Atlantis seen in the Bible and the Geological Record

a reply to: Harte

Who was the first person to observe subduction? Where are the videos of this observation??? No, graphs and misread seismic recordings. Where are the videos?????? Where is the person that made the direct observation????

Not if you refuse to look.

You can't observe something that just isn't there...

This has far more truth in it, than the fairy tale of Subduction...

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
a reply to: Harte

Who was the first person to observe subduction? Where are the videos of this observation??? No, graphs and misread seismic recordings. Where are the videos?????? Where is the person that made the direct observation????

Oh dear.

You want a video of something that takes places deep beneath the ocean-continental boundary at a speed of cms per year? Next you'll be asking for a video of a star forming or of peat turning into coal.

btw I assume since you do not accept the existence of sunduction zones you either a) do not accept the existence of mid oceanic ridges and believe the Atlantic is the same size now as it was a 100 millions ago and/or believe in an constantly expanding Earth? Which may also be hollow (since we cannot see the Mantle or Core how can we possibly know or accept they exist?)

a reply to: AndyMayhew

Next you'll be asking for a video of a star forming or of peat turning into coal.

A Star forming can be "Observed" via a telescope. Peat moss or vegetation can be dug up and examined, "Observed". Theories can then be formulated as to how peat turned to coal. Science starts with the observation, not, the theory!

btw I assume since you do not accept the existence of sunduction zones

We can see the ages of the Atlantic ocean where the youngest ocean bed is next to the Mid Atlantic Rift, and the oldest as you progress towards the continental coat lines. The ocean bed "Grows" from the middle outwards. What we do not "Observe" is the Atlantic Ocean bed having a uniform age. The Mediterranean Sea does generally have the same sea bed age, and is not growing.

If, you revers the Growing of the Atlantic ocean bed, Both the Coastlines of the Americas and Africa would be "Joined". This age differentiation suggests, the Atlantic Ocean bed, expanded. The same is true for the Pacific but in a more complex manner. This, is Science, because it starts with the Observation!

Elementary, my dear Watson

There are indications that the Earth, not only is, but has expanded for some 70-80 million years (The Age zones nearest the coastlines have been merged into one zone 55-140 million years on the charts. So to compensate for this smudging you must split the difference, and it comes out to 85 million years. The original, unaltered charts showed the separate ages). But, a solid planet can not expand. It would be like trying to blow up a balloon that was solid rubber. So the question then becomes, what is inside of our planet that allows it to expand.

We observe Seismic readings that suggest, something, But until we can "Observe" what that something is, its just theory..
The same forces that created the spreading in the Pacific, Atlantic are the same global forces that created Mountain Ranges. If Subduction was real, that force would have never been able to create those mountains. But, We Observe, Mountains.. We do not, and can not observe, what isn't there.

There is a plethora of stories and circumstantial evidence to suggest what is at the center of our world, but, it is not science.

One of those bits of evidence is the following.

A geode (/ˈdʒiːoʊd/; derived from the Greek "γεώδης", meaning "Earth-like")

A hollow rock is like earth?

What did the ancient Greeks know that we, do not........

As far as Science is concerned, the final judgment must wait for an "Observation", Conformation.

"Atlantis seen in the Bible and the Geological Record"
(the "bible genealogy" is missing from this discussion? we will try to tie the bible and geological record together)
(the "bible" includes genealogical statements, and also measurements, that were not used specifically with humanity)

Homosapien Genealogy (Corrected)

***Cain=Removed, Enoch=Removed, Irad, Mehujael=Removed, Methusael=Removed, Lamech=Removed (GENESIS 4)
(GENESIS 4:26) God Counted Adam, Seth, Enos ..............(instead of cain to lamech)

Adam = 130 Years
Seth = 105 Years
Enos = 90 Years
Cainan = 70 Years
Mahalaleel = 65 Years (Jared was Born and NOT COUNTED)

460 Years Total.........40 Years to Noah's 500th Year..........Noah's 600th Year = 40 Days of Flood (A DAY FOR A YEAR 2Peter3:8)
(These are Angels used to mark the Generations of Homosapien to Bless and to Heal)

(These are the Angels used to mark the generations that were put to death, for the Homosapien)

(Jared 162 Years)
Enoch = 65 Years
Methuselah = 187 Years
Lamech = 182 Years

596 Years Total
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(BEST ANSWER)
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About 3000 B.C. Marked the Homosapien Creation (Acts 2:40-41)

460 years Later, around 2654 B.C. The Flood of Noah Took Place
(596 - 460 is about "Adam @ 130 Years to his First Son)
(Noah is seen as a 2nd Adam, the measurement of 596, God measured but it was not a applied measurement)
(God was clear in Genesis 4, that he would not count those measurements, its parable only)

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History has Dated a Deluge Flood around 2300 B.C..................God poured out his mercy for about 350 Years?, after the Flood of Noah, when God repopulated the Homosapiens.............and reduced their affinity to the earth's field (unified field) @ that time, to reduced both their suicide pleasure, and their lack of a will to live in regards to their dead flesh (generational argument, in relation to gospel's tables)..............

(The Gospel records the rebuilding of Jeremiah's Wall, (most likely the wall in jerusalem), by the people (with minor u.field argument), you don't need an ancient civilization to build pyramid like blocks, they were just not as grand as the constructions from the pyramid builders...................today humanity is a corpse since the new testament, in its dead flesh accusation, but "advanced civilizations with the homosapien is a FALLACY", completely untrue, unwarranted, and unsupported by historical ac#s)


God Does not Count or Articulate, every Measurement he provides in the Bible -Advanced Civilization Note* (pyramid builders only)

GENESIS 10:1 Now these [are] the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
(God only Measured the Generations of Shem ............ Ham and Japheth were not measured (Genesis 9:22-23)

(The Generations of Shem, these are the "spiritual successor of or to Noah, in reality GOD GOES FROM NOAH TO ABRAM/ABRAHAM, AND ANSWER THIS WITH THE BIBLE'S PARABLES CONCERNING ABRAHAM (THE HOMOSAPIEN OR AFTER NOAH)

Shem 102 Years = Arphaxad
Arphaxad 35 Years = Salah
Salah 30 Years = Eber
Eber 34 Years = Peleg
201 Years Total(Peleg was not counted, Genesis 10:25)

NOT COUNTED (GOD GOES FROM NOAH TO ABRAM/ABRAHAM FOR THE HOMOSAPIEN, this is parabolic) (only about 300 to 350 Years passed)
Peleg 30 Years = Reu
Reu 32 Years = Serug
Serug 30 Years = Nahor
Nahor 29 Years = Terah
Terah 70 Years = ABRAM
191 Years Total

Difference of 10, for 10,000 B.C. (A DAY FOR 1000 YEARS OF 2PETER3:8) for the Pyramid Builders, for the end of that Covenant
(which by the time of the new testament, there were called apostles, or the "son of man under joseph"

(GOD REMOVES 4 Tribes from the "Book of Life" of the Revelation, those Genetic Lines...........Ephraim/Half Manasseh/Aaron/Genetic Dan...............you should also see those "FOUR" in these statements.............humanity has filled in the blanks with its suicide pleasure, excusing itself from all judgement, when its filthy and hopefully we get RABIES, and that will bring additional truth soon..............humanity can choose to suffer and pass away, or get rid of its dead flesh, either way, humanity is going to die by the time of Halley's Comet 2061 A.D...............this earth and universe is worthless, except for God and his Judgement, and for humanity its been worthless from the beginning, in its suicide pleasures) (humanity has no history, no genealogical record, no archaeological record, except for the one its created out of observances of its suicide pleasures with its genetic decay, its dead flesh and those genetic lines)

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye A Star forming can be "Observed" via a telescope. Peat moss or vegetation can be dug up and examined, "Observed". Theories can then be formulated as to how peat turned to coal. Science starts with the observation, not, the theory!

And with subduction we observe the oceanic trench and volcanic arc, the changes in gravity, the composition of lava from the volcanoes,the pattern of earthquake activity and so on.

You clearly have no understanding of science or how it works and have your own ideas on the Earth and its history which you and only you know to be absolutely true and correct. Just as you and only you can determine the antiquity of desert ruins from a low resolution satellite image. That geologists study the Earth and archaeologists study the ruins and come to a very different conclusion is of no matter because the fact they disagree with you just proves they are wrong.

a reply to: All Seeing Eye

Good stuff!
I’ll give you a hint.
An OP was posted on AO about the very tragic fires on a beautiful Greek Island.
A reply to the OP mentions things like Harp, C-trails etc.
No trolling, no hate, no bad language and no attacks of any kind were made, just opinion and deep sorrow for the islanders.
Poster had NO negative history with any MOD or the site itself and had made hundreds of reply posts over the near 4 years of being a member.
The reply post just poof, disappeared.
No reprimand and no warning was given.
When AO was asked why...silence.
It sure appears political in nature.
You know.....a feelz thing.
Yeah....AO, all set.

If this is a slide I sincerely apologize and feel free to delete!
So please don’t reply to this post because I am in no way trying to slide this thread.
this is a response and a response only. If I am mistaking by writing this I will know better in the future.
Sign me....”learning the ATS ropes“...

Cheers.....😎








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originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye A Star forming can be "Observed" via a telescope. Peat moss or vegetation can be dug up and examined, "Observed". Theories can then be formulated as to how peat turned to coal. Science starts with the observation, not, the theory!

And with subduction we observe the oceanic trench and volcanic arc, the changes in gravity, the composition of lava from the volcanoes,the pattern of earthquake activity and so on.

You clearly have no understanding of science or how it works and have your own ideas on the Earth and its history which you and only you know to be absolutely true and correct. Just as you and only you can determine the antiquity of desert ruins from a low resolution satellite image. That geologists study the Earth and archaeologists study the ruins and come to a very different conclusion is of no matter because the fact they disagree with you just proves they are wrong.

we observe the oceanic trench and volcanic arc, the changes in gravity, the composition of lava from the volcanoes,the pattern of earthquake activity and so on.

Yes those things can be Observed. And it is Assumed the earth must be subducting because of the above. But, all those observations can be explained by other forces at play.

You clearly have no understanding of science or how it works and have your own ideas on the Earth and its history which you and only you know to be absolutely true and correct.

Oh but I do. There are two scientific methods. The oldest and most controlled coming out of the "Royal institute of Science". Going back to the 1700s and highly controlled by the crown, and the Royal institute of hoodwinking box makers. You see, the King, was a box maker. The other is held by independent and honest scientists who value their personal integrity over the crown, who are not "Box Makers".. So, there are two methods. Highly controlled and limited, and the other, free and independent. (It sure appears political in nature. Very political!) You bow to the King, or you bow to the truth!


Just me? Hardly. I'm just a researcher who uncovers inconvenient truths. I did not formulate the Expanding Earth theory, S. Warren Carey did. And after reviewing my research materials and his, I conclude he is far closer to the truth than the crown would allow you to believe. I agree with S. Warren Carey.

Most of us would like to think that fact not dogma governs scientific research. But if
Australian geologist S. Warren Carey is right, dogma and not fact dominates the science of
continental drift. The dogma affirms that the earth's size has remained constant throughout the
planet's history. The facts suggest otherwise. In his book The Expanding Earth (1976), Carey
argues that the earth is doing just that – expanding – and he backs up his thesis with a mountain
of evidence. Carey maintains that earth expansion is the fundamental cause of continental drift.
He therefore rejects Plate Tectonics, the most widely held drift theory, and he is particularly
critical of subduction, a hypothetical process essential to Plate Tectonics but one for which the
evidence is at best equivocal and at worst absent. A basic tenet of current drift theory,
subduction is dismissed by Carey as a myth that exists “only in the minds of its creators.”

www.frontier-knowledge.com...

In short, because there exists ocean bed next to these imaginary subduction zones that are 140 - 208 million years old, would show these zones had subducted nothing in those 140-208 million year old beds, for the last 140-208 million years. The very fact that the beds are this old proves subduction, false.

Dr James Maxlow explains the theory. 30 min.



14 part series covering the Expanding Earth.

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: AndyMayhew

Give me the name of the person who invented "Subduction".......... And I will show you the truth!

The theory was Plagiarized!!!

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
a reply to: AndyMayhew

Give me the name of the person who invented "Subduction".......... And I will show you the truth!

That'd be Mother Nature. Whom some call "God". But I have no idea on which planet in the universe She started it first.

Here on Earth, Hess was the first to propose that, since we could observe "sea floor spreading" occurring, and the Earth had not changed in circumference, then at some places the new oceanic crust must be getting subducted beneath older, lighter, crustal material, perhaps explaining the presence of oceanic trenches.

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye

In short, because there exists ocean bed next to these imaginary subduction zones that are 140 - 208 million years old, would show these zones had subducted nothing in those 140-208 million year old beds, for the last 140-208 million years. The very fact that the beds are this old proves subduction, false.

Even a school kid should be able to see through that fallacy. It simply shows that that particular area of oceanic crust has been spreading for more than 208 million years - we can't say from that data alone how much longer because all the seabed created before 208 million years ago has been subducted.

If subduction does not occur, where are the 300 million year old se beds? Or the 4,500 million year old ones?

originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye

In short, because there exists ocean bed next to these imaginary subduction zones that are 140 - 208 million years old, would show these zones had subducted nothing in those 140-208 million year old beds, for the last 140-208 million years. The very fact that the beds are this old proves subduction, false.

Even a school kid should be able to see through that fallacy. It simply shows that that particular area of oceanic crust has been spreading for more than 208 million years - we can't say from that data alone how much longer because all the seabed created before 208 million years ago has been subducted.

If subduction does not occur, where are the 300 million year old se beds? Or the 4,500 million year old ones?

Because there are none, never were. Study the ocean beds, there were 3 large water bodies that were original when water appeared, originally. The Mediterranean is one of them. The other off the coast of Japan. And the third was off the east coast of North America (This one was split down the middle by the mid Atlantic Rift). We originally did not have the amount of water that is presently here. Compare Ocean bed age with the history of Oxygen content and you can track the "addition" periods of water. Roughly, 85 million years ago is when the additions started. It is the weight of the excess water that is squeezing the crust, overheating, liquefying, causing expansion through the mid ocean rifts. The excess pressure is released by "Mountain Building", "Earth Quakes", and Volcanoes. There are no active volcanoes on Mars, no expansion, because there is no water, no excess water.

That'd be Mother Nature. Whom some call "God". But I have no idea on which planet in the universe She started it first

So, show me the research paper and the person who initiated the theory. Obviously this god did not include subduction as one of the biblical commandments. Show me why subduction is taught in schools as fact.

Study the history of the theory and it comes from the "Royal institute of Science". No one takes credit for the theory, because it was plagiarized from a science paper that was rejected! Rejected, TWICE!!

Ironically, Carey himself conceived of subduction in the late 1940s, years before it
became fashionable. In its wisdom, the American Geophysical Union rejected the paper because
the idea of subduction was considered “naive.” After subduction had become the rage in the
1970s, Carey, by then one of its critics, tried to resubmit his faded manuscript but to no avail.
Once rejected, a paper would not be considered again for publication. A bemused Carey, who
envisioned subduction at a time when few geologists even accepted the idea of continental drift,
no longer believes in subduction. Subduction is superfluous on an expanding earth. Since the
earth's surface area constantly increases, there is no need to offset the production of new crust.
Hence there is no need for subduction.

www.frontier-knowledge.com...

Dr James Maxlow brings out in his lecture that at some point in the future, if this condition is not corrected, the earth will fail. It will start in the ocean beds where the most melting away occurs and become so thin that it looses its integrity and will separate in a cascading manner where one side will rise up and ride over the other, causing the crust to start to disintegrate. Once this starts there will be no way to stop it. Continents will start to rise up and break apart, separate. Ocean water will rush in, causing more imbalance until all integrity of the globe, is lost, and our planet becomes another asteroid belt. I disagree with Dr Maxlow on the type of destruction, but we both agree, it will be the end of mankind.

All thanks to those "Ancient gods", and the box-makers who hide their sins....

AO....yeah, no.

Was there for years, never again.

Their actions now contradict their mission statement IMO

Cheers....

a reply to: All Seeing Eye

originally posted by: PiratesCut
AO....yeah, no.

Was there for years, never again.

Their actions now contradict their mission statement IMO

Cheers....

a reply to: All Seeing Eye

a reply to: PiratesCut

Their actions now contradict their mission statement IMO

Anyone's "Mission Statement" must be able to be flexible as conditions change, but still maintain its primary mission. Look at our world today for frame of reference.

I have read, where millions of years ago the Most Ancient ones when faced with a perplexing question would gain the advice of the "Savants". Where has this changed? The primary problem with this approach is all the false prophets who claim to know far more than what they really do, or, are part of a ancient psysop. And I believe ALL of us are being manipulated by this TRUTH.

Addictions are a very powerful tool in their application. Nothing changes until that tool is defeated, one way, or another. A crack head will still be a crack head even if you take his crack away. Not only self destructive to the addict, but also to his community. Its up to the crack head to defeat his addiction, and the same is true of all addictions. It takes 3 things. Will, time, and patients.

I pray our Divine Creator can assist us in some way.