What we know about Trump's DEAL with the Taliban before leaving office

a reply to: xuenchen

Sure they were, buddy.

originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: xuenchen

Sure they were, buddy.

Well yeah one guy with a funny name even admitted it "at the time" 😃

Sabotage !

a reply to: knoxie

Didn’t Trump ok the release of a bunch of Taliban prisoners including the current leader?

He didn't OK it he requested it.

Baradar was arrested in 2010 in Pakistan but was released from prison in 2018 at the request of former US President Donald Trump's administration so he could participate in peace talks.
news.sky.com...

All part of the Grand Strategy Biden is supposedly responsible for.

Did the GQP delete a bunch of Taliban stuff? You’d think conspiracy theorists would be all over that..

Yep but it's not a conspiracy it's "routine web maintenance"

The RNC deleted a webpage hailing Trump's Taliban deal as fighters swept Afghanistan, but says it was part of routine web maintenance
www.businessinsider.com...

Some may call it airbrushing the past.

PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS CONTINUED TO TAKE THE LEAD IN PEACE TALKS AS HE SIGNED A HISTORIC PEACE AGREEMENT WITH THE TALIBAN IN AFGHANISTAN, WHICH WOULD END AMERICA'S LONGEST WAR

On February 2, 2020, the Trump Administration signed a preliminary peace agreement with the Taliban that sets the stage to end America's longest war.
Under the agreement, the U.S. will withdraw nearly 5,000 troops from the country in 135 days in exchange for a Taliban agreement to not allow Afghanistan to be used for transnational terrorism.
www.businessinsider.com...

a reply to: gortex

Cool, I didn’t realize he requested the release of Taliban prisoners. Wow, you’d think the ATS crowd woulda gone ballistic on that..

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: MykeNukem

There was no 'right plan'. Unless we intended on staying for more than one generation to let the Taliban breed itself out of existence while simultaneously getting a bunch of backwards tribal numpties to accept democracy this whole thing was doomed to failure from October 2001.

Don't be dumb. You're ass-u-me-ing that the goal was 'a peaceful Afghanistan'.

It wasn't. The plan was simply to leave without any US casualties, and Trumps plan would have worked beautifully.

And Joe went and totally #ed it up as badly as it could have possibly been #ed up, leaving tens of thousands of US Citizens at extremely high risk of death/torture/mutilation, etc.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
The plan...

There was no plan, that's the whole problem. Four administrations of either kicking the can or not having a clear goal.

a reply to: knoxie
nah

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: scrounger
yes it was "trumps plan"
but what you seem to be missing or ignoring is the whole situation

he even had a warning in no nonsense language what would happen if they attacked us and broke the agreements made.

Post them and then explain how the Afghani army surrendering breaks those agreements with the Taliban.

sigh

the agreements of actions was (listen closely) WITH THE TALABAN...
that is a separate entity from AFGAN GOVERNMENT

your deflection is piss poor on this point.
along with you seem to miss the lesson almost all 4 YEAR OLDS get from sesame street "one of these things is not like the other"

our getting out did not depend on if afghans were ready or not (hence the deadline) but to have a SAFE ORDERLY WITHDRAWL .. if they fell (as almost everyone even trump suspected) its on them..

try to stay on a point if you can

scrounger

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: scrounger
when you cant defend your party, person, group actions and you run out of excuses/deflections/ect you go with "they are both as bad/ both the same"

They are. Both Democrats and Republicans voted for this war and then continued to fund and support it through four administrations.

technically accurate and totally irrelevant to the point that BIDEN AS COMANDER AND CHIEF OF THE ARMED FORCES totally screwed up the withdraw in almost every conceivable way.

it was and is HIS FAULT.

again you try to blame both parties for THE WITHDRAW F(&(K up...

man you just cant admit your boy the DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT NAMED BIDEN screwed the pooch..

you must try to tie it to trump and republicans...

sad really

scrounger

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: scrounger

WHO IS PRESIDENT / COMMANDER AND CHIEF OF THE ARMED FORCES THAT GAVE THE ORDERS FOR THIS?

it wasnt "both sides/parties"

Trump started it and Biden followed it through so yeah , it was "both sides/parties"

sigh

trump had a plan and until the election this WAS NOT HAPPENING

Biden (listen closely) IS THE PRESIDENT.
He looks at the "plan" and IS RESPONCIBLE FOR EXECUTING IT, CHANGING IT, ECT..
listen closely

TRUMP ISNT PRESIDENT AND DIDNT GIVE ANY ORDERS HOW THIS WAS TO GO..

man you also just cant admit biden BLEW IT...
it has to be trump

btw WHO NAME IS ON THE ORDERS AS COMMANDER AND CHIEF when this happened?

scrounger

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: scrounger

WHO IS PRESIDENT / COMMANDER AND CHIEF OF THE ARMED FORCES THAT GAVE THE ORDERS FOR THIS?

it wasnt "both sides/parties"

Trump started it and Biden followed it through so yeah , it was "both sides/parties"

im sorry but how do you know for sure he was "following trumps plan"

are you a biden insider or aid?

how do you know he used a different one or didnt follow exactly what trump had planned but struck out IMPORTANT things he didnt like?

hmmmmmmm

BTW AGAIN WHO IS PRESIDENT/ COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE ARMED FORCES

who gave the orders?

scrounger

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: network dude

Didn't Trump want a full pull out by May?

This is bigger than US politics and the evacuation was such a blunder# that the coalition left high profile personnel behind.

Thankfully those not-so-terrorists are only killing Afghans apparently... I guess working with warlords for so long had y'all going back on your words that used to mean something.

Negotiations are fun especially with terrorists!

On a realistic note a gradual pullout would've been appreciated whilst enhancing supporting roles via the coalition/NATO and regional allies. It's worth noting that the Taliban are supported by various Afghani (and bordering) warlords. Most of those warlords haven't moved since the first boots hit Afghan soil.

Afghanistan won't unify and in 20 years the only name they'll give a damn about is America. The president is just a figurehead.

It is not that Trump did not want to pull the U.S out. It is how. Trump's plan was to remove all weapons, not leave it all behind so that the taliban who still refused to recognise the Afghan government the weapons to take it over again. Having the Taliban and the afghan government come to a agreement was part of the plan. Its logical as it would have otherwise made the whole presence of us there pointless.

It is Biden's doing. Biden did not remove all weapons. So he pretends to stick to Trumps plan. Thats a first !

But only selectively. He did this on purpose.

originally posted by: Onlyyouknow

originally posted by: everyone
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Here is that headline.

''Biden faces Trump's deadline on Afghanistan troop withdrawal: 'Any way you cut it, we are headed for a messy outcome''.

Funny how Biden had no issues breaking down anything Trump has done and sign most of it away with EO's from day one but he just could not break A deadline that Trump had set for himself. Looking at Trumps plan and actions he would have moved that deadline 100%.

On top of that if Trump had done what biden did here he would have been attacked by the media for it until the end of time.

Trumps fault my a.s

The idiot did move the deadline to September 11th- I am guessing some grand gesture of the anniversary of the attacks
and it would make him look great.

Earlier this year, Mr Biden set a 11 September 2021 goal of withdrawing all US troops. Donald Trump had agreed with the Taliban to pull out US troops by May 2021, but that deadline was pushed back by Mr Biden after he took office in January.

www.bbc.com...

You are right on that but i discount that as the only purpose of that was not to solve this the correct way but to destroy everything. But we obviously already agree on that.

originally posted by: scrounger

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: scrounger

WHO IS PRESIDENT / COMMANDER AND CHIEF OF THE ARMED FORCES THAT GAVE THE ORDERS FOR THIS?

it wasnt "both sides/parties"

Trump started it and Biden followed it through so yeah , it was "both sides/parties"

sigh

trump had a plan and until the election this WAS NOT HAPPENING

Biden (listen closely) IS THE PRESIDENT.
He looks at the "plan" and IS RESPONCIBLE FOR EXECUTING IT, CHANGING IT, ECT..
listen closely

TRUMP ISNT PRESIDENT AND DIDNT GIVE ANY ORDERS HOW THIS WAS TO GO..

man you also just cant admit biden BLEW IT...
it has to be trump

btw WHO NAME IS ON THE ORDERS AS COMMANDER AND CHIEF when this happened?

scrounger

Well said.

I've been leaving this thread alone to see if other folks would heed the call without my provocation.

Well done everyone!

(Obviously not referring to the brainwashed, they failed miserably)



Joe did this.

No amount of deflection, explanation, or blaming of others will change that.

Despite the desperate effort by brainwashed democrats in zombie trance to do just that.

originally posted by: scrounger
our getting out did not depend on if afghans were ready or not (hence the deadline) but to have a SAFE ORDERLY WITHDRAWL .. if they fell (as almost everyone even trump suspected) its on them..

Show me in the agreements where that is indicated.

originally posted by: scrounger
technically accurate and totally irrelevant to the point that BIDEN AS COMANDER AND CHIEF OF THE ARMED FORCES totally screwed up the withdraw in almost every conceivable way.

Who said he didn't botch the withdrawal? I'm saying the withdrawal was predicated on an agreement that was also botched.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: scrounger
our getting out did not depend on if afghans were ready or not (hence the deadline) but to have a SAFE ORDERLY WITHDRAWL .. if they fell (as almost everyone even trump suspected) its on them..

Show me in the agreements where that is indicated.

Don't play dumb.

You know he doesn't have a copy of a secret agreement.

We do however have the words spoken publicly by a U.S. president, a U.S. secretary of state, the Afgani president, and some kind of taliban spokesperson.



What do you have?

Or just popping in to cause trouble?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: scrounger
technically accurate and totally irrelevant to the point that BIDEN AS COMANDER AND CHIEF OF THE ARMED FORCES totally screwed up the withdraw in almost every conceivable way.

Who said he didn't botch the withdrawal? I'm saying the withdrawal was predicated on an agreement that was also botched.

Nonsense.

Joe modified the agreement on his own.

Taliban was pissed and returned the favor.



Keep trying to blame anyone other than joe though.

It won't work, but gives me something to do.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Joe modified the agreement on his own.

Besides moving the out date from May to August what was modified? And if that's your modification good luck explaining how doing this sooner wouldn't have been an even bigger mess.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Don't play dumb.

You know he doesn't have a copy of a secret agreement.

Then how can someone claim to know it was changed? Talk about dumb.