Emergency Services respond to a 'Significant and Serious Incident in Plymouth UK

All the victims have been named.

www.bbc.co.uk...

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: Akaspeedy
if its drug related, something to do with county lines if I remember rightly.......

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk...

bound to end up with guns at some point

originally posted by: gortex

There are multiple fatalities following a "serious and tragic" incident in Plymouth - and a shooter involved has been shot, Sky News understands.

It is not being treated as terror-related and the incident, in the Keyham area, is believed to have been contained.

Not much of a consolation but at least there's that , hopefully it's gang related.

Yes. County lines is a big thing here. It's called "Cuckooing". The dealers take over vulnerable folks flats and use them to deal drugs. Against their will. It is evil.

I had to look that up, I was like WTF is Cuckooing?

Cuckooing is a new type of crime where criminal gangs exploit vulnerable people. The most common form of cuckooing is where drug dealers take over someone's home and use it to store, use or sell drugs. It takes the name from cuckoo birds who take over the nests of other birds.

You guys across the pond have very creative terminology. : O

a reply to: Freeborn

Like yourself, im still wondering why a person like this boy, with obvious mental health problems, had access to a pump action shotgun in this day of age.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Maybe it's time to take away the guns from licensed gun holders?

Or maybe they should just ensure current regulations are followed correctly?

To obtain a firearm certificate, the police must be satisfied that a person has "good reason" to own each firearm, and that they can be trusted with it "without danger to the public safety or to the peace". Under Home Office guidelines, Firearm Certificates are only issued if a person has legitimate sporting, collecting, or work-related reasons for ownership. Since 1968, self-defence has not been considered a valid reason to own a firearm.[43] The current licensing procedure involves: positive verification of identity, two referees of verifiable good character who have known the applicant for at least two years (and who may themselves be interviewed and/or investigated as part of the certification), approval of the application by the applicant's own family doctor, an inspection of the premises and cabinet where firearms will be kept and a face-to-face interview by a Firearms Enquiry Officer (FEO) also known as a Firearms Liaison Officer (FLO). A thorough background check of the applicant is then made by Special Branch on behalf of the firearms licensing department. Only when all these stages have been satisfactorily completed will a licence be issued, which must be renewed every 5 years

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originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Freeborn

..yet he was also a Licensed Firearms Holder.

Time to take away the guns then.

From nutters like him, yes.

Police already have powers to revoke firearms licences.

Shame they did not do that in his case but they are too busy to monitor people's social media rantings.

Gun control is not much of an issue here. We'd just prefer nutters and crims not to have them.

Went to France a while back playing Petanqe with the French. In a bar and these French guys came in in camo with rifles in cases. Had a few Pastis or whatever then one came over to our Skipper ( who had a Mohican) with rifle over shoulder and said "You, come outside, now"?

Bit worried but he did.

Turned out at the back of the bar they had a shooting range and he wanted us to have a go....

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

"The IOPC will investigate Devon and Cornwall Police over Davison's possession of a shotgun and shotgun certificate, which were returned to him last month after being removed following an allegation of assault."

If that's true, this just gets weirder and weirder.

www.independent.co.uk...

It seems a tragic case of police failing to follow up on obvious broadcast signs that the guy was very unstable and shouldn''t be in possesion of a firearm.That's not a criticism of the police themselves, the government decimated police numbers under theguise of austeriy to the point they can no longer enforce the law properly.

I've been told by CID that under Cameron and May McDonalds and KFC Managers were given senior constable mangerial roles instead of actual police who kew what they were doing being hired as they were far cheaper to hire than an actual police officer.

Firearm laws don't need to change. I live in the countryside within five miles of three shooting ranges and most farmers and poachers own shhotguns or rifles and regularly shoot. No one gets killed as they respect the weaponn/tool and aren't bat# mental.

Still disturbing how police didn't notice any of his youtbe videos poving he shouldn't posses a firearm when they spend most of thier time monitoring social media as they're easy cases and there aren't the policee numbers to have more than one police officer in a patrol car.

a reply to: andy06shake

Well that puts a serious twist on things

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

"The IOPC will investigate Devon and Cornwall Police over Davison's possession of a shotgun and shotgun certificate, which were returned to him last month after being removed following an allegation of assault."

If that's true, this just gets weirder and weirder.

That is worrying. I don't have much faith in Plod.

Cressida Dick. I rest my case.

a reply to: bastion

One look at the dudes social media history might have saved 7 peoples life's including his own.

So aye quite the twist.

Like you suggest through Police don't have the funding to investigate the half of what's going on, i don't imagine what ever constitutes a Firearms board does nether as unfortunate as the case may be.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: bastion

One look at the dudes social media history might have saved 7 peoples life's including his own.

So aye quite the twist.

Like you suggest through Police don't have the funding to investigate the half of what's going on, i don't imagine what ever constitutes a Firearms board does nether as unfortunate as the case may be.

Ah. But hold on a second.

You'll be getting the Yank folk down on us about our freedom of speech or lack thereof.....

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: bastion

One look at the dudes social media history might have saved 7 peoples life's including his own.

So aye quite the twist.

Like you suggest through Police don't have the funding to investigate the half of what's going on, i don't imagine what ever constitutes a Firearms board does nether as unfortunate as the case may be.

I do get this but....

Its not like he was saying he was going to go out and kill a bunch of folk, from what i have read of his social media accounts he was mostly going on about how he was a "fat ugly virgin", the dude sounded depressed and no doubt had other issues.

This is tragic but it worries me a little when the media talk about how he "liked" a video with guns and posted some pro-trump stuff ohhhh and lets not forget the violent video games he played. Its like they try to equate that activity on his social media with the crime.

The police in the UK are basically the firearms board, its at the discression of senior officers who has justifiable grounds to be granted a firearms licence so it would be interesting to know how he got his. So it will be intersting to know if there where any failings in that. I think a licence is valid for 5 years so 3 years ago he could have been seen as a safe pair of hands with a shotgun and times have just changed.

This i think is just one of those sad things that thankfully doesn't happen to often round these parts and it won't be the last time either.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Free to know better would be my guesstimation there.

Each to there own all the same.

But as you know, we nether wish nor require to see guns in our towns and on our streets in the same to similar manner our American cousins across the pond have going on.

And on that note, i think just about the full nation stands united.

But different strokes for different folks would seem to apply.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Listen to the way the poor lad grumbles on about his Terminator ethos OtherSideOfTheCoin in his YouTube Post.

That's not someone you return pump action shotguns to and accompanying licence imho.

Just the signs of depression alone should have been enough to raze some concerns.

Think another poster went on to suggest his mother was crying out for the lad to get help/receive help.

That's just not someone i think should have been trusted with a shotgun, hence the reason it was possibly removed in the past.

Sad turn of events indeed but by the looks of it preventable to a degree.

Further information is required where Police and the lad in question is concerned which im sure will materialise.

a reply to: bastion

Police incompetence, yet again.

As you say, no need for more regulation just ensure current directives are followed rigorously.
I would have thought that mental health would be a priority when going through the vetting process.

Maybe our police should spend less time trawling social media for imaginary insults and pushing the woke agenda and more time enforcing existing laws and doing good, old fashioned police work?

Nothing should deflect away from the fact that blame for this horrific act lies firmly at the feet of the person who chose to commit the crime.....but I just can't help thinking that this could have been avoided if people had only done what they are supposed to do.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Cressida Dick.

A PR exercise gone horribly wrong.

a reply to: andy06shake

totally agree am just saying if he was granted that licence say 2 or 3 years ago and at the time it was perfectly justifiable you can't expect the police to run around checking out the soical media accounts of every gun owner in the country.

I think they really need to investigate the grounds on which that license was granted but untill thats explained we can't say if the police did or did not do their jobs properly. I am also saying i take issue with the media running linking this to him liking a few gun youtube vids, sharing some trump crap on facebook and playing violent video games.

Guy had issues, was a bit of a bad bastard and snapped.

It happens and it will happen again thankfully in the UK not very often.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Cressida Dick.

A PR exercise gone horribly wrong.

No. A Political Correctness exercise gone horribly wrong.

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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin



Their is snapping all the same, and then there is blowing the heads off 3 years old little girls with a shotgun, never mind his own mother.

How you draw down or pull the trigger on a kid like that remains a mystery to me no matter your state of mind.

So sad.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Free to know better would be my guesstimation there.

Each to there own all the same.

But as you know, we nether wish nor require to see guns in our towns and on our streets in the same to similar manner our American cousins across the pond have going on.

And on that note, i think just about the full nation stands united.

But different strokes for different folks would seem to apply.

Agreed. Imagine if he was a US citizen with access to assault rifles and automatic weapons?

Nutters with excessive firepower.

Never a good mix.

Except for our friends across the Pond when it's an enshrined right. Eh?

a reply to: andy06shake

yeah man its totally messed up.

I think most people just can't comprehend that kind of minset which is part of makes it so difficult to understand why he done what he done. Thats probably why we look for answers and blame it on stuff like mental health, police failings, video games and so on.

Personally i just think there are sadly some very evil folk on this planet.