The Biden Administration Will Recognize the Taliban as Afghanistan's Legitimate Government.

a reply to: themessengernevermatters

The reason they failed was a lack of command and control. Afgan spec ops units were actually told not to fight and told to go home. When the government fell apart there was no one giving orders. They actually had the Taliban outgunned and outmanned what they didn't have was a working government. They could have pulled out troops but what they needed was diplomats to help them run the country. They were not ready to handle the responsibility and the US should have taken steps to put the right people in a position of power before the pullout.

Now for the biden mistakes

Ashraf Ghani was installed as Afghan president after support from the Biden admin during disputed elections. President Ghani failed to attract genuine support among ordinary Afghans because of his policies. Like it or not this was caused by women.

Feminist policies were being imposed on Afghans who have a deep-rooted patriarchal culture. The vast majority of adult Afghan men cannot read or write, yet liberals insisted on building schools to indoctrinate Afghan girls and young women with secular progressive beliefs. They were sending women to schools when schools for males were nonexistent. Why because people would put money towards a school for women because they felt they were empowering them.

What they created is a bunch of apathetic men feeling they had nothing to gain from fighting. So for them staying home was the smart thing to do as they knew feminist policies would instantly end.

This is just a failure to understand the culture and trying to apply western ideals to a country that is still in the 1600s. They should have worked on infrastructure build public schools improved their electrical grids roads etc. Instead, all the money coming in when to feminists and they were not ready for that radical a change.

a reply to: dragonridr


Some of that is pretty interesting, and was unknown to me.

Do you know of a source where we could learn more on this?

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: themessengernevermatters

The reason they failed was a lack of command and control. Afgan spec ops units were actually told not to fight and told to go home. When the government fell apart there was no one giving orders. They actually had the Taliban outgunned and outmanned what they didn't have was a working government. They could have pulled out troops but what they needed was diplomats to help them run the country. They were not ready to handle the responsibility and the US should have taken steps to put the right people in a position of power before the pullout.

Now for the biden mistakes

Ashraf Ghani was installed as Afghan president after support from the Biden admin during disputed elections. President Ghani failed to attract genuine support among ordinary Afghans because of his policies. Like it or not this was caused by women.

Feminist policies were being imposed on Afghans who have a deep-rooted patriarchal culture. The vast majority of adult Afghan men cannot read or write, yet liberals insisted on building schools to indoctrinate Afghan girls and young women with secular progressive beliefs. They were sending women to schools when schools for males were nonexistent. Why because people would put money towards a school for women because they felt they were empowering them.

What they created is a bunch of apathetic men feeling they had nothing to gain from fighting. So for them staying home was the smart thing to do as they knew feminist policies would instantly end.

This is just a failure to understand the culture and trying to apply western ideals to a country that is still in the 1600s. They should have worked on infrastructure build public schools improved their electrical grids roads etc. Instead, all the money coming in when to feminists and they were not ready for that radical a change.

Whatever you want to believe it really is like Vietnam. Who is the enemy, who is the Taliban? Who knows, they are Afghan people. Who do you trust, you can't trust anyone and far to often you really don't know until you or one of your fellow soldiers runs into an IED.

Frankly you all act like the Taliban is some occupying force from somewhere else.

No, it is many of the Afghan people, who aren't just a patriarchal culture, they are Taliban. You want the Afghani's to be like the west. They don't want to. The majority don't want it and never wanted it. The people fleeing to the planes are the minority who did want it. The only thing we really could have done is airlifted them out. That is it. The country was never going to be won.

a reply to: themessengernevermatters


Is there any level of stupid you won't stoop to in effort to defend what joe just did?

And is still doing right this minute?



I just want to know how much coffee to make.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
a reply to: themessengernevermatters


Is there any level of stupid you won't stoop to in effort to defend what joe just did?

And is still doing right this minute?



I just want to know how much coffee to make.

The only thing stupid is thinking the US could regime change Afghanistan into a western democracy. They never wanted it. If they did they would have fought for it themselves. The Taliban are them.

And I don't give a # about biden or trump or either of the corrupt parties. I am not a partisantard, who keeps voting for the two corrupt parties and keeps getting the same globalism and tyranny.

Secondly I am more worried about the authoritarianism and censorship on the US soil right here right now, than I am about a desert on the other side of the world, that only really benefits, big pharma and big tech.

Go ahead, get your coffee though, it might help you wake up from your partisan delusions.

And what about that swamp? Couldn't trump find the drain plug? Of course not, because he is just another one of the swamp creatures, just like his entire cabinet, he filled from the DC swamp straight out of the gate.

You partisans will believe in the multigenerational propaganda of the two corrupt parties until you die. You just can't help it. That is what happens when you choose one of the corrupt teams.

Here are the facts folks.

There is a culture in Afghanistan where men rape and sodomize young boys.

People actually defended it because, "It's in their culture".

They are going to introduce Sharia Law. It's in their culture.

I've said recently that Afghanistan is the Kobayashi Maru of nations.

It's in their culture.

Biden was right to get out but the way he did it was so inept that a doorknob humping retard could have done a better job.

But hey! On the positive side. . . no more mean tweets, amirite?

a reply to: themessengernevermatters


"The only thing stupid is thinking the US could regime change Afghanistan into a western democracy"


That part I agree with completely.



But too late.

We already broke it.

And already gave our word that we would provide any necessary air support if taliban dared to do what they just did.

The words bombed back to the stone age were used.

How much do you think our word is worth now?

Do you think our friends didn't notice?

Or our potential enemies?

Do you really not understand the likely ramifications of what joe just did?

Horrifying on a global scale.

On top of the millions of Afghans that will now be abused, tortured, and killed as a result of joe breaking our promise.

Our promise.



But I understand if you still feel compelled to find something, anything, even made.up.bs, just have to somehow defend what joe just did.

I understand how powerful the brainwashing is.

And have plenty of coffee.



Afghan citizens don't have the same luxury of time that we do.

The raping, torturing & beheading is already well under way.

Will joe do anything about it?

I don't think he can.

Because he is 100% owned by ccp.

Or maybe he just doesn't care.

Is one any better than the other?

Can you think of any other possible explanation?

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
a reply to: themessengernevermatters


"The only thing stupid is thinking the US could regime change Afghanistan into a western democracy"


That part I agree with completely.



But too late.

We already broke it.

And already gave our word that we would provide any necessary air support if taliban dared to do what they just did.

The words bombed back to the stone age were used.

How much do you think our word is worth now?

Do you think our friends didn't notice?

Or our potential enemies?

Do you really not understand the likely ramifications of what joe just did?

Horrifying on a global scale.

On top of the millions of Afghans that will now be abused, tortured, and killed as a result of joe breaking our promise.

Our promise.



But I understand if you still feel compelled to find something, anything, even made.up.bs, just have to somehow defend what joe just did.

I understand how powerful the brainwashing is.

And have plenty of coffee.



Afghan citizens don't have the same luxury of time that we do.

The raping, torturing & beheading is already well under way.

Will joe do anything about it?

I don't think he can.

Because he is 100% owned by ccp.

Or maybe he just doesn't care.

Is one any better than the other?

Can you think of any other possible explanation?

We have been bombing them back into the stone age the whole time. They are barely out of the stone age as a people. So, it really isn't going to have the effect you want.

You keep saying air support would do it. I guess we will never really know, now, but I don't think it would. The reason the Taliban didn't surge Kabul is not because of the defense forces, but the US troops standing beside them,

I get it, it wasn''t good to break a promise, but it was a promise that was always going to be broken. Unless we would have decided to stay in Afghanistan until our nation falls.

With the current state of the country, the republic is already falling, just as they planed when George Bush Sr.; the first openly globalist president, began outsourcing the production base.

Bush Sr (R), Clinton (D), Bush Jr (R), Obama (D). All stepping lock step with the globalist tune. Parties don't matter, presidents don't matter.

And I am the one brainwashed? please.

a reply to: dragonridr

It's interesting how IRAQ is a U.S. Success model for nation rebuilding, but Afghanistan wasn't.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Here are the facts folks.

There is a culture in Afghanistan where men rape and sodomize young boys.

People actually defended it because, "It's in their culture".

They are going to introduce Sharia Law. It's in their culture.

I've said recently that Afghanistan is the Kobayashi Maru of nations.

It's in their culture.

Biden was right to get out but the way he did it was so inept that a doorknob humping retard could have done a better job.

But hey! On the positive side. . . no more mean tweets, amirite?

Good summary. The Trump drawdown from March 2020 thru Jan 2021 was going as planned. Then, Joe Biden comes along and does what he's apparently famous for, which is fu**king up what's working well.

a reply to: themessengernevermatters


Ah, I may have just found where your misconception is rooted.

Taliban did not avoid fighting because ANA was standing guard.

The only purpose of ANA was to keep taliban from disappearing inside a base or city long enough for air support to arrive and destroy them while still grouped.

ANA were not trained or equipped to do anything else. Not possible with the resources available.

The American troops were not standing beside ANA. It was their job, and they had been doing it well for quite some time. Not nearly as well as American troops would have on their own, but well enough to keep taliban from attacking, or enough to ensure taliban would pay a very heavy price if they did.

Until joe renegged on promised air support.

Then ANA had no hope of success.

And quickly fell apart.

Our troops guarded only the bases where our folks were based, provided training & assistance, while American contractors took care of most maintenance tasks. The most 'exciting' task most American troops saw over the past few years was walking through villages handing out candy to children.

There were very few exceptions to any of this over the past few years.

a reply to: carewemust

That's because Iraq did not have a taliban and even when Hussain was supposedly bad he was not like the rest of the middle eastern countries, but Iraq had oil, Afghanistan did not.

Soo Iraq was what the Bush administration wanted.

originally posted by: themessengernevermatters
Bush Sr (R), Clinton (D), Bush Jr (R), Obama (D). All stepping lock step with the globalist tune. Parties don't matter, presidents don't matter.

And I am the one brainwashed? please.

None of them did anything even remotely close to what joe just did, and is still doing right this minute.

Love the creative way you tried to sneak that lame whataboutism in though.

Think I wouldn't notice?

Then haven't been paying attention around here lately.

Folks aren't letting that slide anymore.

Ever.

Suggest you change your ways.

Or get used to being called on it.

Every time.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: carewemust

That's because Iraq did not have a taliban and even when Hussain was supposedly bad he was not like the rest of the middle eastern countries, but Iraq had oil, Afghanistan did not.

Soo Iraq was what the Bush administration wanted.

Just curious, if the only motivation was invading someone for oil, why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia after 9/11? No matter how cozy you think the neocons were with the Saudi royalty, they didn't need them anymore. We had a tailor-made excuse to invade and kill them and take what we wanted.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
a reply to: themessengernevermatters


Ah, I may have just found where your misconception is rooted.

Taliban did not avoid fighting because ANA was standing guard.

The only purpose of ANA was to keep taliban from disappearing inside a base or city long enough for air support to arrive and destroy them while still grouped.

ANA were not trained or equipped to do anything else. Not possible with the resources available.

The American troops were not standing beside ANA. It was their job, and they had been doing it well for quite some time. Not nearly as well as American troops would have on their own, but well enough to keep taliban from attacking, or enough to ensure taliban would pay a very heavy price if they did.

Until joe renegged on promised air support.

Then ANA had no hope of success.

And quickly fell apart.

Our troops guarded only the bases where our folks were based, provided training & assistance, while American contractors took care of most maintenance tasks. The most 'exciting' task most American troops saw over the past few years was walking through villages handing out candy to children.

There were very few exceptions to any of this over the past few years.

No that is probably your mistake. If the Taliban started fighting the defense forces and they started crumbling, the us military would have stepped in or had to retreat. That is why the Taliban didn't do anything. The US troops much like Roman legions only had to quash rebellions when the local authorities couldn't hack it. The mere presence of the legions were enough to keep rebels in line and when not the legions would step in and take them out.

What really changed in Afghanistan before the fall, was the removal of the troops and the threat of pissing of the US.

originally posted by: themessengernevermatters

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
a reply to: themessengernevermatters


Ah, I may have just found where your misconception is rooted.

Taliban did not avoid fighting because ANA was standing guard.

The only purpose of ANA was to keep taliban from disappearing inside a base or city long enough for air support to arrive and destroy them while still grouped.

ANA were not trained or equipped to do anything else. Not possible with the resources available.

The American troops were not standing beside ANA. It was their job, and they had been doing it well for quite some time. Not nearly as well as American troops would have on their own, but well enough to keep taliban from attacking, or enough to ensure taliban would pay a very heavy price if they did.

Until joe renegged on promised air support.

Then ANA had no hope of success.

And quickly fell apart.

Our troops guarded only the bases where our folks were based, provided training & assistance, while American contractors took care of most maintenance tasks. The most 'exciting' task most American troops saw over the past few years was walking through villages handing out candy to children.

There were very few exceptions to any of this over the past few years.

No that is probably your mistake. If the Taliban started fighting the defense forces and they started crumbling, the us military would have stepped in or had to retreat. That is why the Taliban didn't do anything. The US troops much like Roman legions only had to quash rebellions when the local authorities couldn't hack it. The mere presence of the legions were enough to keep rebels in line and when not the legions would step in and take them out.

What really changed in Afghanistan before the fall, was the removal of the troops and the threat of pissing of the US.

.

Not gonna try arguing with stupid.

Really, i hope you are just messing with me.

That is beyond dumb.

The U.S. doesn't operate that way.

Not since civil war.

Not sure anyone does anymore.

Won't be successful if so.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: themessengernevermatters

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
a reply to: themessengernevermatters


Ah, I may have just found where your misconception is rooted.

Taliban did not avoid fighting because ANA was standing guard.

The only purpose of ANA was to keep taliban from disappearing inside a base or city long enough for air support to arrive and destroy them while still grouped.

ANA were not trained or equipped to do anything else. Not possible with the resources available.

The American troops were not standing beside ANA. It was their job, and they had been doing it well for quite some time. Not nearly as well as American troops would have on their own, but well enough to keep taliban from attacking, or enough to ensure taliban would pay a very heavy price if they did.

Until joe renegged on promised air support.

Then ANA had no hope of success.

And quickly fell apart.

Our troops guarded only the bases where our folks were based, provided training & assistance, while American contractors took care of most maintenance tasks. The most 'exciting' task most American troops saw over the past few years was walking through villages handing out candy to children.

There were very few exceptions to any of this over the past few years.

No that is probably your mistake. If the Taliban started fighting the defense forces and they started crumbling, the us military would have stepped in or had to retreat. That is why the Taliban didn't do anything. The US troops much like Roman legions only had to quash rebellions when the local authorities couldn't hack it. The mere presence of the legions were enough to keep rebels in line and when not the legions would step in and take them out.

What really changed in Afghanistan before the fall, was the removal of the troops and the threat of pissing of the US.

.

Not gonna try arguing with stupid.

Really, i hope you are just messing with me.

That is beyond dumb.

The U.S. doesn't operate that way.

Not since civil war.

Not sure anyone does anymore.

Won't be successful if so.

You can think I am dumb, but the Taliban crushed the defense forces and didn't really try before. The difference is the US pulled their troops and their force projection from the region.

Here is the real question. How many years, how many US lives and how much money do you think it would have taken to make the defense forces a viable independent defense force, which they obviously at this point were not?

How long do you think it would take for the majority of Afghani's to decided they didn't like the Taliban and wouldn't reestablished their authority once the US had left?

There is nothing stupid in that. Stupid is believing we trained a viable independent force that could stand on their own without the bare minimum of at least US Air Support and further projection of US power in the region. By your own admission.