Question to pro-vaxxers

a reply to: Xtrozero

Group 5: The vaccine is new and addresses a virus with a very high survivability rate. Therefore, better to wait and see if there are any unexpected side effects.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Xtrozero

There are actually 4 groups.

Perhaps you are onto something, given that we, as a society seem to lately embrace the labelling of each other.

I guess we will have to add at least a fifth group: Medical professionals and avid researchers who had done due dilligence via hundreds of hours of research and conclude that the choice should be entirely up to the recipient; that the human immune system appears the only way to confer true immunity, and true immunity appears to be the only avenue to establish herd immunity. Thus, the only way out of this mess is to open up everything, everywhere, and accept the deaths and losses such that the global economy can move forward, and the political chains cast upon us in the name of Covid-19 be loosed.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Mareks and Leaky Vaccines

Another interesting one


I don't want to take these vaccines...but the vaccinated may force it on everyone whether they meant to or not.

originally posted by: TheRedneck

Group 5: The vaccine is new and addresses a virus with a very high survivability rate. Therefore, better to wait and see if there are any unexpected side effects.

TheRedneck

I'll go with that one too. I have said a number of times that no matter how safe the vaccine might be if the virus is minimal to your age group why bother with the vaccine.

Mareks is a chicken disease.

Recent studies show that although the vaccine is leaky mortality amongst vaxxed and unvaxxed chickens combined is lower because the vaxxed chickens although still able to transmit the virus have a far lower viral load.

Chicken farmers continue vaccination in large flocks as it's proven to be better and therefore more profitable to continue with vaccination.



a reply to: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: argentus
a reply to: Xtrozero

There are actually 4 groups.

Perhaps you are onto something, given that we, as a society seem to lately embrace the labelling of each other.

I guess we will have to add at least a fifth group: Medical professionals and avid researchers who had done due dilligence via hundreds of hours of research and conclude that the choice should be entirely up to the recipient; that the human immune system appears the only way to confer true immunity, and true immunity appears to be the only avenue to establish herd immunity. Thus, the only way out of this mess is to open up everything, everywhere, and accept the deaths and losses such that the global economy can move forward, and the political chains cast upon us in the name of Covid-19 be loosed.

We have treated the vaccine incorrectly. We won when 85%+ of the old and high risk got vaccinated and we should have high fived each other with mission success opened the country and moved on into a normal life, but it didn't end there. And that is a true pattern I keep seeing with the left in they start or support something good intentions but it never ends, and goes down some rabbet hole of the truly bad.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

I don't want to take these vaccines...but the vaccinated may force it on everyone whether they meant to or not.

You say the word vaccinated and that is a very wide brush...How do you even know the people pushing the draconian agendas are even vaccinated...lol

a reply to: Xtrozero

Agree. Those in that go beyond offering a medical treatment to mandating it have committed crimes against humanity.

a reply to: Xtrozero

vaccine up front with natural immunity following

Don't work like that, sorry. Any medication weakens the natural immunity. Sometimes medication is needed, but the truth is that the less medication one takes, including vaccines, the stronger one's natural immunity.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
Don't work like that, sorry. Any medication weakens the natural immunity. Sometimes medication is needed, but the truth is that the less medication one takes, including vaccines, the stronger one's natural immunity.

TheRedneck

Well unless the virus kills you first before you get your immunity. That is kind of the issue with the old and high risk.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Well unless the virus kills you first before you get your immunity. That is kind of the issue with the old and high risk.

For many of them, yes. I am 60 years old, however, and have a rather checkered history of heart failure... to date, eight cardiac arrests (heart attacks), one stent, and a quintuple bypass. I am disabled now, due to one wall of my heart not moving enough. My blood flow is therefore too slow for me to do much except at a snail's pace. From everything I have heard, I am "high risk." And I still will not be getting the vaccine, not do I have any expectation that the virus itself can tackle me.

Why? Because I am anti-medicine as much as possible. Until the cardiologist put me on an aspirin regiment, I didn't even take aspirin. Never had a flu shot in my life, and any flu that comes at me is history 24 hours later, assuming it can even slow me down. I've been bitten by the most venomous spider in North America, the brown recluse, twice. The first bite left a small scar on my back; the second went completely away. No doctor needed... I just ran a small fever, knocked off a couple hours early, went to bed, and woke up feeling fine the next day.

I just found out I had a staph infection (from the surgery) for 2-3 years before anyone (including me) realized it! A week of antibiotics and poof! It was gone. I could keep it from getting worse, but apparently couldn't completely kill that one. Must have been a nasty strain.

Heck, the first time I was hospitalized for heart failure, I walked myself to the ambulance while having a heart attack, got on the operating table by myself, and then later walked out of the hospital under my own power. I went about 90 minutes with 100% blockage in my left ascending artery.

The simple truth is that during most of my life, I had to avoid doctors thanks to the high cost. Same with medicine. If some virus came along, I just had to deal with it. If I could gather all the medication I took in my life up to the time the heart attacks started, it would probably fit in a small pouch. That is what builds one's immunity.

Most people today take pills at the drop of a hat. Head hurt? Pop a pill. Stomach ache? Pop a pill. Feeling down? Pop a pill. Can't sleep? Pop a pill. It's become our answer for everything. The typical senior citizen has a medicine cabinet that could pass for a fledgling pharmacy.

I was caretaker for my mother for many years before she died. I was intimately involved with her medication. She ranged somewhere between 15-20 prescription strength medications daily, some as much as three times a day. When I took over the medicine, she was not expected to live another year... I questioned all her doctors about her medications and got a third or so removed. She lasted 4 more years, was happier, and had more energy. Several of her nurses told me that I gave her those extra years by doing what I did... but it wasn't easy! Doctors hate, hate, hate rescinding prescriptions!

So yeah, maybe medicine is required sometimes... and maybe most people don't have my type of immunity. But they could if people had listened to me ten, twenty years earlier. When a mean virus pops its ugly head up, it's too late to decide to build up one's immunity.

Your statement about first taking the vaccine, then building up natural immunity simply won't work. The vaccine, any vaccine, will lower your natural immunity. That's just what they do. It's like putting out a fire by first pouring diesel fuel on it.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: spacedoubt
Face coverings for women, is that not true?
Maybe some minor amount of protection there.

I supposed there will be a pretty big outbreak otherwise.
There will be a shortage of oxygen, hospital beds, doctors and nurses. Just like every other area with low vax rates.

Much like Desantistan , in the US.

Definitely some government mandates of face coverings there, it’s not offering any medical protection. Zero.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
No, it means that people who have gotten it are still getting infected and spreading it. No one disputes that's the reality.

Another 'form' of leakage of concern is the significant number of reports of people who have not had the jab experiencing serious symptoms - including but not limited to spontaneous abortions and blood clots - when simply exposed to someone else who got the jab.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
How do you even know the people pushing the draconian agendas are even vaccinated...lol

I'm sure none of them are, since they actually know what is in some of these jabs.

I say 'some' of the jabs because on top of the fact that likely half are simple saline (placebo - since this is an ongoing trial - you do know that right?), I believe the majority do not have the 'bad' stuff in them.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Xtrozero

vaccine up front with natural immunity following

Don't work like that, sorry. Any medication weakens the natural immunity. Sometimes medication is needed, but the truth is that the less medication one takes, including vaccines, the stronger one's natural immunity.

TheRedneck

Say what? That’s not quite how this all works with immune systems. So incredibly factually inaccurate in fact. Try not to tell everyone you meet this because some of them might just be silly enough to believe it.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Beware, though, of believing the death stats and data about age groups. I just posted about Midazolam use that apparently, (inferred from data and ocmmon sense) is responsible for a lot of the deaths of elderly. Here's some info I pulled off the CDC web site today and these deaths are over 50% elderly people, so the vax is killing more of them than young people.


COVID Vaccinated Death Stats

6968 Total vaccinated deaths Dec 14, 2020 – Aug 23, 2021 source
160 deaths after 2 jabs Dec 14, 2020 – Apr 30, 2021 source
2063 deaths after 2 jabs May 1, 2021 – Aug 23, 2021 source
4745 deaths after 1 jab Dec 14, 2020 – Aug 23, 2021 Source: Math extrapolation (total deaths minus deaths after 2 jabs)


203 COVID-related deaths in USA as of March 19, 2020--the date the USA shut down source

So 203 deaths was enough to shut down our country and release hundreds of child traffickers out of prison, but 6968 deaths isn’t enough to stop the “vaccinations”?

Numbers always make sense; it is the language of absolutes. So, if the narrative isn't following the numbers, lies are being told. WHY?

This might help with your question OP. This was reported in July of this year.

In recent weeks, there's been an exponential rise in cases, even with limited testing. (The Ministry of Public Health reports there's just been over 500,000 tests since the start of the pandemic for a population of about 40 million.)

On June 16, there were 2,313 new cases, which the United Nations reports was "the highest number of new cases [in Afghanistan] recorded in a single day since the onset of the pandemic."

And the United Nations says that nearly half of all people being tested in recent weeks — 42% — are positive for the coronavirus, suggesting it is widespread.

But due to low testing rates and the lack of a national death register, "confirmed cases of and deaths from COVID-19 are likely to be underreported overall in Afghanistan," according to the United Nations.

www.npr.org...

originally posted by: TheRedneck

For many of them, yes. I am 60 years old, however, and have a rather checkered history of heart failure... to date, eight cardiac arrests (heart attacks), one stent, and a quintuple bypass. I am disabled now, due to one wall of my heart not moving enough. My blood flow is therefore too slow for me to do much except at a snail's pace. From everything I have heard, I am "high risk." And I still will not be getting the vaccine, not do I have any expectation that the virus itself can tackle me.

So I'm 61 and in really good health. My secret is a lot of Bourbon and cigars, so that is the secret to good health, see what I did there...lol. I do take Celebrex once a day with my vitamins and a testosterone shot 300mg every two weeks. That is it really.

Why? Because I am anti-medicine as much as possible.

Me too, just had shoulder surgery and stopped using meds by day 2, doctor was like well it will hurt more, and I was like...so. Even in rehab I use the pain as a indicator of how far I should stretch and I'm way ahead of the timeline for recovery. Its not that I am anti-med I just feel I should only use them when I really need them. Also morphine based pain meds do not even work for me at all.

Most people today take pills at the drop of a hat. Head hurt? Pop a pill. Stomach ache? Pop a pill. Feeling down? Pop a pill. Can't sleep? Pop a pill. It's become our answer for everything. The typical senior citizen has a medicine cabinet that could pass for a fledgling pharmacy.

Don't forget all the anti-depressants and other emotional based crap that each have a laundry list of negative effects that make the COVID vaccine look like a vitamin C pill. WTF do people need to be so depressed about. Put them in the streets of Kabel for a little come to depressed meeting...lol

So yeah, maybe medicine is required sometimes... and maybe most people don't have my type of immunity. But they could if people had listened to me ten, twenty years earlier. When a mean virus pops its ugly head up, it's too late to decide to build up one's immunity.

Your statement about first taking the vaccine, then building up natural immunity simply won't work. The vaccine, any vaccine, will lower your natural immunity. That's just what they do. It's like putting out a fire by first pouring diesel fuel on it.

TheRedneck

We are both boomers and lived the boomer life with no seat belts and just a mom's arm bar, 10 kids in the back of a pickup truck, breaking our bikes jumping trashcans, eating dirt as a kid, drinking water out of a hose, so on and so forth.

BUT COVID is no joke for the old and high risk. We see that 15% of the population is accounting for 85%+ of the deaths and severe illness. That is my only point in all this and why the vaccine for that group alone is extremely important to jump start their immune system upfront.

So what is your answer here my friend to let COVID do its thing and carry on? With billions now vaccinated I don't see people dropping like flies, I don't see a lot of old people dying either like they were all over the world in the beginning. That 15% for 85% of the deaths is pretty much world wide so we can't blame all on #ty Governors.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
I'm sure none of them are, since they actually know what is in some of these jabs.

I say 'some' of the jabs because on top of the fact that likely half are simple saline (placebo - since this is an ongoing trial - you do know that right?), I believe the majority do not have the 'bad' stuff in them.

So we need a different term than just saying "pro-vaxxers" want to take away my rights. I'm pro-vaxx and I respect all your rights 100%, as example.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: enjoylife
Taliban enforced ban on all vaccines. They don't wear masks, there is no social distancing and there is literally no healthcare nowadays in Afghanistan.

According to pro-vaxxers logic, Taliban should be killed by COVID-19 in a matter of weeks.

When shall we start witnessing that?

I'm dead serious and want an explanation. Thank you.

Covid only affects those that have TV and internet....

I'd like to see how North Sentinel Island is doing, but I don't think they'd allow anyone in to check.