Atlantis seen in the Bible and the Geological Record

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Byrd
Thank you for that help.
I think my theory is not entirely lost, as I was remarking to Andymayhew above. A verbal description of a gradual inundation ("our ancestors had to move from their lands because they got flooded") could be misheard by later generations as a sudden catastrophe.

All the areas with flood myths do have floods (the Inuit, for example, don't have a flood myth... and don't have flooding in their areas as a rule.) So I think it's likely to be inspired by local floods (which are terrifying) but not a single great flood and certainly not spread from culture to culture (unless, as with the Christians and proselytizing) the second culture adopts a lot of the first culture's tales and practices.

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
a reply to: Byrd

based on a collection of artifacts from various shipwrecks in the area.

Ship wrecks that are 7500 years old? I'm sure there are..

If I recall correctly, the oldest artifacts aren't a match with the newer ones. There's bits of pottery there that are very old (7k years or so) but not an indication of a city there from that time period. If you have good (scholarly) evidence to the contrary I would love to see it.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
a reply to: Byrd

based on a collection of artifacts from various shipwrecks in the area.

Ship wrecks that are 7500 years old? I'm sure there are..

If I recall correctly, the oldest artifacts aren't a match with the newer ones. There's bits of pottery there that are very old (7k years or so) but not an indication of a city there from that time period. If you have good (scholarly) evidence to the contrary I would love to see it.

There are so many coming to light it would be hard to go into each site.

One site archeologists are claiming 9000 years old.

Atlit Yam is a Pre-Pottery Neolithic settlement submerged off the Carmel coast of Israel. Atlit Yam is an important archaeological place because the well-preserved finds at the site have provided scientists with helpful information about burial practices of the Pre-Pottery Neolithic society. This is a subject researchers possessed little knowledge about before discovering Atlit Yam.

Many experts have examined the underwater remains of Atlit Yam, and the site has been carbon-dated to be between 9,000 and 8,300 years old.

www.ancientpages.com...



archaeology-world.com...

Ancient Dwarka: Study based on recent underwater archaeological investigations As of 2005. The investigations are continuing.

Dwarka, one of the best-studied underwater sites in India, has commanded much attraction,also because the site is considered as one of the four
Dhamas
(sacred place for pilgrimage) of the Hindu religion. According to ancient Sanskrit literature, the Lord Krishna founded theholy city of Dwarka, which subsequently got submerged under sea. Marine archaeologicalexplorations off Dwarka have brought to light a large number of stone structures, which aresemicircular, rectangular and square in shape in water depth ranging from inter tidal zone to6 m. They are randomly scattered over a vast area. Besides these structures, a large numberof varieties of stone anchors have been noticed along the structures as well as beyond 6 m water depth. These findings suggest that Dwarka was one of the most busy port centresduring the past on the west coast of India. The comparative study of surrounding sitesindicates that the date of the structures of Dwarka may be between Historical period and latemedieval period. The paper reviews the earlier hypothesis about the identification and datingof these structures in light of new evidences from the recent underwater explorations

www.academia.edu...


From the locations of the large building blocks, this site was hit with a tidal wave.. or an equivalent.

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
There are so many coming to light it would be hard to go into each site.

And you've got a Stone Age settlement (small) with a few houses that was lost to the gradual incursion of the sea but is important because it shows an early fishing area (why they're calling it a "mystery" for that video is anyone's guess. Probably to attract clicks and eyeballs)

www.academia.edu...
From the locations of the large building blocks, this site was hit with a tidal wave.. or an equivalent.

Not according to that paper or to any other source on Dwarka. And Dwarka isn't full of large building blocks. It's a town from the early Bronze Age (about 200 BC) www.hindu.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">and is a tourist dive site There's some pictures of the structures at that link, and you can see that it's not "large building blocks"... unless your definition of "large" is "about the size of a human.

My personal definition of "large" is "a tad bigger than my SUV" though I admit that I'm short and lots of things look big to me.

a reply to: Byrd

My personal definition of "large" is "a tad bigger than my SUV" though I admit that I'm short and lots of things look big to me.

Then you agree, the below "Block", is a building block? 20ft long...

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
a reply to: Byrd

My personal definition of "large" is "a tad bigger than my SUV" though I admit that I'm short and lots of things look big to me.

Then you agree, the below "Block", is a building block? 20ft long...

Nope.

I would like to see other photos. The holes around it suggest that it's not a solid block but a house/shed/some modern structure, particularly since it's in a sandy area where sand blows over things and covers them up within a few decades.

I think I have been misunderstood. I'm not literally stating that Noah was from Atlantis. I'm suggesting that the account of the world wide flood was the basis of an Egyptian myth that was transfered to the Greeks. I'm also suggesting that the Earth is not very old.

originally posted by: GolgothaBridge
I think I have been misunderstood. I'm not literally stating that Noah was from Atlantis. I'm suggesting that the account of the world wide flood was the basis of an Egyptian myth that was transfered to the Greeks. I'm also suggesting that the Earth is not very old.

The Egyptians didn't have a flood myth.

There's an attempt to label the Hathor/Sekhmet myth (where she's running around, destroying too many humans so they flood fields with beer and dye it red to make her think that's blood... and she drinks the beer and falls over drunk and sleeps her rage off) but that's not anything like a flood.

The Greeks had myths about three floods; not one. And about the world being destroyed by fire as well.

Your suggestion that the Earth isn't very old doesn't match with any evidence.

No real record of it in the genetic record, though. Unless you want to maybe include the Basques, but I've read their genetic singularity only started a couple thousand years ago, so that would be around 10,000 years off.

But if the Atlanteans were seafarers, per the story, you would expect to find pockets of their genetics all around the Atlantic on the west coast of Africa, north coast of South America, east coast of North America (Clovis?), etc. Maybe there was some left over in the Iroquois natives, but I've not read anything about that.

If there were Atlantean haplotypes, I don't know how long they might last in a population, or if they would never completely fade out.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
a reply to: Byrd

My personal definition of "large" is "a tad bigger than my SUV" though I admit that I'm short and lots of things look big to me.

Then you agree, the below "Block", is a building block? 20ft long...

Nope.

I would like to see other photos. The holes around it suggest that it's not a solid block but a house/shed/some modern structure, particularly since it's in a sandy area where sand blows over things and covers them up within a few decades.

Moving backwards.

Sand does not just cover things up, it also uncovers. This is guided by the wind, most notably the trade winds direction. The "creeping" of sand is like two steps forward, one step back.

Sand is a result of the breakdown of Earth’s crust. Sand is formed over a long period of time by water, wind, gravity, and tectonics, among other forces. Water provides movement of sediment from the beginning of streams and inland areas down through the land. As sediment is transported it becomes more worn. While heavier sediment settles along river banks and streams, lighter sediment gets carried to the ocean. Gravity assists the motion of material down streams, rivers, and cliff sides. The smashing of rocks together causes fragmentation of rocks. Like gravity, wind contributes to the movement of materials in powering waves, currents, and the eroding of surfaces. Fine sand is also transported to various locations by the wind. Plate tectonics work together with gravity and water to push rocks upward and then wear them down. These are some common causes that construct sand but depending on location others may exists, such as animal involvement.

Must of been a lot of water involved in the creation of this sand, in the first place. But, just like the beaches of Hawaii being a result of lava and are exclusive to that area, it is black sand. All depending on the color of the crust that is being degraded. Interesting how all the geological features in this country, Mauritania, are brown or red, but yet this sand is white and light tan. Don't you find this interesting?

What holes? If your talking about the "Dots" going around the block in a circle, those dots are fence posts. There are two blocks, one larger, one smaller. The other objects are bushes, desert trees.

I too would love to see ground level photographs of these objects, but, its going to be tough. Not only are the blocks fenced off, but the entire area is behind fencing, that runs for miles...

Maybe, we can coerce Jimmy Bright Insight to take a drone with him next time he is in this area

originally posted by: Blue Shift
No real record of it in the genetic record, though. Unless you want to maybe include the Basques, but I've read their genetic singularity only started a couple thousand years ago, so that would be around 10,000 years off.

But if the Atlanteans were seafarers, per the story, you would expect to find pockets of their genetics all around the Atlantic on the west coast of Africa, north coast of South America, east coast of North America (Clovis?), etc. Maybe there was some left over in the Iroquois natives, but I've not read anything about that.

If there were Atlantean haplotypes, I don't know how long they might last in a population, or if they would never completely fade out.

The Basque and the Berbers are related via blood type, RH-. I suspect this is the smoking gun that leads back to the "Ringed City".

ADDED: the RH- blood type is on avarage 30-36 thousand years old. It shows up at the same time as dogs, and sheep.

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye

originally posted by: Blue Shift
No real record of it in the genetic record, though. Unless you want to maybe include the Basques, but I've read their genetic singularity only started a couple thousand years ago, so that would be around 10,000 years off.

But if the Atlanteans were seafarers, per the story, you would expect to find pockets of their genetics all around the Atlantic on the west coast of Africa, north coast of South America, east coast of North America (Clovis?), etc. Maybe there was some left over in the Iroquois natives, but I've not read anything about that.

If there were Atlantean haplotypes, I don't know how long they might last in a population, or if they would never completely fade out.

The Basque and the Berbers are related via blood type, RH-. I suspect this is the smoking gun that leads back to the "Ringed City".

ADDED: the RH- blood type is on avarage 30-36 thousand years old. It shows up at the same time as dogs, and sheep.

We're slowly finding ways to get genetic material from older source material. Perhaps additional haplotypes will be found around the Atlantic that might suggest a progenitor civilization in the 13,000 year old range. Have to see. So far, though, there is nothing definitive.

a reply to: Byrd

I'm only going on what Plato says. He said his friend got the story from an Egyptian priest. Now you can say that was part of a fictional Greek story as well.

originally posted by: Blue Shift
No real record of it in the genetic record, though. Unless you want to maybe include the Basques, but I've read their genetic singularity only started a couple thousand years ago, so that would be around 10,000 years off.

But if the Atlanteans were seafarers, per the story, you would expect to find pockets of their genetics all around the Atlantic on the west coast of Africa, north coast of South America, east coast of North America (Clovis?), etc. Maybe there was some left over in the Iroquois natives, but I've not read anything about that.

If there were Atlantean haplotypes, I don't know how long they might last in a population, or if they would never completely fade out.

I'd suggest that in what I'm saying it's the human race as a whole that survived and they Atlantis was a myth explaining a pre flood world.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye

originally posted by: Blue Shift
No real record of it in the genetic record, though. Unless you want to maybe include the Basques, but I've read their genetic singularity only started a couple thousand years ago, so that would be around 10,000 years off.

But if the Atlanteans were seafarers, per the story, you would expect to find pockets of their genetics all around the Atlantic on the west coast of Africa, north coast of South America, east coast of North America (Clovis?), etc. Maybe there was some left over in the Iroquois natives, but I've not read anything about that.

If there were Atlantean haplotypes, I don't know how long they might last in a population, or if they would never completely fade out.

The Basque and the Berbers are related via blood type, RH-. I suspect this is the smoking gun that leads back to the "Ringed City".

ADDED: the RH- blood type is on avarage 30-36 thousand years old. It shows up at the same time as dogs, and sheep.

We're slowly finding ways to get genetic material from older source material. Perhaps additional haplotypes will be found around the Atlantic that might suggest a progenitor civilization in the 13,000 year old range. Have to see. So far, though, there is nothing definitive.

Can genetic studies tell what blood type a body had? As in ancient burial?

a reply to: GolgothaBridge

I'd suggest that in what I'm saying it's the human race as a whole that survived and they Atlantis was a myth explaining a pre flood world.

I agree, many people survived the flood world over. There are just too many cultures that have "stories" about this event. The Bible, and plato are only two.

The discoveries I'm making in Mauritania are reflecting a stone age mentality in the constructions and designs on one level, that being the common man. But on another, they were highly organized. One site shows inhabitant in the 100s of thousands. It is a series of sites looking very stone age, that are all connected by a very well thought out road system. The same type of road used in the vicinity of the Richat. This road system just isn't stone age.

The Story of Atlantis, the allotment, not being the same as the ringed city, does not reflect. The story may have been warped over time into a myth, but the evidence on the ground is solid.

I would say the story is based in some sort of truth that has been altered over the vast time frame. If your being honest, this road system must be considered and accounted for. It is not present day, modern! Some of the sections have never been touched. You can see this road system has been abandon.

a reply to: All Seeing Eye

I do know that the Nephilim appeared again after the flood. Is that evidence that other arks were out there? I've always wondered about that possibility.

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye

There's also the fact that seeing now submerged trees, for example, can inspire stories of sunken kingdoms

Then you have the real sunken Kingdoms.

Ancient cities discovered off the coast of Cambay in India demonstrate remarkable building capabilities of an ancient people using giant granite blocks described to be fit together like sugar cubes. Two sites found date as far back as 7,500 BCE with one turning up pre-Harappan artifacts.

Ancient Dwarka is NOT in the Gulf of Cambay.
Any time you see that statement, just know you're reading at a bullsheet website.
Most of Dwarka sank during medieval times. That's quite easy to prove, by the way.
The site has undergone three inundations, if I remember right. The oldest inundation took out a a small fishing village. The constructions underwater there are ALL medieval. However, it might be that some of the buildings that went down during that era were a few hundred years older.

There IS no sunken city in the Gulf of Cambay (Khambhat.) There IS an old harbor there that filled with silt in historic times.

Harte

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
a reply to: Byrd

based on a collection of artifacts from various shipwrecks in the area.

Ship wrecks that are 7500 years old? I'm sure there are..

A piece of wood. From the bottom of a bay. A bay that receives almost one third of the runoff from the Indian Subcontinent.
And you want to be dazzled because a piece of wood made it to the bottom of a bay.

Harte

a reply to: Harte

Yeah, it sounds like someone may have been watching Ancient Aliens...