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Of all those who have been critical of our vaccination efforts related to Covid-19, vaccine expert Geert Vanden Bossche stands out as one of the loudest voices in the crowd. Having been featured on Dr. Chris Martenson's Peak Prosperity and Bret Weinstein's Dark Horse podcast, Vanden Bossche has been outspoken - yet measured and reasoned - in his critiquing of mass vaccinations during the midst of the Covid pandemic. One of his main gripes with vaccination efforts is that vaccinating during the middle of a pandemic could potentially lead to a long runway of variants, some of which may evolve to be far more difficult to deal with than the original Covid virus.
And Vanden Bossche is an expert in the space with an extensive resume. He received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany. He has worked for several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development. He also joined the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer before working with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva as Senior Ebola Program Manager. At GAVI he tracked efforts to develop an Ebola vaccine. He also represented GAVI in fora with other partners, including WHO, to review progress on the fight against Ebola and to build plans for global pandemic preparedness. He then joined the German Center for Infection Research in Cologne as Head of the Vaccine Development Office. In a new blog post published yesterday, Vanden Bossche continued to raise questions about our mass vaccination program to fight Covid. In a summary of his findings, he writes: "As of the early days of the mass vaccination campaigns, at least a few experts have been warning against the catastrophic impact such a program could have on global and individual health. Mass vaccination in the middle of a pandemic is prone to promoting selection and adaptation of immune escape variants that are featured by increasing infectiousness and resistance to spike protein (S)-directed antibodies (Abs), thereby diminishing protection in vaccinees and threatening the unvaccinated." "This already explains why the WHO’s mass vaccination program is not only unable to generate herd immunity (HI) but even leads to substantial erosion of the population’s immune protective capacity," he continues. "As the ongoing universal mass vaccination program will soon promote dominant propagation of highly infectious, neutralization escape mutants (i.e., so-called ‘S Ab-resistant variants’), naturally acquired, or vaccinal neutralizing Abs, will, indeed, no longer offer any protection to immunized individuals whereas high infectious pressure will continue to suppress the innate immune defense system of the nonvaccinated." "This is to say that every further increase in vaccine coverage rates will further contribute to forcing the virus into resistance to neutralizing, S-specific Abs. Increased viral infectivity, combined with evasion from antiviral immunity, will inevitably result in an additional toll taken on human health and human lives."
originally posted by: 727Sky
As far as mutations and the vaccine, it should not take more than a couple of brain cells to realize that a vaccine that does not stop the virus in its tracks will allow said virus to mutate. We have people completely vaccinated who still get covid and are spreaders. Sooner or later there might be a new strain that makes the 1918 Spanish flu look like a bad cold. That coupled with some of the bad reactions to the current crop of vaccines make one wonder who to hell is in charge and actually has a couple of brain cells that are working for the benefit of human kind and not for the detriment ?
As far as mutations and the vaccine, it should not take more than a couple of brain cells to realize that a vaccine that does not stop the virus in its tracks will allow said virus to mutate.
If you were correct then all the doctrine of taking antibiotics would say you can stop taking them when you feel better !
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: 727Sky
If you were correct then all the doctrine of taking antibiotics would say you can stop taking them when you feel better !
Antibiotics don't work with viruses and a vaccine is not an antibiotic. The doctor is either a fool or is intentionally spreading misinformation.
Look how much stronger the smallpox vaccine made smallpox!
As far as mutations and the vaccine, it should not take more than a couple of brain cells to realize that a vaccine that does not stop the virus in its tracks will allow said virus to mutate.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: SeventhChapter
A reminder of context seems to be called for.
This is the statement to which I was responding.
As far as mutations and the vaccine, it should not take more than a couple of brain cells to realize that a vaccine that does not stop the virus in its tracks will allow said virus to mutate.
Tell me, does no vaccine at all stop a virus in its tracks? Tell me, do viruses only mutate under the influence of vaccines?
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: 727Sky
If you were correct then all the doctrine of taking antibiotics would say you can stop taking them when you feel better !
Antibiotics don't work with viruses and a vaccine is not an antibiotic. The doctor is either a fool or is intentionally spreading misinformation.
Look how much stronger the smallpox vaccine made smallpox!
And ignoring the context.
I’m using your example.
On the metric of preventing infection, better.
Tell me what is the effectiveness of the smallpox vaccine compared to the mRNA treatments?
There is no such thing as "pressuring" mutation. Mutation is random. If a mutation results in higher transmissibility it will become dominant. Most mutations don't.
How might one lead more to pressure mutation than another?
In lieu of evidence to the contrary, equal.
Where would you gauge the mRNA treatments on an ADE risk scale compared to other vaccines?