A Conservative MP Has Been Stabbed While Attending A Constituency Surgery At A Church In Essex.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

haha got to agree the old Liberals at least knew who they were but they were long before our time with there last government being before the first world war becoming nothing but a traditionalist zombie party until they merged with the equally unpopular social democrats.

Basically it is also my appraisal that they do not know there arse from there head most of the time.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

haha got to agree the old Liberals at least knew who they were but they were long before our time with there last government being before the first world war becoming nothing but a traditionalist zombie party until they merged with the equally unpopular social democrats.

Basically it is also my appraisal that they do not know there arse from there head most of the time.

Yes. But then they had a coalition with Cameron
. Which did not work out too well....

Indeed. Arse, elbow, difference. They never worked that one out.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Oh don't remind me the Con-Dem's something that the majority of there own voters saw as an outright betrayal and was only really because Nick Clegg an untrustworthy former leader of there party also happened to be one of David Cameron's former classmates while he flat out refused to work with Labour despite at the time them politically speaking having far more in common as well as sharing far more voters than the Liberal Dem's do with the Conservative party.

Remember people whom were patently too ill to work being left without power and money to eat, being put onto the streets because of Camerons cruel policy's and then hiding the figures for people committing suicide or dying through poverty which is still going on using the sanctions regime to stop benefit's AND remove them from the statistics because when sanctioned they are deliberately NOT recorded as unemployed even though they have no money coming in at all and so are forced onto the street's - another way of hiding there true numbers as then they don't have a post code.

I remember an elderly couple in Scotland who committed suicide, both too ill to work but not according to the government, they died in the dark with no heating, light or food in there cupboards, a man whom was cut off from society and could not leave his house without panic attacks died of starvation when his benefits were cut off and several others, all due to the DWP and ATOS a private French firm whose owner was a French woman a personal friend of David Cameron brought in to ASSESS the benefit claimants and put the sick off the benefit's and given TARGETS to meet rather than actual moral code to uphold.

Clegg in my mind was completely responsible for allowing and enabling that to happen, Cameron meanwhile was even being called cruel by some of his own party though they were of course a minority among there rank's.

You know I actually think Ed Miliband would have made a great prime minister and he DID have the nations best interests at heart - rather than the bankers.

Before the Sell of of the Council houses we had no homelessness in the country, there were a few tramps whom chose to live on the streets but they were so low in numbers that they did not even have a statistical representation and were a rare and uncommon sight.

Decades later the Condems came to power, benefit's were slashed, people forced onto the street's creating an epidemic of homelessness while eastern Europeans were given priority for what remains of social housing OVER and beyond the responsibility the councils had to our own people because they had to treat them better than they treated our own people to meet EU legislation, Food Bank's formerly something that was seldom used and only a few of them existed as charity's with very few people actually needing them became the go to for Cameron and the conservatives, we won't give you anything to live on, you may become homeless but take this to the food bank and they will give you enough to keep you alive so you can suffer some more and be humiliated as well.

The fact is there were a small percentage of people on the fiddle - mostly middle class - and some drug addicts whom still get benefit's today because they simply can not work but they were used by the likes of Channel 4 and the BBC as part of a propaganda drive to portray benefits claimants as scumbags when in fact by far the vast majority of the sick HAVE worked and are simply ill, by far the vast majority of the benefits claimants were and are genuine and very few of them are bad people just poor, denied decent education in many instances and with no hope and no way out, is it any wonder many of those kid's turned to drugs to try to escape there problems, for me it was book's as a kid but many good kids I used to know ended up on drug's, with criminal records or have since died.

All it takes is a less than one percent tax on the rich, remove the stealth tax on the poor like water meters, council tax (which should still only be rates and is nothing other than pole tax through the back door) and unfair VAT which in fact harms business AND unfairly targets the poor making food and other goods more expensive (which was fine when it was made up for by cost of living benefit's for them).

Over the past thirty years the gap between the wealth and the middle class as increased immensely and between the middle class and the poor it has absolutely skyrocketed.

How much does a young person have to earn to buy a house with any realistic hope of getting out of debt before they reach retirement age?.

(Sorry got lost in my own thoughts and did go on a bit of a Rant this time but not at you just at an ideal but since I typed it shall leave it)

Back to the Man who was murdered though I believe HE was indeed a decent man, there are and have always been good people in all party's.

Take Benjamin Disraeli a European Jew whom came here as a migrant in the 1800's, ended up changing his own religion to Anglican and became the leader of the Conservative party and one of the best prime ministers of his age, he did more for the poor than anyone before or after until Nye Bevin's government came to power including trying to get children out of the coal mines and into education.

It is easy for some to forget and become fixated on the stereotype of the toffy nosed tory but in fact it is just a stereotype, there are poor people that are staunch conservatives and there are rich folk's that are labour voters, yes the TORY's do exist almost as a separate party within the conservatives and often retain control because they represent money and unlike the Labour party which is funded by contributions the Conservative party is funded by Donations from mostly wealthy and often not even British donors whom often want to use the party as an empowered lobby group to push there interests here and on the world stage, this DOES compromise the Tory's there is no if's and no but's but no more than the communist element that tried to destroy labour back in the Militant period of the 80's did to that party.

Hmmm.... a friend sent me these links about Sir David Amess..... I'll just park them here for perusal...
Amess horrified by second lockdown
Amess against mask mandates, says against Civil Liberties
Amess against Vaccine Passports
Wasn't a fan of the pharma industry

This is ATS and if the above links/info hold true he wasn't following 'the plan' was he?

Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: LABTECH767

The memory of Steven Smith springs to mind.



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originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: Ohanka

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: Ohanka
With the way Commissar Patel was speaking yesterday, regarding using the murder as a pretence for further empowering the police and reducing civil liberties even more, it seems the Johnson Government is jumping for joy that this dude got knifed.

Guess you didn't watch the tributes paid to the guy in the House today.

Genuine empathy shown.

Politicians are professional liars and psychopaths. Those who manage to worm themselves into government posts are the worst of all. Guarantee first thing they thought of was "how can we use this to our advantage?"

Never let a good tragedy go to waste, after all.

Not all. The dead guy you are so happily slandering his memory had no ministerial ambitions and led a life of exemplary public service serving his constituents for nearly 40 years.

I'm a bit of a cynic when it comes to politicians, but there are some exceptions. Not many, I'll grant you.

I didn’t slander the fellow. By all accounts he seems the exception to the rule set by others in his line of work. I didn’t say anything about him in fact. I merely lamented that the government was very quick to use his death to further expand police powers and attack rights before the body was even cold.

nae # deserves to be stabbed to death at work

anyway this is what happens as a result

priti patel considering removing online anonymity to prevent online abuse of MP's

so this would suggest that we would no longer be able to openly criticise mp's ?
without fear of being deemed abuse or hate?


so gone would be the days when I can openly call tory MP's dirty thieving #s
so better get as many in now as possible

but all politicians are most likely dirty thieving #s

they are your masters , bow down !

does anyone think maybe people wouldnt be radicalised if we hadnt spent the last 30+ years practicing state sponsored terror on other nations ?

murder is murder, no matter how you justify it , just because its a military super power carrying out military actions doesnt mean that its not murder

maybe the world wouldnt be so stabby if we didnt spend all our wealth on clever ways to kill each other
and invade other nations often on a whim and instead spent all those tax monies on feeding , clothing and educating each other

but nah lets just continue ramping up our military , increasing our wealth gap between corporate powers / government buddies and the people who generate all that wealth.

and lets just all bend over again
dont forget the lube

CCTV footage of the dirty wrong'yin responsible filmed on the morning of the horrendous attack.

a reply to: sapien82

Well "They" are apt to run out of lube rather sharpish.

Should things keep on heading in the direction of travel they are.

Seems to me, we will bend it, take it, anyway they shape it, as long as there is no real opposition to Tory rule.

If you ask me they are a baw hair away from having to bail out the energy companies in a same to similar manner as the bankers back in 2008.

a reply to: sapien82

In one of my earlier posts in this thread I hinted that I thought TPTB would use this murder as an excuse to introduce prohibitive legislation;

But this can not be used as an excuse to introduce more draconian measures or allow MP's to retreat even further from the people they are elected to represent.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It is imperative that we resist attempts to do either.

As for the radicalisation of Muslims;
Sorry mate, I'm sick of making excuses for them.
They choose to carry out acts like this and they deserve nothing but our contempt and we must eradicate these fanatical extremists.
The UK provided a safe haven for this man and his family.
He was educated here and was afforded far more opportunities in life than either you or I my friend.

Enough is simply enough.

a reply to: Freeborn

Fascinating insight into the way the media and government operates.

Very recently there were several commentators using the death of Sarah Everard to spread the blame across the widest group possible ie ALL men.
Neatly sidestepping any focus on the smaller group of Police Men (and the recruitment process thereof ).
Seems like there were plenty of reasons to keep an eye on Couzens as he had demonstrated previous behaviour which should have raised a red flag.
No real reason to blame all other men but those rancid "people" on TV just can't stop expressing their personal hatred.

Now we have another radicalised young man of a specific type and, again, it's a platform to attempt to spread his guilt among a larger group of people, the users of social media.

a reply to: Freeborn

ahh Im not making excuses for them, I think we are all making excuses for humanity though , its not alright for them to carry out terror attacks and murder then its sure as # not alright for us to carry out shock and awe terrror attacks using the strength and resources of an entire coalition of western super powers.

there is no moral high ground there both are as equally wrong.
no matter how you dress it up

the man may have been given opportunities here , but he was obviously either mentally unstable or had been radicalised to carry out these acts of violence.

all that says to me is the entire world is #ed , and the solution isnt more violence

if they are fanatical extremists what are we?
just because we dont cut peoples heads off , that some how makes us morally better
because we still bomb them to death , still invade and kill millions in the process and destablisie nations
and force millions into poverty through war , famine and disease
force millions into fleeing their homelands.

we are just as fanatical if we vote in the system that allows this insanity to carry on decade after decade.

we could have even better lives here in the UK , if we spent less on war , and waging war , we could maybe solve many of the financial problems we have , yet our nations are hell bent on the military and defense and doing "what is right" in policing the world.

and being british and the british military
yes evil triumphs when people stand by and do nothing , and that is exactly what happens when we allow our politiicians to carry out these acts on others. But you know as well as I do its not them doing the deeds
its the young men and women who get into the military who are the ones doing the deeds , and they feel lied to completely when they get home and like many veterans they are cast aside, with psychological damage and end up homeless or on drugs.

I have lots of veterans as friends from different theatres of operation across multiple decades from Vietnam, Falklands, Ireland , Germany , Bosnia , Afghanistan, Iraq , and they all say the same things to me when they are back .

we as a species need to sort this # out , we are just going insane.

politicians arent the answer, and neither is violence

a reply to: sapien82

I'm not trying to either excuse or condone some of the UK's foreign policy decisions over the years.
What we must do is demand better of our decision makers and insist upon accountability for their actions.
That is our responsibility as British people and as human beings.

But we also need a degree of openness and honesty that seems sadly lacking in many quarters regarding Islamic extremism and terrorism.
And that is the brutal, intolerant and fanatical nature of many interpretations of Islam.
Without that most of these terrorist attacks would not happen; that is an undeniable fact.

These brands of Islam feed and breed upon hatred.
They seek to exploit people's weaknesses and fears whilst using the eternal 'your reward is after you die' lie to further their aims.

We allow them a breeding ground to spread their cancerous message....and like a cancer it grows and corrupts everything around it.
We need to treat it like a cancer - cut it out, blast it.....eradicate it without mercy.
Because if we don't it will kill us.

I'm not advocating war against Islam and certainly don't approve of targeting innocent Muslims, the majority of whom are just ordinary folks with the same cares and concerns as you and I.
But this evil needs to stop, now.

And at the same time this country needs to start acting with dignity and respect on the world stage.
We need to defend the oppressed and not be the oppressor.
We have to stop pandering to the Military-Industrial Complex, Big Pharma, Oil companies and multi-national corporations and start putting people first.

Idealistic?
Yes.
Naive?
Probably.

But until we start demanding this - and I don't mean meaningless protests that no-one really gives a # about and only see as a hinderance - nothing will change.

Neither of these things are reliant on the other, but I personally think are imperative.

Just my two penn'orth for what little it means or even matters.

a reply to: Tulpa

There is a rabid anti-men agenda being pushed on our TV screens.

I've just finished 10 days self-isolating after testing positive for Covid and had to endure daytime TV.
The wife had Loose Women on, it should be renamed 'All Men are Bastards'.

Just to play up to the stereotype I ordered her to the bedroom and refused to allow her to watch it in my presence!

Its all part of the woke driven emasculation of the male species.

I could go on, but its not the time or place.

a reply to: Freeborn

My point was about the entrainment methods in media. The target categories are labelled for convenience and not reflective of my opinions.

A woman is murdered... All men are suspect.
A man is murdered....No women are suspect.

A left wing politician is murdered......All right wingers are suspect.
A right wing politician is murdered......No left wingers are suspect.

Someone from group X commits a crime.....We must blame all the X.
Someone from group Z commits a crime.....We must not blame a group for the actions of an individual.

It's the inconsistencies that annoy me most and the expansion/contraction to or from the target category.

You can see the results often in Joe public as they conform their responses to the ones provided for them without thinking.


You have my sympathy for the daytime TV, by the way. Sounds rough.

originally posted by: sapien82
nae # deserves to be stabbed to death at work

anyway this is what happens as a result

priti patel considering removing online anonymity to prevent online abuse of MP's

so this would suggest that we would no longer be able to openly criticise mp's ?
without fear of being deemed abuse or hate?


so gone would be the days when I can openly call tory MP's dirty thieving #s
so better get as many in now as possible

but all politicians are most likely dirty thieving #s

they are your masters , bow down !

You should be allowed to call MP's dirty thieving c#### however, it should be possible to take you to court over it, IMO.
As it stands people have too much protection to slander others if they are in the public eye.
If you have some proof, all well and good, but random accusations without any proof should result in you being held to account.

originally posted by: Tulpa
a reply to: Freeborn

My point was about the entrainment methods in media. The target categories are labelled for convenience and not reflective of my opinions.

A woman is murdered... All men are suspect.
A man is murdered....No women are suspect.

A left wing politician is murdered......All right wingers are suspect.
A right wing politician is murdered......No left wingers are suspect.

Someone from group X commits a crime.....We must blame all the X.
Someone from group Z commits a crime.....We must not blame a group for the actions of an individual.

It's the inconsistencies that annoy me most and the expansion/contraction to or from the target category.

You can see the results often in Joe public as they conform their responses to the ones provided for them without thinking.


You have my sympathy for the daytime TV, by the way. Sounds rough.

I see that you have no actual clue about how UK Police investigations work.

A Conservative MP was murdered. By a Islamist PoS.

There were witnesses. He was arrested at the scene. A knife was recovered.

Why would "left wingers" be suspects, unless you are Police Chief Wiggum or Insp. Clouseau?

Agree about daytime TV, though. It's soul destroying.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I'm referring to the media narrative.
On this occasion, the suspect was apprehended quickly so the speculation didn't really have chance to get into full swing.

Freeborn is absolutely correct about the Islamist angle here. That is a conversation that is long overdue but one which those with the power to change things are determined to dance around.