reply to: chr0naut

Hey ... starred you Chro, because I enjoy your contributions to ATS, and you always get everyone thinking, which is never a bad thing

I am a M.D. by training. I very much respect a good number of non-MD practitioners, as they tend to do a better job thinking 'outside the box'. Currently thinking outside the box means much more than a boilerplate standard medical training, IMHO.

I can't say anything about other coronaviruses, because before COVID-19, they were pretty insignificant unless a patient was 'at death's door', in a manner of saying.

This information is my own, for what it s worth.

The MSM is untrustworthy for sure, like you say, and internet sources are give or take, and it takes some personal education to even help decide which ones are even worthy of reading.

Yes, it is always good to get a second opinion. ALWAYS. Of all the doctors with whom I work, about 20-30% can think independently, and the rest just follow whatever administration / mainstream (censored) science articles tell them. Another confounding factor is that medical education isn't what it once was: now they are training doctors to check boxes and fill out forms, more than actual 'hands-on' patient related clinical work. We all suffer for that!

Cheers, I just have a fairly skeptical view and there's definitely a lot of misinformation (from all viewpoints) at the moment.

The thing is, once we used to be able to trust certain information sources as being reasonably credible, yet now trust has eroded to the point that even anonymous sources with their own obvious agendas are evaluated to be as credible.

And it isn't related to evidential provenance, but rather, is more related to the suspicion that everyone is trying to deceive us, all the time. Even from a rational standpoint, that cannot be the case.

Spam

originally posted by: chr0naut
in reply to: v1rtu0s0

-snipped the rest of your snip, because... well, it is snip...

Additionally, the doctor has claimed that asymptomatic COVID-19 does not happen. It is part of the basis of his allegations. Just about everyone knows of people who have tested positive, multiple times, but without symptoms.

Ummm... noooooo, he said asymptomatic spread doesn't happen. Jeesh...

But please, don't stop, I truly enjoy seeing you embarrass yourself so badly, time and time again. It is truly hilarious, and I need the laughter, now more t han ever.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Salander

My understanding is the amount of Ivermectin that would have to be consumed to affect the COVID 19 pathogen in any sort of averse way would be dangerous to humans.

You are, unsurprisingly, woefully uninformed, as usual.

Then again im simply pointing out what some people are doing that people are misusing Ivermectin in numerous different forms.

Some people do strange things, like launch bottle rockets from their arse.

There is no cure for stupid.

That said, there is a form of veterinarian ivermectin that is perfectly safe for human consumption if dosed correctly, but yes, some forms have additives that are absolutely not safe for humans.

You are free to choose to introduce what ever you wish in to your body all the same, just like everyone else.

Do you also believe that we are (or should be) free to choose to not introduce something we do not wish to introduce?

But don't expect any self respecting Doctor to prescribe medication for purposes not intended.

Because that's simply not how they operate.

Ummm... you are yet again unsurprisingly, woefully uninformed, as usual. This is called 'off-label' use, and Doctors do it all of the time, and in fact is is standard practice.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: iwanttobelieve70

Ivermectin isn't an antiviral.

Science begs to differ.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
in reply to: v1rtu0s0

-snipped the rest of your snip, because... well, it is snip...

Additionally, the doctor has claimed that asymptomatic COVID-19 does not happen. It is part of the basis of his allegations. Just about everyone knows of people who have tested positive, multiple times, but without symptoms.

Ummm... noooooo, he said asymptomatic spread doesn't happen. Jeesh...

But please, don't stop, I truly enjoy seeing you embarrass yourself so badly, time and time again. It is truly hilarious, and I need the laughter, now more than ever.

But asymptomatic spread does happen. There are known cases of it.

In New Zealand, we had someone who was asymptomatic (day zero swab test) and in quarantine with the Delta strain, and the person/s who were infected from them, outside open doors and across a hallway to the quarantine room, were only exposed for between 3 to 5 seconds.

Cov id-19: Delta transmission at Auckland's Jet Park MIQ hotel via opening of doors

And we know that simple vocalization, talking, singing, or shouting, can aerosolize sufficient for transmission of the virus similar to coughing or sneezing. Not only that but talking produces smaller aerosol and evaporated particle sizes on average, and that remain suspended longer:

Evolution of spray and aerosol from respiratory releases: theoretical estimates for insight on viral transmission - Proceedings of the Royal Society

... also inappropriate laughter, at things that aren't comic, could be indicative of the onset of dementia:

Compulsive And Inappropriate Laughing Disorders

originally posted by: chr0naut
in reply to: tanstaafl

But asymptomatic spread does happen. There are known cases of it.

No, there aren't, but you'll go on believing the lies...

In New Zealand, we had someone who was asymptomatic (day zero swab test) and in quarantine with the Delta strain, and the person/s who were infected from them, outside open doors and across a hallway to the quarantine room, were only exposed for between 3 to 5 seconds.

Rotflmao!!!

And you know this for a fact because... someone told you so?

Does it hurt to be you?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
in reply to: tanstaafl

But asymptomatic spread does happen. There are known cases of it.

No, there aren't, but you'll go on believing the lies...

In New Zealand, we had someone who was asymptomatic (day zero swab test) and in quarantine with the Delta strain, and the person/s who were infected from them, outside open doors and across a hallway to the quarantine room, were only exposed for between 3 to 5 seconds.

Rotflmao!!!

And you know this for a fact because... someone told you so?

Does it hurt to be you?

Most people gain knowledge through sources external to themselves.

Just making stuff up does not cut it.

Analysis of Asymptomatic and Presymptomatic Transmission in SARS-CoV-2 Outbreak, Germany, 2020

Transmission frequency of COVID-19 through pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic patients in AJK: a report of 201 cases

Do asymptomatic carriers of SARS-COV-2 transmit the virus?

originally posted by: rickymouse
YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE GOOD PEOPLE WORKING IN THE LOWER RANKS OF THE PHARMA COMPANY WHO COULD COME UP WITH A BETTER VACCINE THAT DOES NOT HAVE SO MANY SIDE EFFECTS.

Oops, cap lock was on and I did not even look at it before posting.

Yeah, sleep, water, soup if possible... eventually the appetite kicks in to overdrive. And after 24-48 hours you can probably, stand, walk on your own... find the bathroom light and a toilet.

I have a pretty big family that spans out to 3 households; various races, sex, drastic age differences 2-3 yr Olds 6, 12, then 8 adults from mid 30s to 60 yr Olds. Everyone has some sort of health issue but nothing life-threatening. About half of us got vaccinated... made absolutely no difference. No hospital treatments. Just sleep, hydrate, eventually eat and walk. 24-48 hours.

All this medicinal mumbo jumbo is like... water cooler talk at an old folks home where half of the stuff people spewing is ignored and the other half forgotten the second we leave threads like these.

The only real thing you can rely on is your immune system and digestive tract. Hospitals are great guidance for insecure people trying to find their spot in the ground. (even they will ultimately put your fate in your immune system and digestive tract's hands).

originally posted by: chr0naut
in reply to: tanstaafl
Most people gain knowledge through sources external to themselves.

Just making stuff up does not cut it.

So, why post links to junk that is made up?

Analysis of Asymptomatic and Presymptomatic Transmission in SARS-CoV-2 Outbreak, Germany, 2020

So, an epidemiological study (basically worthless) from a bunch of liars (CDC) with a whole lot of biased authors/undertakers (pun intended)...

Nope.

Transmission frequency of COVID-19 through pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic patients in AJK: a report of 201 cases

Same-same.

Do asymptomatic carriers of SARS-COV-2 transmit the virus?

Lancet? The one that published the fake study claiming HCQ was useless, then retracted it when called out on it?

As I say to you quite often it seems...

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

He is still promoting hydroxychloroquine as a COVID-19 treatment, even above that of ivermectin. Both of which have now proven ineffective against COVID-19.

Wrong.
Studies were done on patients who were at the end hydroxychloroquin and ivermectin are to be used earlier in the diagnosis.
You see it would be like giving a covid-19 patient on a ventilator the vaccine and when he dies you conclude the vaccines don't work(they don't anyway).


a reply to: chr0naut

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
in reply to: tanstaafl
Most people gain knowledge through sources external to themselves.

Just making stuff up does not cut it.

So, why post links to junk that is made up?

Analysis of Asymptomatic and Presymptomatic Transmission in SARS-CoV-2 Outbreak, Germany, 2020

So, an epidemiological study (basically worthless) from a bunch of liars (CDC) with a whole lot of biased authors/undertakers (pun intended)...

Nope.

The paper is primarily from scientists affiliated with the German Robert Koch Institute. The CDC are reporting/republishing it.

Transmission frequency of COVID-19 through pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic patients in AJK: a report of 201 cases

Same-same.

Except not. The studies were carried out in Pakistan and the American publisher is a highly regarded publisher of peer reviewed scientific papers.

Do asymptomatic carriers of SARS-COV-2 transmit the virus?

Lancet? The one that published the fake study claiming HCQ was useless, then retracted it when called out on it?

Yes.

If the Lancet was in the position of of publishing inaccuracies and lies, they would not have retracted an article because it did not meet academic standards.

As I say to you quite often it seems...

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

As I have pointed out, hysterical laughter at something that is not humorous could be indicative of the onset of dementia.

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

He is still promoting hydroxychloroquine as a COVID-19 treatment, even above that of ivermectin. Both of which have now proven ineffective against COVID-19.

Wrong.
Studies were done on patients who were at the end hydroxychloroquin and ivermectin are to be used earlier in the diagnosis.
You see it would be like giving a covid-19 patient on a ventilator the vaccine and when he dies you conclude the vaccines don't work(they don't anyway).

a reply to: chr0naut

Both the Indian and Brazilian governments initially committed to campaigns of supply of Ivermectin and HQC for treatment of COVID-19. Neither government is recommending it any more because it proved to be ineffective.

Major study of ivermectin, the anti-vaccine crowd’s latest COVID drug, finds ‘no effect whatsoever’ (Brazilian study)

Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, other drugs dropped from new COVID-19 guidelines (India)

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

He is still promoting hydroxychloroquine as a COVID-19 treatment, even above that of ivermectin. Both of which have now proven ineffective against COVID-19.

Also, no one is blocking the monoclonal antibody treatments. That was what Trump received when he was hospitalized with COVID-19, and the FDA has granted EUA approval for several different monoclonal antibody treatments for COVID-19.

Interestingly, only 7 days after the EUA was granted for the first anti-COVID-19 vaccine on 11 Dec, there were claims of bells palsy and syncope reactions to the vaccine. Yet at that stage, very few had been vaccinated at all (e.g: on the 14th December 2020, no-one at all had yet been vaccinated in the US, yet 3 days later, there were claims of numerous adverse reactions in the media).

Wrong, all of those treatments have different degrees of efficacy, but work. He explains exactly how a shell company was created to fund fake studies against HCQ, and then disapeared. Ivermectin may be better, but there are numerous drugs that can help, like fluvoxamine, ivermectin, quercetin, almost any zinc ionophore.

c19hcq.com...

Two years into the crisis and not a single early treatment protocol from any institution, just a single minded goal to vaccinate people for eternity while the most vaccinated countries are experiencing record case rates. A massive ageinda, yes.

c19hcq.com...

The Brazilian and Indian governments were actually promoting and distributing Z-Packs, HQC, and Ivermectin. Now, a few months down the track, they have stopped, and their respective health authorities have ruled them as ineffective and dangerous. Why might that be? Their people were expecting and hopeful that they would work. Their government was committed to them, but in practice, they were worse than useless.

Like have you heard the snake-oil guys say about how Ivermectin is 'cheap'? It has never been cheap. It is one of the more expensive medicines, even for veterinary use, and 'a course of it' is way more expensive than three doses of the Pfizer vax. Check out the prices for yourself!

Even if they are useless, it is disinfo to say they are dangerous. Hydroxychloroquine is an old standard for malaria and is commonly given to people who have rheumatoid arthritis and lupus. The only danger I've heard of is it can trigger glaucoma but most arthritis patients know this and get eyes tested routinely. Ivermectin is also a standard and both of them are super common in hot climates. Used properly they are not dangerous.

As to price, are you kidding? I've got a bottle of cattle injectable. $90 canadian two years ago and it will treat lots of cows so hardly breaking the bank if you divide that up into human dose values. I have the pour on stuff too that I use way more often on my rabbits at one drop per 2lbs... again super affordable and each bottle designed to treat a bunch of large animals. It might be cost prohibitive to the poor in other countries but certainly not here in north america. A tube of horse paste, costs something like 20$-25$ canadian and treats a 1000lb animal. That's dirt cheap.

originally posted by: igloo

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

He is still promoting hydroxychloroquine as a COVID-19 treatment, even above that of ivermectin. Both of which have now proven ineffective against COVID-19.

Also, no one is blocking the monoclonal antibody treatments. That was what Trump received when he was hospitalized with COVID-19, and the FDA has granted EUA approval for several different monoclonal antibody treatments for COVID-19.

Interestingly, only 7 days after the EUA was granted for the first anti-COVID-19 vaccine on 11 Dec, there were claims of bells palsy and syncope reactions to the vaccine. Yet at that stage, very few had been vaccinated at all (e.g: on the 14th December 2020, no-one at all had yet been vaccinated in the US, yet 3 days later, there were claims of numerous adverse reactions in the media).

Wrong, all of those treatments have different degrees of efficacy, but work. He explains exactly how a shell company was created to fund fake studies against HCQ, and then disapeared. Ivermectin may be better, but there are numerous drugs that can help, like fluvoxamine, ivermectin, quercetin, almost any zinc ionophore.

c19hcq.com...

Two years into the crisis and not a single early treatment protocol from any institution, just a single minded goal to vaccinate people for eternity while the most vaccinated countries are experiencing record case rates. A massive ageinda, yes.

c19hcq.com...

The Brazilian and Indian governments were actually promoting and distributing Z-Packs, HQC, and Ivermectin. Now, a few months down the track, they have stopped, and their respective health authorities have ruled them as ineffective and dangerous. Why might that be? Their people were expecting and hopeful that they would work. Their government was committed to them, but in practice, they were worse than useless.

Like have you heard the snake-oil guys say about how Ivermectin is 'cheap'? It has never been cheap. It is one of the more expensive medicines, even for veterinary use, and 'a course of it' is way more expensive than three doses of the Pfizer vax. Check out the prices for yourself!

Even if they are useless, it is disinfo to say they are dangerous. Hydroxychloroquine is an old standard for malaria and is commonly given to people who have rheumatoid arthritis and lupus. The only danger I've heard of is it can trigger glaucoma but most arthritis patients know this and get eyes tested routinely. Ivermectin is also a standard and both of them are super common in hot climates. Used properly they are not dangerous.

As to price, are you kidding? I've got a bottle of cattle injectable. $90 canadian two years ago and it will treat lots of cows so hardly breaking the bank if you divide that up into human dose values. I have the pour on stuff too that I use way more often on my rabbits at one drop per 2lbs... again super affordable and each bottle designed to treat a bunch of large animals. It might be cost prohibitive to the poor in other countries but certainly not here in north america. A tube of horse paste, costs something like 20$-25$ canadian and treats a 1000lb animal. That's dirt cheap.

Any and all medicines can have serious side effects. They can be overdosed on. They can have serious adverse effects in combination with other substances and medicines. They can adversely affect people suffering from various conditions.

The statement that a medicine is completely benign in all circumstances is usually a sure indication that someone is lying.

Risks of Hydroxychloroquine

Serious adverse reactions associated with ivermectin: A systematic pharmacovigilance study in sub-Saharan Africa and in the rest of the World