The Ancient Egyptian Stones Were Perfectly Precise How is this Possible? Many Qs Little Answers

originally posted by: Skyman65
a reply to: Harte

Hooke, Harte, Byrd, Seagull and the rest of your lot.

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Just let it go, let the dreamers dream. Educate those willing to listen, and ignore those who aren't, rather than filling pages upon pages with back and forth thrown at people who aren't receptive to your ideas being shoved down their throats.

You might have a better time here; www.abovetopsecret.com...

Have a look at some features...

www.touregypt.net...


The interior features are all easily replicated, if we wanted to, unlike the main structure, which we cannot replicate, no matter how much we'd like to, or be able to.

So nothing humans cannot build or replicate, on the inside, while nothing humans can build on the outside, or main structure, is an important distinction, that shows two builders, or more. First was the Nephelim, and later on, humans.

And again, the interior is crude, not precise, like the main structure is, showing different builders.

Not being able to replicate the Pyramid, means OTHERS had to build it. Others with far greater strength, and size, are the ONLY way it could have been built, and those were the Nephelim, the great giants who once ruled Earth, until the great flood wiped them out. That's why these monoliths cannot be replicated, or many cannot, and why there are NO records of who built them, HOW they built them, and what happened to them. It all fits perfectly.

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Harte
a reply to: turbonium1
The entrances and interiors were covered over and sealed shut.
You might as well complain about how unfinished your wall looks after you rip out a piece of sheetrock.

Harte

There's parts of the original work, which show how crude it is compared to the main structure. Any more excuses?

Inside your gypsum wallboard is also original work which is very crude compared to the main structure you're in.

Maybe you should give some examples of what you're referring to rather than simply stating unfounded claims.

Harte

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Harte
a reply to: turbonium1
The entrances and interiors were covered over and sealed shut.
You might as well complain about how unfinished your wall looks after you rip out a piece of sheetrock.

Harte

There's parts of the original work, which show how crude it is compared to the main structure. Any more excuses?

Inside your gypsum wallboard is also original work which is very crude compared to the main structure you're in.

Maybe you should give some examples of what you're referring to rather than simply stating unfounded claims.

Harte

I HAVE posted a source with many examples of it, so why not read my post, and look at the link, before you spout any more nonsense. And then we can continue, if you wish..

originally posted by: turbonium1

I HAVE posted a source with many examples of it, so why not read my post, and look at the link, before you spout any more nonsense. And then we can continue, if you wish..

No, you linked to Tour Egypt, which features several pics of the interior, along with one pic of the exterior.

I believe I already told you the pyramids were sealed. There was no "entering" them meant to occur.
Just like behind your wallboard.

Every pic at the Tour Egypt page depicts a part of the Great Pyramid that was never meant to be seen when finished. Even the pic of the exterior.

Do you get what I'm telling you yet?

Harte

a reply to: turbonium1

Pretty much everything that you've said can be debunked using basic knowledge of the pyramids themselves, for example:

The giants built the pyramids, NOT entrances, or corridors, built later on, BY humans, that's what confuses people about who built them.

Obviously, the entrances and corridors were done later on, after it was built. The ACTUAL builders of these pyramids, were the Nephelim, and those who butchered it later on, the Pharoahs, who stole the gold from the capstone, for their tombs, inside of it.

The ceilings in the corridors and chambers of pyramids are made from large stone blocks that are wider than the corridors and chambers themselves. They can only have been put in place during construction because they had to be lowered in place before the blocks above them were added. Which means that they are original features that were planned from the very start of the construction process.

The entrances aren't crud, they're simply not ornate. They were built using the exact same techniques as the rest of the pyramid using stone form the same quarries and displaying the same tool marks. They're "simple" because they were originally intended to have been sealed up once the Pharaoh was entombed. Nobody was supposed to use them after that. The fact that they are open now is because they've been re-opened.

The fuel that the Egyptians burned to make light was also carbon rich, which meant that it burns with a sooty flame. Yet the interiors of the pyramids aren't covered with soot. So how did they paint such intricate scenes on the walls in the dark without sooting the place up? Simple, the paintings were done before the ceilings were put in place, they were open to natural light and then covered over when the stone blocks for the layer above were moved in.

Even YOU know the pyramids have been tampered with for thousands of years, by humans, right?

This is actually quite common. There are countless examples of fortifications and temples around the world that were raided for stone by later generations. In Europe there was even the practice of auctioning off doorways and windows, or other ornate features of older buildings in order to raise money for new construction or to pay of debts. We had many ledgers available detailing what was brought and who brought it.

In the case oft he pyramids the outer casement blocks were simply smaller and easier to transport. We actually have evidence in Egypt of entire temples being dismantled to build new temples, or so that hey could be relocated. It's how some temples from one dynasty will seemingly feature columns and so on from much earlier dynasties. They simply reused the materials.

Again, it was already built before humans came along, and butchered into it, afterwards, and put tombs of gold inside.

We actually have the tombs of the architects. The man behind the great pyramid was named Hemiunu, his tombs is close by. It contains reliefs detailing the part that he played, it says that he built the pyramid, not that he found and altered it.

It's clear that it wasn't an earlier building as no records of it exist prior to Hemiunu's birth.

That's what slaves were for - to burrow INTO the pyramids,

We know that they were free men, not slaves because many either owned or rented land. They were farmers for most of the year but when the Nile flooded they labored on the pyramids. We've found the towns and villages that they lived in, including written records of things like the money that they were paid, and when they left the site for holidays or religions observances.

A slave isn't given time off to attend a festival.

originally posted by: turbonium1
Have a look at some features...

www.touregypt.net...


The interior features are all easily replicated, if we wanted to, unlike the main structure, which we cannot replicate, no matter how much we'd like to, or be able to.

It's less about not being able to replicate them, and more about nobody wanting to pay the money required to replicate them. They're expensive to make.

We know that the technology to make them has been replicated by primitive humans because the indigenous people of Mexico did it, as did the people of Cambodia. In fact the Cambodian pyramids are more advanced than the Egyptian ones.

Some of the castles and cathedrals of Europe used almost identical techniques. But were a different shape.

a reply to: turbonium1

If an average human is 5 ft 8 inches tall, or 68 inches, then a giant, 100 times larger, would be 6800 inches tall, or 566.66 feet tall!

Yeah....right.

Soooo, the Egyptian pyramids, the largest is @454 ft. high, were built by giants--supposedly in the neighborhood of 566 ft tall...yet they built a pyramid that was actually smaller--height wise--then the builders were...

Do you realize how silly that is...??

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: AaarghZombies

With stones as hard as granite and only soft bronze tools to work them that would take a serious amount of time!

Time they had in abundance. It's not like they had anything else to do with that time.

As for precision stonework. I'm pretty sure plenty of stones were rejected and reworked for not being up to standard.

No doubt the best stonemasons got the best pay. An incentive to be the best.

shaping stones to have perfectly flat edges is not that hard. If you rub one stone back and forth against another, given enough time, one or both of the stones will eventually become perfectly flat and level.

There are other examples of precision stonework, specifically in Latin America, but also found in various other places around the globe that has stonework that comes in all different shapes and sizes. it's so precise one couldn't slide a cigarettes paper in between the joints. They look almost air-tight. It's incredible work. How did they achieve such precision with primitive tools?. I don't know, but I'll stick by my theory that given enough time and an incentive. Be that good pay or possibly pain of death early humans could achieve great things.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: AaarghZombies

With stones as hard as granite and only soft bronze tools to work them that would take a serious amount of time!

Time they had in abundance. It's not like they had anything else to do with that time.

As for precision stonework. I'm pretty sure plenty of stones were rejected and reworked for not being up to standard.

No doubt the best stonemasons got the best pay. An incentive to be the best.

shaping stones to have perfectly flat edges is not that hard. If you rub one stone back and forth against another, given enough time, one or both of the stones will eventually become perfectly flat and level.

There are other examples of precision stonework, specifically in Latin America, but also found in various other places around the globe that has stonework that comes in all different shapes and sizes. it's so precise one couldn't slide a cigarettes paper in between the joints. They look almost air-tight. It's incredible work. How did they achieve such precision with primitive tools?. I don't know, but I'll stick by my theory that given enough time and an incentive. Be that good pay or possibly pain of death early humans could achieve great things.

Got it in one.

Most Egyptians men were farmers. Or at least this was the single largest thing that Egyptian men did. The Nile would flood once a year which made a lot of land useless for farming. So they needed something else to do during this time in order to feed themselves and their families. This thing was stone masonry.

Or, to put it another way, for substantial periods of the year Egypt had a a large skilled labor force that could be dedicated to quarrying and carving the stones needed for pyramids.

During later dynasties when this labor force had diversified and ws no longer available they build smaller tombs.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: turbonium1

If an average human is 5 ft 8 inches tall, or 68 inches, then a giant, 100 times larger, would be 6800 inches tall, or 566.66 feet tall!

Yeah....right.

Soooo, the Egyptian pyramids, the largest is @454 ft. high, were built by giants--supposedly in the neighborhood of 566 ft tall...yet they built a pyramid that was actually smaller--height wise--then the builders were...

Do you realize how silly that is...??

And made of teensy rooms that they couldn't get their hands into. And without needing giant houses nearby to live in or giant beds or giant pillows and without needing to move every five or six months because they've eaten everything in reach or without leaving giant scat all over the place.

Boggles the mind, it does.

a reply to: Skyman65

It gets kind of repetitive after you've heard the same story at least five times a year for 15 years,

Lets see some real examples of these fantastic claims you make ...

There are sites which put those stacks of limestone to shame. for example en.wikipedia.org...

The top of the superstructure over the sanctuary is 32.6 metres (107 ft) above the level of the court below,[3] although the rock face slopes downwards from the rear of the temple to the front. Archaeologists believe it is made from a single rock.[4]

The Kailasa Temple is notable for its vertical excavation—carvers started at the top of the original rock and excavated downward. The traditional methods were rigidly followed by the master architect which could not have been achieved by excavating from the front.[23]

originally posted by: Skyman65

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: Skyman65
a reply to: Harte

Hooke, Harte, Byrd, Seagull and the rest of your lot.

Sometimes I wonder if you've lost the ability to walk upright. With such big heads and huge puffed up chests you must surely have a time carrying all that weight above the hips.

Your like the teenager that kicks all the toys out of the sandbox and wipes away the roads and mountains the toddlers have built, as in your mind they are stupid and imaginary.

The same time that rips down all the blankets in the living room fort, because obviously it's a parlor, not a play room. You probably also tore down your siblings Lego castles, as they weren't period correct.

Sheesh, give it a rest.

Reality not conforming to your fantasy? Blame others!

Hold on, I'll call the WAAAHmbulance.

originally posted by: Skyman65Some of the greatest breakthroughs and inventions are taken from imaginary ideas, that started as out subjective theorys. Maybe implausible at first, but refined until solid a complete theory emerges (Einstein).

Or maybe refer to a false belief about Einstein...

originally posted by: Skyman65This isn't an accredited college course on ancient architecture, as defined Hooke, Harte,, Byrd, and associates Ltd.

It's a site to discuss people's ideas and speculation. Although some people's ideas or theorys may appear immature, and ignorant to the more institutionally educated crowd. To others they are fun and wonderous theorys that help to relax and dream of "what if”.

Over there last decade you've had the opportunity to have your say. A quick perusal of topics, will show how you feel and what you believe. There is no need to exacerbate an already flooded archive of your self important posts.

Just let it go, let the dreamers dream. Educate those willing to listen, and ignore those who aren't, rather than filling pages upon pages with back and forth thrown at people who aren't receptive to your ideas being shoved down their throats.

You assume the mantle of Great Arbiter of ATS. Perhaps you're unaware of the site's motto: "Deny Ignorance."

Sorry, but no. You don't get to decide what this site is all about.
When you spout ignorance here, it will be denied. Admittedly not as often as it used to be, but as often as we can manage.

Harte

Classic.
Ridicule the poster when you don't agree, check.
Accuse the other of what you're doing, check.

I'll never pretend to try be an "arbitrator of Truth", that would be your mantle.

Yourself and your gang of groupies glide in circles, like vultures ready to gang up on the unwary poster having the audacity to bring up a theory you don't agree with.

It's not so much your subject matter, or your belief. It's the way you'll patronize, ridicule, and outright abuse anyone who dare try to defend their ideas.

How dare a "infidel" propose to have an idea out of the mainstream. Heresy!

As for Einstein. It was well known he used thought experiments to help flesh out his real world math.

There's a very big difference between denying ignorance and showing people evidence VS ridiculing anyone you feel is below you. Of course needing a gaggle of pedantic Groupies to help sooth your ego. What use is it to ridicule without an audience eh?

My hypothesis is that you enjoy belittling those less educated than yourself rather than actually teaching or sharing your knowledge. Psychopathy much?

Ridicule is reserved for those that have been shown, usually more than once, but denied what they saw.
Self-imposed ignorance deserves ridicule.

Harte

originally posted by: Skyman65

How dare a "infidel" propose to have an idea out of the mainstream. Heresy!

Non-mainstream ideas are accepted... the caveat being that you do have to know something about the subject. So... in the case of giants, you have to be able to point out evidence for them in the form of extra-large houses, etc. Links to videos aren't very convincing.

As for Einstein. It was well known he used thought experiments to help flesh out his real world math.

He did -- but he was an expert on the details of the scenarios. He'd trained to be a math teacher (at age 17) and then went on to earn a PhD in mathematics.

It was after that when he began using thought experiments on the concepts of space and time (something that he'd been corresponding with other mathematicians about.

He didn't decide to end his schooling and sit at the patent office dreaming about math. He wrote papers after a lot of academic training on how to do math and how to construct proofs.

There's a very big difference between denying ignorance and showing people evidence VS ridiculing anyone you feel is below you. Of course needing a gaggle of pedantic Groupies to help sooth your ego. What use is it to ridicule without an audience eh?

I invite you to contemplate the irony of this statement.

Now, to return to the topic at hand, the idea of giants building the Giza pyramids is absurd. There weren't thousands of giants on the Giza plateau (everyone in the tombs there is normal sized) and there's no records of races or groups of unusually big people in Egypt.

As to the "giants in the Bible" -- it appears that in at least one case, someone's read a sentence but not the actual chapter.

Here's the relevant stuff from Numbers 13:30-13:13

30And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once, and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it. 31But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we. 32And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. 33And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

In other words, the scouts are afraid that if they get into yet another battle that the people will lose and end up as slaves (or dead.) So they go back and say "can't go there! There's big giants! Run away!" ... and they do.

Mission accomplished.

a reply to: Skyman65

How dare a "infidel" propose to have an idea out of the mainstream. Heresy!

It helps if you can provide something resembling evidence. Y'know, big ass bones attached to other big ass bones--that collectively might add up to...giants.

There is no evidence of giants on the Giza Plateau--or anywhere else, for that matter. There've been attempts to pass of fakes, but they're easily disproven.

a reply to: Harte

[Quote]Self-imposed ignorance deserves ridicule.

I absolutely agree with you here. Any poster who's purposely ignorant and refuses to accept basic reality deserves a little correction here and there.

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-Mike27-
It gets kind of repetitive after you've heard the same story at least five times a year for 15 years,

Lets see some real examples of these fantastic claims you make ...

I understand this all too well myself, however a little tolerance for the uninitiated would go a long way.

I have no examples to give you. I've been a casual study of large Egyptian structures from when I learned to read. After 94' or so with the availability of the internet, lead me to research and study other immense structures around the world.

Oh how many fancy ideas and theories can run through ones mind at an early age, refined and corrected as knowledge grows. Especially with a size of incredible structures found across the world.

Everyone I've called out appears to be well learned and educated on ancient structures and culture. In fact I've learned a lot here on these forums most likely, some from all of you.

My problem doesn't come from the information you share, but in the seemingly arrogant and dismissive attitudes that can be thrown about.

Sometimes your demeanor actually derails the delivery of your information.

I can see where a group could make a sport of teasing and belittling people with fantastical theories and ideas, but wouldn't it be better to subtlely(sp) teach people to learn and research the truth?

Maybe have some sympathy for those whose only exposure to ancient structures and society are found in table top books for conversation (that fool Sitchin), and monetized YouTube clips.

Of course idiots will be idiots, and unfortunately those with a case of schizophrenia de-realism are a lost cause.

It is afterall a forum for discussion and debate, perhaps something positive could come out of it for everyone involved.

(And no, I don't believe a worldwide race of giants built all the pyramids across the Earth with Sonic levitation, in a line, as a power structure, and to guide the mothership home to collect the gold)

And with that I will bow out of the topic, already taking it so far off the tracks it may as well be headed for bfe. My apologies for the interruption.

originally posted by: Skyman65
a reply to: Harte

Self-imposed ignorance deserves ridicule.

I absolutely agree with you here. Any poster who's purposely ignorant and refuses to accept basic reality deserves a little correction here and there.

-Mike27-
It gets kind of repetitive after you've heard the same story at least five times a year for 15 years,

Lets see some real examples of these fantastic claims you make ...

I understand this all too well myself, however a little tolerance for the uninitiated would go a long way.

I believe if you look through the thread, you'd be hard pressed to find me ridiculing anyone in it.

Some people just can't accept that what they believe is actually a fantasy based on lies told to them by con men.
In some cases (like this one,) if you point that out to them, it's your fault and you are "ridiculing" them.

In other words, the existential moment generates butt-hurt.

Harte

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
It's less about not being able to replicate them, and more about nobody wanting to pay the money required to replicate them. They're expensive to make.

We know that the technology to make them has been replicated by primitive humans because the indigenous people of Mexico did it, as did the people of Cambodia. In fact the Cambodian pyramids are more advanced than the Egyptian ones.

Some of the castles and cathedrals of Europe used almost identical techniques. But were a different shape.

They don't need ANY money to draw plans for it, as I said. There's no actual PLAN made for it, that would work, if implemented in the real world.

Money is a lame excuse, it needs no money to draw up plans, and nobody has ever done so.


If we DID build it, we'd certainly have figured out a viable, workable plan for it by now, right?