Fully vaccinated people 885 percent more likely to die from COVID-19 than unvaccinated

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

The mRNA from the vaccines does not enter the cell nucleus or interact with our DNA, so how does that constitute gene therapy?

Gene therapies have long-lasting even permanent effects because they ""permanently"" change DNA.

The vaccines don't do that.

www.forbes.com...

I'll find the studies on mRNA again that show potential links between mRNA ---> going to MRNA ---> DNA. There are a number of links on the internet, but I would prefer the actual studies.

One thing should concern everyone is that no one really knows what is in those jabs. Two of them are allegedly mRNA and three are rDNA (recombinant DNA) which can and will alter DNA, then we have ingredients like SM-102 and other fun things that are "secret."

Choose your poison ;-)

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Well if COVID 19 is a two stage bioweapon, how come stage two, which presumably would be the vaccines, seem to be preventing stage one from hospitalising people and killing them?

As to my statement, if you doubt the veracity then i suggest you ask a expert in biological weapons.

I just dont see it MichiganSwampBuck, but ile give your thread a read.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Doctor Smith

Same way your kids need to be vaccinated against a multitude of diseases to attend most schools?

Don't give a crap about your ideological wang measuring contest going on in-thread, but this right here is incorrect.

You don't ACTUALLY need them to attend public school in the US, you can outright opt out of the requirement with a variety of legitimate legally recognized reasons enshrined as this thing called a Waiver, everything from religious reasons to philosophical reasons to plain old No Comment flies, depending on districts. Some allow all reasons, some only allow a select few.

I know plenty of folks who've opted out of ALL vaccines for their kids, and said kids are absolutely allowed in public schools. Sorry hoss, the UK might do school admission that way (no Waivers) but we don't.

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Naw buddy some people do know whats in them.

www.hackensackmeridianhealth.org...

vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk...

Again COVID 19 vaccines dont constitute gene-therapy.

The FDA are calling them vaccines all over the place?

www.fda.gov...





a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

a reply to: Nyiah

I dont give a crap, that you dont give a crap, so there's that.

But your employers do, and so do the school boards and authorities.

Mandatory Vaccination of teachers and key workers has been the colour of the day for a while in most educational establishments in the US or that was my understanding, same with kids for the likes of Polio, Mumps, Measles and other diseases preventable via simple vaccination.

Then again not my nation, not my monkey, not my circus, could be wrong i suppose.

I know plenty of people who believe in creationism but i would not trust them to teach my weans science put it that way.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: Doctor Smith

I really wish they would stop calling the Covid Gene Therapy Medical Treatment a vaccine. It's not a vaccine, it does not prevent contracting a disease and it does not prevent transmission of a disease. The Covid Gene Therapy is no better than Nyquil, Benelin, or any other of-the-shelf "cold remedy" and it doesn't even have the utility of Aspirin or Tylenol. It does however have the potential for death from 15 minutes to 2 years after the jab, debilitating injury and adverse effects and the probability that anyone with the jab is now a GMO patented product, just cattle or crops.

But then with all the information out there, to take the jab you'd have to be cattle with a herd mentality or a vegetable.

Cheers - Dave

Complete and utter uniformed bollocks

Well done I salute your quest to be completely wrong in every respect.

I am happy for you. The way you look at things reminds of that cow walking up the ramp, blissfully ignorant of the bolt at the end of the walk. Where do you think I am incorrect?

1. It's not a vaccine by legal, medical or operational definition. (see archive.org from pre 2021)
2. It is no better than an off-the-shelf cold remedy. (you can use any medical database)
3. Aspirin and Tylenol are both anti-infalmmatory medicines of the NSAIDS family. (you can use any medical database)
4. Go look at VAERS and YellowBook for deaths and adverse effects. (self-explanatory)
5. The Supreme Court ruled in 2013 that genome modified humans were patent-able. (look up rulings)
6. Since there is a wealth of information concerning this covid junk, one would have to either live in a cave or be mentally deficient to not recognize the dangers and that they are being gamed for fun, profit and control.

Now put that big-ass 'ole brain of yours to work and show me where I am wrong, because I just stated facts, but 6 is questionable as it relies on observable empirical data concerning the psychology and behavior of citizens captured by something akin to Stockholm Syndrome.

ETA: There were Nazi documents and studies that showed if you inundate a population with fear and doom porn for 30 - 60 days they lost the ability to think rationally. You might think I could fall into that category like the herd, however, working for the military and CI overseas, being shot, dying and being brought back, poisoned, stabbed, under fire while deploying weapons, so no, I am cautious, but fear porn doesn't work on me.

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: Doctor Smith

I really wish they would stop calling the Covid Gene Therapy Medical Treatment a vaccine. It's not a vaccine, it does not prevent contracting a disease and it does not prevent transmission of a disease. The Covid Gene Therapy is no better than Nyquil, Benelin, or any other of-the-shelf "cold remedy" and it doesn't even have the utility of Aspirin or Tylenol. It does however have the potential for death from 15 minutes to 2 years after the jab, debilitating injury and adverse effects and the probability that anyone with the jab is now a GMO patented product, just cattle or crops.

But then with all the information out there, to take the jab you'd have to be cattle with a herd mentality or a vegetable.

Cheers - Dave

Complete and utter uniformed bollocks

Well done I salute your quest to be completely wrong in every respect.

I am happy for you. The way you look at things reminds of that cow walking up the ramp, blissfully ignorant of the bolt at the end of the walk. Where do you think I am incorrect?

1. It's not a vaccine by legal, medical or operational definition. (see archive.org from pre 2021)
2. It is no better than an off-the-shelf cold remedy. (you can use any medical database)
3. Aspirin and Tylenol are both anti-infalmmatory medicines of the NSAIDS family. (you can use any medical database)
4. Go look at VAERS and YellowBook for deaths and adverse effects. (self-explanatory)
5. The Supreme Court ruled in 2013 that genome modified humans were patent-able. (look up rulings)
6. Since there is a wealth of information concerning this covid junk, one would have to either live in a cave or be mentally deficient to not recognize the dangers and that they are being gamed for fun, profit and control.

Now put that big-ass 'ole brain of yours to work and show me where I am wrong, because I just stated facts, but 6 is questionable as it relies on observable empirical data concerning the psychology and behavior of citizens captured by something akin to Stockholm Syndrome.

Cheers - Dave

Just repeating bollocks doesn't make it any less bollocks.

1. With your references to 'its not a vacinne ' you don't even seem to get there are more than one type. You are wrong about all of them but this just shows how wrong.

2. It is and there are numerous studies to prove it.

3.Irrelevant.

4. Showing you don't understand what VAERS is.

5. Also irrelevant and wrong.

6. YOur opinion based on your complete misunderstanding of all of the above.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Nyiah

Then again not my nation, not my monkey, not my circus, could be wrong i suppose.

This is the only part about your beat-around-the-bush-oops-I-ate-my-foot blathering that is the meat of the matter.

It's NOT your country, and you ARE wrong. "American vaccine requirement waivers for schools", plug it into google.

Censoring idiot.
I bet you love facebook and have tons of friends there and send each other virtualcupcakes...that is of course...only if they are vaxxxed.
a reply to: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Naw buddy some people do know whats in them.

www.hackensackmeridianhealth.org...

vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk...

Again COVID 19 vaccines dont constitute gene-therapy.

Odd Ingredients (carcinogen)

Link to manufacturer of SM-102

Potassium Chloride is a poison

From your Link
"There are rumors that mRNA vaccines will alter our DNA because the RNA molecule can convert information stored in DNA into proteins. That’s simply, not true. It’s critical to note that the mRNA vaccines never enter the nucleus of the cell, where our DNA is stored. After injection, the mRNA from the vaccine is released into the cytoplasm of the cells. Once the viral protein is made and on the surface of the cell, mRNA is broken down and the body permanently gets rid of it, therefore making it impossible to change our DNA."

and

"Recombinant, replication-incompetent adenovirus type 26 expressing the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein:a modified and harmless version of a different virus (Adenovirus 26) is used as a “vector” to deliverthe DNA gene sequence to produce the coronavirus spike protein. Once the modified adenovirus vaccine enters into the cells, the body of the virus essentially disintegrates and the DNA material within it travels into the nucleus of the human cell where it is transcribed into mRNA. The coronavirus spike protein is then produced and displayed on the cell’s surface, prompting the immune system to begin producing antibodies and activating T-cells to fight off what it thinks is an infection."

Now, when a scientist says something is impossible, he most likely very wrong. I see impossible above and that is truly laughable.

We all have sources ;-)

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: Nyiah

I can see now that all 50 US states have legislation requiring specified vaccines for students.

But that exemptions vary from state to state.

Fair play when im wrong im wrong.

Not wrong about the COVID 19 vaccines or the percentage of unvaccinated people that are now dying all the same.

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Ok bob_uruncle, think as you wish.

No point trying to convince you of something you dont wish to be convinced of.

Stuff to do now have a nice night.

originally posted by: nonspecific

Would you care to explain why?

And why all these silly Billy scientists and doctors are calling it a vaccine when apparently it's not?

On what basis does it not meet the criteria?


a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Please examine the changes between the two links as there are additions in the 2021 (present) version

Link 2017 ***
Link 2021

The definition has been altered to include the Covid Jab.

*** Please remove the spaces from the second https in the link

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: Doctor Smith

What are your qualifications again Doc?

Still spearing fake news through dodgy links I see.

You're nothing if not predictable...

So the dictionary has been ammended to say that an mRNA based vaccine is a vaccine then?

And your FDA calls it a vaccine right?

And the medical and scientific communities both call it a vaccine right?

And let's not forget all those other medical regulatory boards across the globe, they all call it a vaccine right?

Dude on a conspiracy forum says it's not a vaccine?

I'm going to go with the other guys if that's cool with you Dave.



a reply to: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Well its clearly not Gene therapy nether nor does it meet the definition of such, so lets not call it that.

Since it messes with the internal operation of a cell using mRNA or a combination of mRNA and rDNA, it is in its most basic sense gene therapy and definitely not a vaccine. The object of calling it a "vaccine" was to try to use the existing liability protections and since there are over 200 patents since 2002 held by the CDC and others in this area, they obviously don't want to be sued or hunted down ;-)

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Doctor Smith

I'm fully vaccinated and just Tickety-boo ta very much, hows that for a fact, have been since the 4th of July.

And I'm not the one trying to get a job at Bitshute nether. LoL

I also understand how percentages work, so theirs that.

As to shill, nobody trying to trick or swindle you, but yourself.

At the end of the day Doctor Smith the vaccines are a choice, and a prudent one at that for most.

He's not a doctor he's a misinformation agent.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: Doctor Smith

I really wish they would stop calling the Covid Gene Therapy Medical Treatment a vaccine. It's not a vaccine, it does not prevent contracting a disease and it does not prevent transmission of a disease. The Covid Gene Therapy is no better than Nyquil, Benelin, or any other of-the-shelf "cold remedy" and it doesn't even have the utility of Aspirin or Tylenol. It does however have the potential for death from 15 minutes to 2 years after the jab, debilitating injury and adverse effects and the probability that anyone with the jab is now a GMO patented product, just cattle or crops.

But then with all the information out there, to take the jab you'd have to be cattle with a herd mentality or a vegetable.

Cheers - Dave

Complete and utter uniformed bollocks

Well done I salute your quest to be completely wrong in every respect.

I am happy for you. The way you look at things reminds of that cow walking up the ramp, blissfully ignorant of the bolt at the end of the walk. Where do you think I am incorrect?

1. It's not a vaccine by legal, medical or operational definition. (see archive.org from pre 2021)
2. It is no better than an off-the-shelf cold remedy. (you can use any medical database)
3. Aspirin and Tylenol are both anti-infalmmatory medicines of the NSAIDS family. (you can use any medical database)
4. Go look at VAERS and YellowBook for deaths and adverse effects. (self-explanatory)
5. The Supreme Court ruled in 2013 that genome modified humans were patent-able. (look up rulings)
6. Since there is a wealth of information concerning this covid junk, one would have to either live in a cave or be mentally deficient to not recognize the dangers and that they are being gamed for fun, profit and control.

Now put that big-ass 'ole brain of yours to work and show me where I am wrong, because I just stated facts, but 6 is questionable as it relies on observable empirical data concerning the psychology and behavior of citizens captured by something akin to Stockholm Syndrome.

Cheers - Dave

Just repeating bollocks doesn't make it any less bollocks.

1. With your references to 'its not a vacinne ' you don't even seem to get there are more than one type. You are wrong about all of them but this just shows how wrong.

2. It is and there are numerous studies to prove it.

3.Irrelevant.

4. Showing you don't understand what VAERS is.

5. Also irrelevant and wrong.

6. YOur opinion based on your complete misunderstanding of all of the above.

1. In another response I showed the differences added to make covid appear by definition to be a vaccine lol
2. Studies by the manufacturers and those with vested interest. That's conflict of interest and has no credibility.
3. irrelevant but still correct ;-)
4. VAERS is a reporting database for vaccine adverse effects and injury, I know exactly what it is and that deaths were increased by roughly 6000, yesterday.
5. Here is the US Supreme Court Decision 2013

So, you have shown nothing, proved nothing, put up no links to support your premise.... How's that stockholm syndrome working out for you? You might want to turn off your TV and develop your own opinions based on actual research rather than parroting the talking heads on glass tit ;-)

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: Doctor Smith

originally posted by: nonspecific
Tell.me the earth is flat I'll smile and walk on by, it hurts no one.

Spread blatent lies about a global pandemic and try to convince people to make medical decisions that could result in death and I'm going to call you out on that.

This is not ATS, it's not fringe or discussion or conspiracy it's just lies.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: nonspecific
Have you actually watched that bitchute video in the OP?

Anyone unable to see why it's utter garbage needs some very basic lessons in pretty much everything.

It's really really bad.





a reply to: network dude

No, I didn't watch it, and don't buy into much of what is said in that regard. But we are on a site where people argue that the Earth is flat, and there are edges you can fall off of, yet they haven't ever been seen or photographed. My point is, you don't erase the crazy, you point to it and laugh. It's what we do, what we have always done. Facebook censors, ATS debunks.

Thanx for the Sermon. No facts

Your correct, no facts is actually a very good way of describing the OP. From now on you should be known as Doctor Nope!