Atlantis seen in the Bible and the Geological Record

no, not talking about continents, was talking about parts of landmasses. When (vertical) epicontinental seas split the main mass of Laurasia in cretaceous times, and also parts of africa etc.

90 mio y ago

originally posted by: REDMORGAN
a reply to: Harte

Anyone who has read his book Species With Amnesia could tell you that the book review you provided doesn't even accurately describe the assertations in the book. If you had read it you would know that and your opinion might matter.

So you're gonna claim the review was dishonest?

Anyone on this board can use the search terms "Robert Sepehr racist" and read any number of other critiques.
All are dishonest?

I'm thinking either you haven't actually read the book, or you don't read very well.

Harte

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye

originally posted by: REDMORGAN
a reply to: Harte

Anyone who has read his book Species With Amnesia could tell you that the book review you provided doesn't even accurately describe the assertations in the book. If you had read it you would know that and your opinion might matter.

ACK ACK

Ahem, there WERE three links there, you know.
Find me a positive review outside of the Stormfront website.
They, of course, love the guy.

Harte

a reply to: GolgothaBridge

Bible truth? That's an oxymoron if ever I heard one!

The latter part of your OP likely holds more truth than the entire Bible, Old and New Testements combined!

originally posted by: anti72
no, not talking about continents, was talking about parts of landmasses. When (vertical) epicontinental seas split the main mass of Laurasia in cretaceous times, and also parts of africa etc.

90 mio y ago

No, that doesn't work and doesn't jive with Plato.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: anti72
no, not talking about continents, was talking about parts of landmasses. When (vertical) epicontinental seas split the main mass of Laurasia in cretaceous times, and also parts of africa etc.

90 mio y ago

No, that doesn't work and doesn't jive with Plato.

of course it does not fit with Critias, but that would have been an equivalent of a real 'global flood' scenario.
Mankind not yet fully physically incarnated into Hominidae though, but partly spiritually till later times.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: All Seeing Eye
My private theory is that the floods described in Greek myth (Deucalion, Baucis) and also the Biblical flood relate to the event which broke the land barrier and opened up the Black Sea to salt water. Supossedly around the time you mention?

This is correct and there is a ton of evidence to support it.

A O?......LOL
I know of one post that was deleted with no notification and no explanation given when asked, silence.
Check yours.
Are you politically correct in their eyes?
Deleting posts seems to go against the mission statement there.
Ha Ha. IMO it’s just another BS rag.....


a reply to: All Seeing Eye

originally posted by: PiratesCut
A O?......LOL
I know of one post that was deleted with no notification and no explanation given when asked, silence.
Check yours.
Are you politically correct in their eyes?
Deleting posts seems to go against the mission statement there.
Ha Ha. IMO it’s just another BS rag.....


a reply to: All Seeing Eye

You have caught me unprepared.

Over my 20 years of membership at ATS I have seen many things. In the beginning I was a Super Mod, and removed, no reason given. I have had a very few posts deleted, no reason given.

The last post removed was no reason given, but I suspect the reason. Sometimes the reasons are justified, people just being hateful jerks. Excessive personal attacks. Wandering too far off topic in order to derail the subject, etc. There are good sound reasons for the most part.

Over that 20 years I have been able to share many things, and, learn many things. I have made intellectual blunders that were corrected through debate, after all we are all human Beings. I have never been banned outright. I have seen other members banned. But the one thing I have never seen was favoritism for one subject or another. They have all been debated in the open. Well, there are subjects that really should not be breached. For very good reasons. I believe.

If you have a beef, throw it out there and lets see what you have...

The one thing I have seen here is a neutrality when it comes to political sides. With some small exceptions...

originally posted by: anti72
of course it does not fit with Critias, but that would have been an equivalent of a real 'global flood' scenario.
Mankind not yet fully physically incarnated into Hominidae though, but partly spiritually till later times.

At that point, mankind hadn't even separated out from your basic furry mammal. No apes, no monkeys, no primate lineage.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: All Seeing Eye
My private theory is that the floods described in Greek myth (Deucalion, Baucis) and also the Biblical flood relate to the event which broke the land barrier and opened up the Black Sea to salt water. Supossedly around the time you mention?

This is correct and there is a ton of evidence to support it.

Do feel free to present it.

a reply to: Byrd
Setting aside for the moment the question of whether it prompted any legends, what is the current status of the Black Sea deluge hypothesis?

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Byrd
Setting aside for the moment the question of whether it prompted any legends, what is the current status of the Black Sea deluge hypothesis?

Not seen new research lately, but I think the consensus at present is that it was a fairly non-catastrophic event

a reply to: AndyMayhew
Thank you. But it occcurs to me that even a gradual inundation could inspire legends, because of the ambiguity of verbal communication. The tradition "our ancestors had to leave their lands because they got flooded" could evolve for later generations into a catastrophic event.

Like the theory that the unicorn is a European visualisation of someone's verbal description of a charging rhinoceros.

P.S. I can visualise where your kingdom is without having to look it up. I don't suppose many people on ATS could say that. I'm living among the Lindiswara, myself.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: AndyMayhew
Thank you. But it occcurs to me that even a gradual inundation could inspire legends, because of the ambiguity of verbal communication. The tradition "our ancestors had to leave their lands because they got flooded" could evolve for later generations into a catastrophic event.

Like the theory that the unicorn is a European visualisation of someone's verbal description of a charging rhinoceros.

P.S. I can visualise where your kingdom is without having to look it up. I don't suppose many people on ATS could say that. I'm living among the Lindiswara, myself.

There's also the fact that seeing now submerged trees, for example, can inspire stories of sunken kingdoms - Cantre'r Gwaelod off the Welsh coast, for example (I've seen the submerged tree trunks there myself)

The one that intrigues me is Doggerland - not only is it a known sunken landmass, but it's final inundation came after the catastrophic Storegga Tsunami. And yet ...... no legends at all. Not even in Lindsey .... Unless, of course, the Britons who hunted mammoths there called the place Atlantis

There's also the fact that seeing now submerged trees, for example, can inspire stories of sunken kingdoms

Then you have the real sunken Kingdoms.

Ancient cities discovered off the coast of Cambay in India demonstrate remarkable building capabilities of an ancient people using giant granite blocks described to be fit together like sugar cubes. Two sites found date as far back as 7,500 BCE with one turning up pre-Harappan artifacts.

Fifteen miles away, the second site known as the lost ruins of Mahabaliipuram, features a completely different architectural style, lacks any sort of artifacts found as the first, and has not revealed any inscriptions to help identify it. Controversy over both sites dismisses the wooden pieces recovered by dredging and claims the pottery shards do not show any signs of being Harappan and that they must be natural formation otherwise known as geofacts. To some, the underwater images of the sites reveal distinct man-made structures believed to be the ancient cities of Khambhat and Dwarka.

www.mysterypile.com...

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Byrd
Setting aside for the moment the question of whether it prompted any legends, what is the current status of the Black Sea deluge hypothesis?

Last I read on it, it's basically discounted by many because the evidence (diatoms, etc) shows that while there was flooding that it wasn't catastrophic (40 days or so) but more on the order of decades. See Wikipedia for summary

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye

There's also the fact that seeing now submerged trees, for example, can inspire stories of sunken kingdoms

Then you have the real sunken Kingdoms.

Ancient cities discovered off the coast of Cambay in India demonstrate remarkable building capabilities of an ancient people using giant granite blocks described to be fit together like sugar cubes. Two sites found date as far back as 7,500 BCE with one turning up pre-Harappan artifacts.

Fifteen miles away, the second site known as the lost ruins of Mahabaliipuram, features a completely different architectural style, lacks any sort of artifacts found as the first, and has not revealed any inscriptions to help identify it. Controversy over both sites dismisses the wooden pieces recovered by dredging and claims the pottery shards do not show any signs of being Harappan and that they must be natural formation otherwise known as geofacts. To some, the underwater images of the sites reveal distinct man-made structures believed to be the ancient cities of Khambhat and Dwarka.

www.mysterypile.com...

Those aren't real "sunken kingdoms."

The first one is simply basalt fractured along normal bedding planes (seriously... what kind of city has buildings with no doors and no rooms and no windows?) And the second one is, as part of your remarks indicate, based on a collection of artifacts from various shipwrecks in the area.

a reply to: Byrd
Thank you for that help.
I think my theory is not entirely lost, as I was remarking to Andymayhew above. A verbal description of a gradual inundation ("our ancestors had to move from their lands because they got flooded") could be misheard by later generations as a sudden catastrophe.

a reply to: Byrd

based on a collection of artifacts from various shipwrecks in the area.

Ship wrecks that are 7500 years old? I'm sure there are..