Question to pro-vaxxers

a reply to: andy06shake

Check Snapchat out and look at the map and the people snapping there aren’t any draconian measures in place lol

Face coverings for women, is that not true?
Maybe some minor amount of protection there.

I supposed there will be a pretty big outbreak otherwise.
There will be a shortage of oxygen, hospital beds, doctors and nurses. Just like every other area with low vax rates.

Much like Desantistan , in the US.

originally posted by: andy06shake
So again what is it you imagine the Taliban know that we don't?

It is not that they know something, its that they just don't care. They are warlords where life is cheap, very cheap. So people get sick and they either get over it with little assistance or they die, it doesn't matter to them. They even view their own lives are cheap.

Also, places like that tend to have stronger people because the weak die out. You are not an Afghani taking insulin daily, as example. The weak is weeded out very early in life, so you end up with people that most likely can handle the virus quite well since they have already lived though all the other stuff already to still be alive.

And you keep calling it a China virus for what i can only assume is racial effect, that's just sad.

Are you Chinese?

I like Kung flu better, my Asian wife likes it too. Also the other 2 billion Asians don't give a crap either, so why do Americans play some races card for other people who don't give a crap about it. I truly love it when the White woke female yells at a Black person about what they should think and do about being Black.

Its a Coronavirus that began in China far as we are aware, that's just geography.

Were you upset when they called it the Spanish flu? The left is who turned it into something racist. Trump called it the China flu early and the left put their hands to their mouths in shock. Trump said, well it came from China what do you want me to call it? Then it instantly was dubbed a racist slur by the left.

BTW the anti-Asian attacks we saw this last year were not conservatives doing it....So maybe the left should own their racism and leave the rest of us out of it.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
Is one to suppose that Taliban is reporting their deaths and illnesses to western media?

I would say less than China does...lol

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

Why wouldn't we? Our entire administration trusts them to provide security for evacuations. Apparently they are on the up and up now!

The scary part is you do not know who is who, one of the officers we worked directly with was Taliban, everyone knew it.

originally posted by: Halfswede

This is a fair clarification ^^. There are those that are fine with it. There are those that are fine with lots of others, but not this one for various reasons, there are those that don't want it for very personal religious reasons, there are those that are so confused by the back and forth and obfuscation of data that they are willing to take their chances regardless of their personal demographic, and there are those that want every single person to be browbeaten, coerced, and even forced to spin that roulette wheel regardless of actual risk given the published "official" numbers and regardless of that person's actual immunity.

Hasn't everything been turned upside down into some far left social justice warrior never ending ad hominem fallacies.

1. Wearing a mask is smart in places that have more people and where you do not know anything about them. Then it became some far left symbol against Trump. They wore them in their cars alone as a symbol, or walking on a trail alone etc., and they even didn't want to take them off when they could because they didn't want to look like those other undesirables...lol

2. Lock downs... Once again was more of a political attack against Trump than anything logical.

3. Now it is the vaccine following the same path....

originally posted by: Nothin

The Taliban has lied to us less than our politicians.
The Taliban has lied to us less than our media.
The Taliban has lied to us less than Big Harma.
The Taliban has lied to us less than the UN and of their poisonous minions.

Hmmmmm.
Maybe you have a point...

I'm not sure if I read what the Taliban's scientists and doctors have said about it all...

a reply to: research100

I think we have a Marek's situation brewing and the writing is on the wall. It's a hard reality to swallow given I am unvaxxed. But I still won't get it. I won't be a party to mass murder.

These vaccines are so ridiculously leaky and dangerous. The vaxxed are going to do us in. I can't believe how many people I know who have this virus, right now, and two died this week -- 1 vaxxed and 1 unvaxxed. 😭

It's too late. The vaxxed will just keep going back for more of this junk. Some will manage to hang on longer, but the vax is a killer.

We have got to start talking about early treatment. But, nooooo..horse dewormer just does one thing and it's just for animals (it's not). Animal studies are ok for vaccines and drug studies though. Or something like that. 😒

Even the vax-loving medical experts are clueing in. I want a chance at natural immunity before the vaxxed brew a superkiller variant.

originally posted by: argentus

There are no "pro-vaxxers" or "anti-vaxxers". Both are a false dichotomy. Nobody is entirely "I never want a jab" or "I always want a jab no matter what." What we have here are two distinct groups. One group has done an extensive amount of medical research and have reached a decision, and they don't give a # if anyone else likes it or not.

The other group has done little if any research, but very much likes being part of the growing consensus, and really really digs the POWER that comes with it, and the ability to persecute people who disagree!!! COOL!! That is SO much fun!!! I've waited for this time ALL my life!!! I LOVE being part of the herd!!! Those nasty uncouth people who disagree must certainly be banjo-plucking, toothless, inbred, unwashed, tobacco-spitting, curl-hat-wearing, redneck gummers of no consequence.

There are actually 4 groups.

Group 1
Believe in the research and see that the data shows the vaccine works, and if you are in a high risk group you better get it. They got the vaccine with little care.

Group 2
Do not believe in the research, evil Big Pharma ideals. Also fear of the unknown big time such as "you do not know what will happen in 3 years if you take the vaccine", but then they might eat horse poop if someone on YouTube said that it helps...lol JKing some

Group 3
You can not tell me what to do!!! I'm American and I wouldn't get the vaccine now even if my life depends on it, hell I'll fight to the death not to get it!!! WTF

Group 4
Wants to hold everyone down including kids and jab them because there is power in it. Same group wants to mask kids and have them walk with their arms crossed with high draconian oversite. 2 WTF WTFs

originally posted by: TheRedneck

I am not interested in what you think I might find. We tried that approach; it has failed. I am interested in what works. Your predictions on my future discoveries be damned.

TheRedneck

Also hasn't Afghanistan been in lockdown for 20 years? There are many people who do not understand that the whole world could go to sh!t tomorrow and life would not change in anyway for a good number of people while the rest of us burn.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Being provac just means a person sees the vaccine as safe and works, that is it.

If that was the only thing that encompasses being pro-vaxx, then I'd have no problem with those pro-vaxxers.

But the vast majority of so-called simple pro-vaxxers go much much further than that.

The ones I have a problem with are those who think it is OK to ostracize or treat differently in any way, shape or form any one who chooses not to vaxx - including but not limited to preventing them from attending schools, or any other group/setting/etc...

originally posted by: tanstaafl

The ones I have a problem with are those who think it is OK to ostracize or treat differently in any way, shape or form any one who chooses not to vaxx - including but not limited to preventing them from attending schools, or any other group/setting/etc...

It seems we have decided to make pro-vaxx into this above, so what do you want to call people who believe the vaccine is safe and works with nothing else attached?

a reply to: tanstaafl

It's because the pro-vaxxers, in this case, insist that everyone get them so their's will work.

The vaccines are leaky AF. Everyone could get them and they are still leaky and will only cause more deadly variants to mutate.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

I think we have a Marek's situation brewing and the writing is on the wall. It's a hard reality to swallow given I am unvaxxed. But I still won't get it. I won't be a party to mass murder.

So what happens lets say in 10 years if everyone isn't dead and mRNA/mDNA turns out to be pretty damn close to the next greatest medical discovery in our history?

I can not believe that 10,000s of very smart people around the world are doing their life's work with evil intent, do you really believe that? Something like the vaccine can be both in it actually works thanks to these amazing researchers and doctors while Big Pharma wants to make money off of it and still others might want to use it as a tool for draconian control in some way.

I really do not want to live a life where I feel everyone is out to get me, that would be one sorry life.....

a reply to: Brit-Tex

Im not 14 mate, Snapchats not my thing so ile need to take your word for it.

Wads of paedophiles in place "Snapchat" wise is there not?

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

The vaccines are leaky AF. Everyone could get them and they are still leaky and will only cause more deadly variants to mutate.

You and others keep saying they are leaky, but I don't think anyone really knows what that means outside of reading something negative about it, so it is more of a label than anything else.

The vast majority of vaccines are leaky. This is mainly because a RNA virus will have variants like crazy no matter what you do. Something like Smallpox is not leaky because it is a DNA based virus and DNA has much better control over reproducing the same over and over. The small pox vaccine is for two variants of smallpox that have developed in the last 30,000 years, as example.

The idea that a leaky vaccine will cause more variants on a RNA virus that will have variants no matter what is really just some anti-vaxx propaganda spew.

Let me ask you a question... Do you think the old and high risk are better off with the vaccine or not. Remember that 15% of the population accounts for 85%+ of the deaths, so 500k out of 600k are these older 15% group. How is their death rate today with damn close to 90% of them are vaccinated?

originally posted by: Xtrozero
It seems we have decided to make pro-vaxx into this above, so what do you want to call people who believe the vaccine is safe and works with nothing else attached?

I would call them fools, privately, but as I said, I'd have zero problem with them, as long as that is all it was..

originally posted by: tanstaafl

I would call them fools, privately, but as I said, I'd have zero problem with them, as long as that is all it was..

I tend to save the fool label for those who are in the high risk category and do not get vaccinated. The rest I just call them ignorant with the understanding that young people really do not need the vaccine due to such a minimal risk it has for them, so even if the vaccine is also minimal why bother.

a reply to: Xtrozero

The vaccine is not going to get less leaky. The boosters are just more of the same. The virus isn't going to mutate back to the original strain.

There are some amazing researchers and doctors...just not the ones pushing this vaccine when they know it's leaky.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

The vaccines are leaky AF. Everyone could get them and they are still leaky and will only cause more deadly variants to mutate.

You and others keep saying they are leaky, but I don't think anyone really knows what that means outside of reading something negative about it, so it is more of a label than anything else.

No, it means that people who have gotten it are still getting infected and spreading it. No one disputes that's the reality.