A Conservative MP Has Been Stabbed While Attending A Constituency Surgery At A Church In Essex.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Another one killed by kindness.
When will governments stop endangering their own citizens just to pretend they are moral people?

Sorry, but that does not make much sense to me? Or anyone, I rather think?

Can you elaborate, please?

Thanks in advance.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Cheers Asktheanimals.

How do you vaccinate an avatar?

Got to be a joke in there somewhere.

Called it, dude was on the terror watch list.

NO way cops get there so fast.

First off, RIP David Amess. This was a horrific act and my deepest sympathies for his family.

But I’m also horrified at the way politicians have flooded the media in abject terror and frothing anger with vociferous calls for protection for MPs - even to have a rare special conference to discuss the safety of MPs…

Why am angry about this?

Only last week an enquiry by MPs into the governments handling of Covid in 2020 found serious errors by Boris and his cabinet, particularly the inexplicable delay in the first lockdown which caused the deaths of tens of thousand that would’ve survived had Boris locked down just a couple a days sooner.

Moreover the enquiry saw those errors as a misguided policy towards herd immunity. A decision was made by Boris to ignore the science community who were calling for lockdown. He instead opted to throw those tens of thousands of lives on the sacrificial pyre of herd immunity, knowing that many would need to die in the course of reaching the herd immunity threshold. That was of course a threshold number based on hope rather than evidence; the primary hope of Boris being to avoid recession… £ > lives!

If this were a business there’d be corporate manslaughter charges to answer for the avoidable deaths of those tens of thousands.


…So where were all these shocked, angered MPs last week, when these damming findings of the enquiry were revealed? Where were the calls for a special enquiry to look into these thousands of avoidable deaths?

Barely a peep out of them save for the token acknowledgements that these thousands of deaths were unfortunate.

Yet, when one of their own die they come out in full force, flooding the airwaves calling for special conferences on the matter, calls to action such as extra police protection. Now this privileged political class come crawling out of the woodwork over the death of one one their own?

I guess we shouldn’t be surprised.

This murder was sickening and horrific for Mr Amess and his family. But how sickening is the political classes reaction to it after being so quiet last week for the tens of thousands of families of those murdered by Boris’ herd immunity policy?


It couldn’t be any clearer that the political class of every colour care only for their own interests. The rest of us are entirely expendable.

a reply to: McGinty


Hindsight is 20/20 ya know. Like ANYONE would have got it perfect.

I would be more concerned why your security services cant track a person the was sent to de-radicalization skool.

a reply to: lakenheath24

Hindsight? Scientists across the U.K. and the world were calling for lockdown weeks before Boris did so. Heck, I was even calling for lockdown right here on ATS weeks before it happened.

The evidence was clear from Italy, with patients on the street because the hospitals were full.

Nothing to do with hindsight and saying it was is rewriting history.

Boris was fully aware of the cost in lives of delaying lockdown. Dominic Cummings is a derided player in that scandal, but his testimonial accusation that Boris delayed lockdown time and again against the advice of his scientists has been borne out by the findings of last weeks enquiry results.

It’s corporate manslaughter, yet MPs only come out fighting when one of their own is killed. That says everything we need to know.

a reply to: McGinty
So you are an expert now? We should have listened to you?

I thought the government was following the science and if so, lets blame the scientists. And how many of the nightingale hospitals got used? And has anyone counted the bodies of those extra suicides or people that have died cuz they couldn't get other needed medical attention? How many businesses have failed and put peeps in the government handout line? Look around you at the price increases and supply chain problems....this is a result of the lockdown. It's a lot more too it than your perfect hindight.

Anyway, this is thread drift.

The stabby perp was known to MI6. Why weren't they watching him? This has happened several times now.

originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: McGinty
So you are an expert now? We should have listened to you?

Indeed not - that was my point, that if even I could comprehend the warnings from all of the scientists calling for lockdown, then so could the PM and the people around him.

originally posted by: lakenheath24
I thought the government was following the science and if so, lets blame the scientists.

How do you know that? Because that’s what Boris said on the telly?

C’mon, we all know better than to believe something must be true because a politician said so.

Did you watch the Dominic Cummings testimony live earlier this year? Seeing soundbites repeated on the MSM doesn’t count as they re-contextualised and changed emphasis away from the focus of the testimony, which was Boris’ culpability. It was heavily misrepresented as Cummings crucifying health minister Matt Hancock, when in fact he was asked almost in passing if Hancock was culpable and Cummings said of course, the man’s an idiot, but that it was Boris who called the shots - that Boris was told by his own scientists to lockdown and he refused and was not ‘following the science’.

Cummings spent 7 hours repeating that Boris was responsible for the thousands of unnecessary deaths, yet the MSM played it like it was 7 hours of Cummings accusing Hancock - the fall guy du jour.

At the time of that testimony Cummings had been vilified by the press and media, so his accusations were taken with a punch of salt as vitriol from someone with an axe to grind. Perhaps there was indeed an element of that in Cummings motive for these accusations, but that didn’t mean they were not true. I’m certainly not defending Cummings, or holding him up as a paragon of truth, however the recent enquiry results confirm his accusations.

That’s someone on the inside saying that Boris ignored the science, killing thousands, as well as an external enquiry coming to the same conclusion. That’s quite the bombshell! Yet, as always there is no accountability. The political class, Left and Right are relatively quiet on the matter. Yet after the death of one of their own they’re not so quiet.

To take an image from Orwell, how hard does big brother need to repeatedly stamp their jackboot on your head before opening your eyes to who’s wearing it?

To say that Boris was following the science is either sarcasm or naivety.

a reply to: McGinty


That Boris is a Buffoon cannot be denied. But what I am saying is that there is another side to the coin...all those opposite effects that I mentioned and more I didn't.

What of those? What's the working class going to look like once things straighten out? What liberties will we all surrender to stay "safe". How many jobs will be lost once furlough ends? There is much more to this whole scenario than Tories this Labour that.

It will take a decade or more to ascertain the true effects of the decisions made....not some hastily written report mere months after the fact.
Most people are far to emotive and biased at the moment to look at the entire picture.

Looking like the piece of crap that murdered Mr Amess father is an ex-adviser to Somali PM.

Don't know if that's shines some light onto the lunatics horrible act of depravity but it may be relevant as to his motive i suppose.

Then again it might just be a small world.

www.lbc.co.uk... 4uKMmgkJyqimj-Hl0

a reply to: lakenheath24

I agree that there’s an agenda to erode liberties and that Covid, by chance or design facilitates that in no small way, as will the repercussion of David Amess’ murder.

But holding MPs and indeed the PM accountable for ignoring the science in favour of finance leading, as he was warned it would, to the deaths of tens of thousands is not helping that agenda to erode liberties. In fact holding the ruling class to account is the only way to fight the erosion of our liberties.

Every scandal that Boris ignores and gets away with would seem to facilitate the next even more brazen attack on liberties and tightening of the screws.

Imo Boris is far from the buffoon he plays - a clever act that helps him avoid difficult questions - it’s his version of fake news, his way of causing confusion when accusations are made. He’s a fully paid up member of the aristocracy - a psychopath in as much as he obviously sees the rest of us as expendable canon fodder.

ETA: I don’t wish to derail this thread, but IMO there’s insight to be drawn from the political class’ reaction to this tragedy. Being unprepared for this event their knee jerk reaction is in stark contrast to that of last weeks damming report results on Boris’ culpability in the deaths of ma y thousands. That subdued, ‘nothing to see here’ reaction would’ve disappeared over the horizon like so many other scandal, allowing many to rewrite history later on if it’s ever referenced.

However, this impromptu event and reaction compares to that of the report very unfavourably for the whole of the political, ruling class, should we bother to pay attention and make those comparisons.

Surely that is the whole point of ATS - to join those dots that others do not notice. In that context I believe discussion of the political class’ reaction to this event is on topic - the topic of every political thread on ATS fundamentally being about the attack on and control of our lives and liberties.

a reply to: McGinty

Boris has said and done enough to sink any previous administration.

Thing is Labour are unelectable in present condition.

Tories can do as they please because realistically and from a political standpoint they simply don't have any competition.

Simple fact of the matter "It's a two horse race and someone stole one of the horses."

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

Yep but it confirms what we already knew , the Islamization of England is in full swing.

Didn't seem to take that long either and I can't see it changing now unless more Brits have more babies and by Brits I mean white, black, mixed race English people... even other Asians, just not Muslims and not those who are in gangs and stuff, just proper intelligent people who can get along.

And something needs to be done about all those who have come over illegally by boat from France... they need to go back to France!

a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

Need proper jobs that pay proper money and someone to stay home to take care of the children if you ever wish to see most people in this nation have more than a couple of kids.

Fact is they are simply to expensive and require attentions that cannot be had if both parents are working there arse off 7 days a week for peanuts.

Only people that can get away with massive families in this day of age are people like Boris who are not quite sure how many kids they have.

And that's down to our government polices.

a reply to: andy06shake

There’s definitely a horse thief on the loose

I’d go a little further and say that Starmer is a stooge, in that he doesn’t intend to get elected, but simply protect tptb while they do some very dirty work on our liberties and the finances of the masses throughout this period.

Imo ‘New Labour’ were never really the Labour Party - they never intended to represent the working classes (which is the fundamental raison d'etre of the Labour Party).

Indeed Blair’s grey to Number 10 in 1997 - his guarantee to get elected - was won by kneeling before the alter of Murdoch and no doubt pledge to protect his assets. Like the Tories, New Labour represented big business, as was finally revealed when they bailed out the banks instead of the people in the financial crises.

When the race is between the Tories and New Labour, whoever gets into Number 10 the corporations win. We’re now back to that paradigm and so for me it’s no surprise that establishment rep Sir Keir Starmer poses no meaningful opposition.

a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

I boggles my mind that people feel sorry for these migrants that somehow have the finances and physical strength to travel thousands of miles, through several countries to get to Calais.

Is it not obvious they are trying to get to the bennies?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

Need proper jobs that pay proper money and someone to stay home to take care of the children if you ever wish to see most people in this nation have more than a couple of kids.

Maybe if the work from home thing lasts, then this will change a little. But yeah, the reasons for the reasons for population growth in some arenas but not others is no secret. As you say, rather than the stick, better opportunities and life balance would help to address this. Though I think the big families need to have fewer kids, rather than the smaller families having more. We need to be in harmony with our res our ex rather than exhausting the whole ecosystem, which currently looks unavoidable in the long run.

a reply to: andy06shake
I know you are very sensitive about race and class issues which I believe is embodied in your avatar: we're all humans regardless of what's on the outside and that is a great thing. My point was how we are being divided by vaccine status which can't be discovered by looking. Slippery slopes of perception based on personal safety during a pandemic are being found everywhere. I hope we can unify as humanity rather than be further divided by such issues.
This is the real danger of social media IMO in that our own validity and sense of self becomes enmeshed in whatever causes we promote or views we espouse. Any serious argument or fact that might invalidate a cause directly becomes invalidation of our sense of self as well as value. This is why we tend to cling so tightly to positions we have taken. I hope I can be honest enough with myself to change my views when facts go counter to them. That's why it's so important to have a place like ATS where we can discuss person to person and get away from the mob mentality of like/dislike. I would also like to thank you and everyone else who have helped me to learn and grow during my time here. So here's to humanity regardless of views.

ATA

a reply to: McGinty


UK has the same problem as the States....no viable third party alternative. And the 2 we all have now are like the WWE....pretend to wrestle on TV, then all go have a beer in the boys club and laugh at the stupid fans.

originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

I boggles my mind that people feel sorry for these migrants that somehow have the finances and physical strength to travel thousands of miles, through several countries to get to Calais.

Is it not obvious they are trying to get to the bennies?

Many of these people would’ve survived some truly horrific crap in their homelands, much caused by our warmongering for control of natural resources. I don’t think we should blame them if their escape is a route facilitated by nations eager to direct them to our shores. If these people are strong enough to survive and escape war, then imo they deserve respect, not scorn. We should direct our questions about ‘why here’ at the power structures, rather than at the migrants and refugees.