Why do we have to wear a mask if I am vaccinated?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: jjkenobi
There's zero data to support mask wearing has any influence on COVID at all.

Effectiveness of Face Masks in Preventing Airborne Transmission of SARS-CoV-2

Now charo, you don’t answer the question.


And I was taught in the military and in industry a mask that doesn’t seal is useless.


Why are people not supposed to wear a N-95 mask that has an exit valve? How is that different than wearing a mask that doesn’t seal. And cheap fabric masks don’t seal.

a reply to: chr0naut

Oh. My favorite example.

Most cheap stretchy string procedure masks are 40 percent effective. Is that false?

Would you trust a condom that was only 40 percent effective for birth control. I guess if you capture 400,000 sperm out of every 1,000,000, you can say it may reduce “transmission” rates of sperm. But. With 600,000 sperm being passed, it’s not going to really reduce pregnancy cases.

It's all about catching the droplets maaaaaaan

a reply to: chr0naut

The vast majority of people who die from COVID-19 complications do so in a hospital, on a ventilator, with a team of doctors and medical staff around them, and from no other primary cause.

And when all else fails, just lie.
Your lies are pathetic.
Red and pathetic.
Not cool wuhanC


Ps
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Lying numbers

a reply to: neutronflux

Public health policy is based on reasonable, practical methods rather than pure science. 100% effective lab techniques are useless if no one is going to follow them. The average member of the public has no training in correctly using hazmat gear, doesn't own any, can't afford it, maintain it and hypochondriacs were claiming they couidn't breathe in the paper thin surgical style masks so wouldn't stand a chance with a sealed valve.

Comprimise is made between what is proven effective and what is practical, which in this case was any form of material as they all dramatically reduced viral spread to be used in conjunction with .

Masks were never claimed to be 100$ effectkve, they were to be used in conunction with social distancing and good hygene.

The military are incredibly well trained, equiped and disciplined in using the gear and need to follow proper/procedures when dealing with WMD/Nerve Agents etc....the general public in every Western country had mass brawls over toilet paper despite the runs not being a symptom of Covid - it'd turn full on Mad Max in hours if people were fighting over the very limited number of a paticular breathing aparatus available.

TL;DR - There were a good number of grown adults pictured/filmed using plastic bags as a facemasks in the early days - never underestimate how incredibly dumb a good section of the public are.

im certainly not gonna go out of my way to find all that for you, you aren't helpless, do it yourself.

but the answer is simple, vaccines aren't ever 100% effective, not only that but viruses adapt fast and eventually loses effectiveness over time. not only that but the other strain is already spreading.

these suggestions are all based on how Asian countries have done things for over a decade because of SARS which is similar to covid, there's all kinds of information on why wearing masks prevents infection, hell there's over a century of data if you really wanted to go looking that badly.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Brassmonkey

Clearly from February last year.

Things change in over a year, ya know.

The US Surgeon General said masks are NOT effective in preventing the general public from catching China Virus.

So what changed?
The size of the virus...or the size of the mask fiber net?

But masks can reduce the velocity of air flow, and so can prevent people from transmitting the virus to others.

Mask manufacturers disagree.

a reply to: canuckster

Yeah, cause viruses are bigger than droplets, we all know that. LOL

a reply to: chr0naut

You keep digging yourself in deeper and deeper. What is it? I doesn't spread that fast, or does it spread fast enough that we can't keep ahead of it?

a reply to: neutronflux

Stopping mosquitos with chain link fence.

originally posted by: Brassmonkey
Ok so the CDC just reversed it’s recommendation
For masks indoors. They are now recommending that people who have been vaccinated still have to wear a mask now.

My question is simple:

What data is there that supports this recommendation?
The only answer that the White House press secretary gave today was “ It’s an extra layer of support and you can still
Transmit the virus”

What the? That’s not an answer. Does the vaccine work? Every study I have seen says it’s 95% effective. I like SCIENCE AND DATA.

I was promised by President Biden that if I got the vaccine then everything would go back to normal. Now I am immunized and I have to wear a mask now?

Technically, the Covid vaccine isn't a true viral vaccine. A true viral vaccine is injecting someone with either a dead virus or a weakened form of a virus to get the human immune system to respond either to the dead viral matter to build immunity or to weakened viral matter to build immunity.

What's on the market labelled a "vaccine" is a sloppy shortcut. The Covid vaccine tries to get the human immune system to release a single strain of protein so that the single strain of protein kills the Covid after the immunized catch Covid.

It's a lot less immunity than injecting someone with dead or weakened viral matter to build up full immunity.

This sloppy vaccine-shortcut-protein strain---of course--- means the vaccinated can still catch and spread Covid. But many of the vaccinated don't even know that they have caught Covid. The symptoms of Covid among the vaccinated are less prevalent. In turn that means the vaccinated become silent spreaders of Covid, not knowing that they have it because the symptoms are mild if any symptoms at all.

Of course there is the additional problem. That once a vaccinated person becomes silently infected with Covid (mild symptoms or no symptoms at all), the Covid tries to survive as their immune systems are releasing the single strain protein to kill the Covid. And since Covid is trying to survive in response to the release of the single protein strain killing it, then that means at some point that Covid will mutate among the vaccinated to survive around the single protein designed to kill it.

Related Thread

Or to quote the article from the related thread.

On the other hand, mass vaccination promotes natural selection of increasingly vaccine immunity (VI)-escaping variants in the vaccinated part of the population. Taken together, mass vaccination conducted on a background of high infectivity rates enables more infectious, increasingly VI-escaping variants to expand in prevalence. This evolution inevitably results in inclining morbidity rates in both, the non-vaccinated and vaccinated population and precipitates the emergence of circulating viral variants that will eventually fully resist vaccine-mediated immunity (VMI).

A Last Word of Caution...

So right now each vaccinated person that catches Covid just releases a single protein to kill Covid and Covid mutates to try to survive the single protein. Then the vaccinated who are not wearing masks can spread Covid while it is mutating to the single protein, to other people, including children who don't qualify for vaccination.

a reply to: Brassmonkey


From the form you must sign before getting jabbed:



2. I am aware and understand that vaccines are not 100% effective.

3. I am aware that vaccines have not been tested enough to show that they are 100% safe and effective.

4. I am aware and understand that vaccines can cause death or injury and disease which seriously and negatively affects the lives of vaccinated individuals, their families and their communities.

7. I am aware and understand that no one may be forced, coerced or compelled to accept medical treatment or foreign substances inserted into their bodies without full voluntary consent under full disclosure and that administering a treatment, harmful or otherwise, without consent of all affected parties is unlawful and unethical.

8. I am aware and understand that vaccinations do, on occasion, cause harm, injury and disease including the disease they are intended to prevent.




EXACTLY what 'anti vaxxers' and other concerned folks have been saying since day 1.

And WE are accused of spreading disinformation!

When THIS is in the official document you must sign when getting the jab.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Again, nobody gets it.

Ah well…

Because not enough time had passed to prove anything.

They said no masks and withing a 6 month time frame they can get a better understanding.

Same with the vaccine..they dont know the effects until a year.

originally posted by: JIMC5499
a reply to: chr0naut

You keep digging yourself in deeper and deeper. What is it? I doesn't spread that fast, or does it spread fast enough that we can't keep ahead of it?

Of course we can keep ahead of it if we want.

But if people stand around trying pretending that it isn't happening, for months, then those people aren't going to keep ahead of it, are they.

I mean, if you stand in the path of a steam roller, and don't move, then it will eventually run over you. There's no vaccine for stupidity.

originally posted by: PillarOfFire

If idiots congregate in large crowds, waving signs, and none of them taking any precautions, then of course those precautions aren't going to work in that case - this is the way stupidity works!

originally posted by: Brassmonkey
Ok so the CDC just reversed it’s recommendation
For masks indoors. They are now recommending that people who have been vaccinated still have to wear a mask now.

My question is simple:

What data is there that supports this recommendation?
The only answer that the White House press secretary gave today was “ It’s an extra layer of support and you can still
Transmit the virus”

Looks like the CDC just reversed more of what they said. Now they are requiring those who have been vaccinated to start re-testing themselves for Covid and if the fully vaccinated have Covid, then the CDC says they must wear a mask at all times until they get a negative Covid test.

The CDC now says vaccinated people should seek out a COVID-19 test three to five days after being exposed to a person who may have contracted the virus.

In addition, any vaccinated person who has been exposed should wear a mask in indoor public settings for two weeks or until they receive a negative COVID-19 test result.

The CDC says anyone experiencing symptoms of COVID-19, regardless of vaccination status, should isolate themselves and seek out a test.
...

CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said that recent studies have shown that vaccinated people are able to spread the delta variant — the most contagious strain of the virus yet.

“In recent days, I have seen new scientific data from recent outbreak investigations showing that the delta variant behaves uniquely differently from past strains of the virus that cause COVID-19,” Walensky said. “Information on the delta variant from several states and countries indicates that in rare occasions, some vaccinated people infected with the delta variant after vaccination may be contagious and spread the virus to others. This new science is worrisome and unfortunately warrants an update to our recommendations.”

Fully Vaccinated People Should Seek Out a COVID Test

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: PillarOfFire

If idiots congregate in large crowds, waving signs, and none of them taking any precautions, then of course those precautions aren't going to work in that case - this is the way stupidity works!

So the folks in photo were recently killed by covid?

Love to see your source.




But we all know you just make things up to support democrat narrative.

Exactly like CCP.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: PillarOfFire

If idiots congregate in large crowds, waving signs, and none of them taking any precautions, then of course those precautions aren't going to work in that case - this is the way stupidity works!

So the folks in photo were recently killed by covid?

Love to see your source.

But we all know you just make things up to support democrat narrative.

Exactly like CCP.

Possibly some of them, or their families and close contacts. Rather sad really.

Stupid has consequences.