New Doom Porn Alert....Natural Gas Shortage this Winter

originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: drewlander

Ahh, well that was oil....we are discussing natural gas.

And what is roughly 1/3 of what comes out of an oil well in some basins, like the Bakken for instance?

Natural gas.

They are intertwined a whole lot more than you think.

Slowing down oil production slows down Nat Gas production.

a reply to: RAY1990

Yes, my thoughts exactly.

Reboot of the Dark Winter narrative...

Energy Crisis May Trigger Winter Blackouts Across US: Coal Firm CEO or Epoch Times

The energy crisis that has led to shortages and blackouts in Europe and Asia could hit the United States this winter, said the CEO of an energy firm.

“We’ve actually had discussions with power utilities who are concerned that they simply will have to implement blackouts this winter,” Ernie Thrasher, the head of Xcoal Energy & Resources, was quoted by Bloomberg News as saying. “They don’t see where the fuel is coming from to meet demand.”

“That whole supply chain is stretched beyond its limits,” Thrasher, whose Pennsylvania-based company works in coal logistics, said. “It’s going to be a challenging winter for us here in the United States.”

And regards to goods...

Chaos --> Complexity --> Clarity


It's not that complicated. Infrastructure and manpower is maxed out. In order to bring in new containers, loads must be taken out. Not enough empty containers, truckers, and yard space to accommodate the dramatic increase in demand over the plandemic.

Similar to you I'm more worried about several years from now. The elite globalists work on long timelines, like 10 years versus most people planning weekend to weekend relying on 'Just-in-time' food/fuel/products to meet demand.

a reply to: Lumenari


Because if you read the OP, it is specific to natural gas shortages. More specifically how it is going to affect heating this winter.

Dont think peeps heat their house with 92 octane.

I don't see it being an issue in the US this year. I see it as a future issue if we don't end the progressive liberal stranglehold on real data they hate. The red pills will do wonders for some people. The European situation is much more precarious with the elite wanting to slow down consumption of carbon based fuels come hell or high water.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: drewlander

Ahh, well that was oil....we are discussing natural gas.

And what is roughly 1/3 of what comes out of an oil well in some basins, like the Bakken for instance?

Natural gas.

They are intertwined a whole lot more than you think.

Slowing down oil production slows down Nat Gas production.

I read a few days ago natural gas is up 180%. That means a normally $100 heat bill will now be $280. A lot of people are gonna be shocked.

a reply to: tinker9917

Its 500% here in the UK. Homeowners are protected, but businesses are not..............

originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: drewlander

Ahh, well that was oil....we are discussing natural gas.

Here in Alaska Biden ceased all new land leases and permits for oil AND Nat Gas exploration and drilling on federal land and then tore up a number of the existing leases and permits as well... that's presently in the courts and the early result was that the courts ruled he broke the law so the existing leases and permits were re-instated, but who the hell knows what way the final ruling will go and, more importantly, whether this administration will respect and follow the ruling. So far nothing has indicated any willingness by Biden to abide by rulings that don't go his way.

originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: Lumenari


Because if you read the OP, it is specific to natural gas shortages. More specifically how it is going to affect heating this winter.

Dont think peeps heat their house with 92 octane.

~sigh~

Nat Gas production is tied to oil production.

I typed that slower and used the smallest words I could.

Less oil production equals less Nat Gas production.

Nat Gas (C1 through C5) and oil, gasoline, jet fuel, heating oil, diesel fuel (the remaining hydrocarbons) come from the same damn hole and have to be separated.

Less oil production equals less Nat Gas production.

Still confused?

Read my post a few more times... maybe it will sink in.

We were well on our way to energy independence here in the USA before our current Clown In Chief was PUT in the White House.
Anyone missing “Orange Man Bad” yet?? I do, we are so screwed…..

a reply to: PiratesCut

Take this dissemination of information they are giving us as a cue to start planning ahead.

A lot of folks have no other way to heat their homes without natural gas. If this is you, start planning an alternate heat source, especially if you live up north. You can't just start burning wood (sans an actual fireplace but we covered you don't have that) or using a propane heater in your house. Electric space heaters are okay but you may not have power to run them.

So what happens if natural gas and power goes down or you are in a blackout/brownout period? Get a gas powered generator. A lot of homes in my neck of the woods have the external whole house natural gas generators. If we see a natural gas shortage, boy was that a waste of money. Stick with a gas version, in addition you can take it with you if need be. Do not use this in your garage or in your house for obvious reasons. Chain it to a tree in the back yard, it will garner attention.

The best scenario you can possibly be in is having a fireplace in your home. If you don't have that, start making friends with people that do.

In essence, we are not screwed, take care of the people around you if you are fortunate enough to do so. Take care of yourself and be as self sufficiant as you can be in the climate you live in.

a reply to: EndtheMadnessNow

More automation could ease things and I'm fairly sure that's the long term goal although one size can't fit all in logistics. That said since lockdowns began a few people I know have started working for Amazon, decent pay and working conditions compared to many other logistics based companies, plus they're doing good sign up deals. I imagine similar job opportunities throughout the UK and maybe the world.

Everything is maxed out as you say and it's not like things were rosey before covid. It's always my impression that logistics companies were stretched and often cost managing staff, wages and operational effectiveness.

Honestly covid has had it's benefits, one aspect of humanity we've needed to look at for a while is moving things from point to point, we're extremely wasteful whether it's electricity, water, food or earphones from Amazon. The problem is the solutions are going to be forced on us and like all changes some will win and some will lose... Automation, a couple of years of turbulence and we'll be demanding those job loses.

a reply to: litterbaux

That's problematic in the UK.

They've recently brought out regulations on fuel that can be used on fireplaces, stoves, boilers etc. There's usually rules around fires in general in the UK and ruling is often done by local councils, I've never heard of a lax council so chances are somebody is going to have to jump hoops to have anything installed that complies with the local authorities.

Considering huge swathes of the UK public live in council house estates that aren't heat efficient, no longer have a fire place and are at the behest of their energy suppliers on how they heat their homes I genuinely don't see much option for UK citizens to get on with it and pay your bills. The statistics of people freezing to death in the UK are sad too, when prices rise so will that number.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: lakenheath24

This is interesting as Europe depends on Russia who supplies 35% Europe's gas

And that's where the problem lies , Putin is using our reliance on Russian gas for his own ends , the opening of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline will just make the problem worse as he will have us just where he want's us , compliant and silent for fear of restricted supplies.

I am amazed at your logic. You want more gas, but you don't want additional pipelines to get it, for some political reason. So you are the determinant yourself, do you want more gas, or less gas?
By the way, Russia fulfills all contracts, and even increased gas supplies to Europe this year in excess of contracts by 15%. But Qatar, Norway and the United States significantly reduced their supplies and switched to the Asian market. The prices there are higher and much more profitable. Why Russia should sell surplus gas to Europe, if it can. like Qatar and the USA, sell it to China and Japan at better prices? This is a business.
Europe itself abandoned the system of long-term gas supply contracts and switched to spot supplies and prices. Now Europe is receiving the fruits of its own policies.
And yet, you will already decide whether you need "green energy", or is it gas? Politics or Economics? The life and health of your people, or the liberal Soros dream?

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: drewlander

He didn't shutdown a pipeline. The keystone pipeline is still flowing. What he did was shut down the xl extension of the pipeline. And the oil that would of flowed through that pipeline is that tar sand oil. Which is not suitable for using for fuel. It has uses for things like making bitumen. And fun fact. China invested something like $30 billion into Canadian Tar Sand Oil production. That oil would of went back to China if the pipeline would of been built.

Most Americans don't know that. Also it was going to be shared among other Asian countries.

a reply to: Lumenari


I think you think a bit highly of yourself. There are THREE kinds of natural gas. Conventional, unconventional, and associated.

You are describing associated. I take it you never been to Texas and seen GAS wells? My sister has gas on her property in New York....has the rights to it....but not oil, cuz they aint none....That's conventional.

Here is a link. It has pictures for you in case you didn't understand the words.
www.eia.gov...

originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: Lumenari


I think you think a bit highly of yourself. There are THREE kinds of natural gas. Conventional, unconventional, and associated.

You are describing associated. I take it you never been to Texas and seen GAS wells? My sister has gas on her property in New York....has the rights to it....but not oil, cuz they aint none....That's conventional.

Here is a link. It has pictures for you in case you didn't understand the words.
www.eia.gov...

I imagined you dropping a mic right after posting this.

Good explanation!

I find it odd that they do not allow Joe Biden to talk openly without his handlers having control of the discussion, questions or responses. I am starting to wonder if he knows the current plan / strategy but the dementia causes him to discuss it in public instead of keeping it quiet.

His remarks about voter fraud and dark winter both seem to be pretty accurate. Both were him speaking in a non controlled fashion.

I wonder how many other "predictions" he's inadvertently made that have come true?

a reply to: Imperator2


LOL...Nah. I have put my foot in it too many times on ATS to gloat.

What it does do is make me go research a bit just to make sure I get it right. Even then that can go wrong!


Dude certainly needs a PR team to run interference. I havent seen the dark winter comment....I will look it up.

main reason?
the USA is boycotting and against the North2 pipeline from russia to germany under the mum of the oukrain pipeline issues
just to sell there own gas (super expencive ) shipped to europe by LNG tankers ! the retards!!!!

a reply to: ressiv


Nordstream 2 is more about Germany bulldozing the rest of Europe.

a reply to: RussianTroll

All these chickens are coming home to roost. The joke is there is still plenty of coal in the Rhonda and elsewhere in Britain, but they would rather let people die of cold than use it. The pensioners can eat or stay warm but not both. A few old people slipping away isn't that much of a worry to the Tories, but this winter vast swathes of the Country will be on benefits, nothing like misery to get political change rolling. The British are pretty passive, but once the fire is lit they won't stop.