The Insanity behind Covid

originally posted by: InachMarbank

So the RNA replicates, and the RNA gets your body to make SARS COV2 protein.

No. The mRNA enters the cytoplasm, attaches to ribosomes, which read its sequence, three bases at a time, in order to synthesise the antigens. The mRNA is then rapidly destroyed by enzymes.

originally posted by: InachMarbank

Even if the RNA cant make a whole virus, that doesn't really counter my point that the illness which the RNA and protein can cause, can be contagious.

It does. The SARS COV2 protein (antigens) produced by these mRNA sequences are biologically inert. They will induce an immune response, but will not cause any other biological effect. They are nonpathogenic.

originally posted by: InachMarbank

Also, the VAERS data is likely to be underreported IMO, because the loved ones of the deceased are not likely to admit they made a mistake by taking the vaccine.

It could also contain spurious data posted by anti-vaxers.

a reply to: EvilAxis

originally posted by: InachMarbank Also, the VAERS data is likely to be underreported IMO, because the loved ones of the deceased are not likely to admit they made a mistake by taking the vaccine.

It could also contain spurious data posted by anti-vaxers.

And this is what I believe lies at the heart of the problem.

There is no trust.

There is little trust in the government, in medicine, and each other.

Rebuilding that trust is a long ways off. We have a lot of work to do.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Sad to report that the medical profession, the medical industrial complex if you will, and governments and regulatory agencies like FDA, CDC and all the rest, have behaved so poorly, have been so dishonest that maybe an entire series of generations no longer have any faith whatsoever in their pronouncements.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Sad to report that the medical profession, the medical industrial complex if you will, and governments and regulatory agencies like FDA, CDC and all the rest, have behaved so poorly, have been so dishonest that maybe an entire series of generations no longer have any faith whatsoever in their pronouncements.

The distrust has increased exponentially.

When I was a young girl in the early fifties, all the old people used to warn us, "Don't trust the government".

They were right, and things are a hundred times worse then they were back then.

I remember the cartoons about the corrupt government. I lived in the south so the cartoons about the greedy and crooked carpet baggers were common. I don't think they realized that the two are the same thing.

a reply to: EvilAxis

The MRNA is obviously not immediately destroyed, otherwise the viral protein wouldn't have been detected at peak levels in blood samples 5 days after the first injection.

Looks like it takes an average of 5 days for an immune system to begin destroying it after the first injection.

originally posted by: EvilAxis

originally posted by: Jimy718

Yes, I know the MIT paper doesn't show the vaccine mRNA altering DNA, the author was quick to point this out. He continues to show an analogous method through which mRNA may alter One's DNA.

The MIT peer-reviewed paper, written by experts in the field, shows a mechanism by which the virus could alter human DNA. Your source who did has no training in virology, has no published peer-reviewed papers in that field (or any other), but sells essential oils, fails to show any plausible mechanism by which the vaccines could do the same.

Well done, since you can't do anything about the little science he showed, you try to attack his person...serious fail.

It appears that you are correct; he has little to no background in virology. However; according to his website...

Ph.D. in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, a master’s in Engineering Physics (concentration: Solid State Physics), and a bachelor’s in Engineering Physics (concentration: electrical engineering.)

I think a Ph.D in biochemistry and Molecular Biology might give him a 'leg up' in those areas, and, like it or not, this is straight-up Biochemistry they are using.

Go find, even a White Paper that shows him wrong. Then perhaps we can discuss...logically.

originally posted by: InachMarbank

The MRNA is obviously not immediately destroyed, otherwise the viral protein wouldn't have been detected at peak levels in blood samples 5 days after the first injection.

Looks like it takes an average of 5 days for an immune system to begin destroying it after the first injection.

I think you're confusing viral proteins (antigens) with the antibodies, which peak after about two weeks. The mRNA is very fragile, which is why it has to be packaged in lipid nanoparticles and stored at very low temperature in order to deliver it intact. It does not self-replicate, and can do nothing until it enters the ribosome to create the antigens - the spike protein. It's then destroyed. It cannot survive outside of the cells. Even if it could, it would pose no threat, because it can only produce antigens by entering cells - unlike the mRNA delivered by the virus, which instructs cells to produce more virus.

If you're wondering about the spike proteins, and what they might do, you might find this video helpfull.

originally posted by: InachMarbank
a reply to: EvilAxis

The study shows this MRNA vaccine caused the growth SARS COV2 proteins in the blood stream for 5 days after the first shot. How is that different than catching the SARS COV2 virus which causes the growth of SARS COV2 protein in your blood stream?

mRNA vaccine, and protein subunit vaccines (e.g. Novovax, which looks like a great vaccines) make one piece.

Real viruses are assembled, and are biologically active and have evolved to breach a cell's wall, and paratisise its replication mechanism. They're really dangerous and self-replicating.

It's like the difference between a T-800 Terminator with weapons which can also manufacture clones of itself (real virus) out of legitimate industrial machinery, vs a piece of a leg servo from a T-800 (the protein alone). That leg servo can't do anything on its own.

The vaccine is making antibodies to that 'leg servo' so it gets locked up and the terminator fails to be able to move and replicate, plus the vaccine induces plans to make drones called T-cells which blow up anything with that servo.

All this talk about 'natural immunity': well your natural immunity has fought off successfully many viruses that you never knew about, probably some of them were animal coronaviruses which have no known name that jumped to people but didn't get a population replicating foothold.

There's a major selection filter that you have to remember: any significant human infectious disease has a number of biological tricks to fool or bypass the natural human immune system---if it didn't, it wouldn't be known as a disease of any significance.

Look at smallpox: the worst infectious disease in history (extremely communicable, 10-30% death rate and major scarring in survivors). Human natural immunity was NEVER good enough to stop it. Native Americans with a diversified fully organic diet, fresh free-range grass fed bison, vegetables and fiber, plenty of vitamin D, tons of exercise and well adapted strong immune systems were blasted by smallpox.

Why is smallpox gone? Vaccinations. Only vaccinations. Nothing else did anything.

Vaccination is the most important medical invention in the history of human civilization. And people now are going crazy with the most ignorant conspiracies and pseudoscience.

Safe & effective vaccines, like the approved ones for Covid, are one area where I don't mind pharmaceutical companies making some money. They earned it.

a reply to: ultimatesaviorMessiah

The savior stalks me from climate debate to ats

originally posted by: Madviking

originally posted by: ForteanOrg
a reply to: Madviking

My dear man,

if you don't want to give people the impression that you're suggesting that natural immunity has gone out of business, you should not start your posting with "Natural immunity has gone out of business. It doesn't exist anymore and millions of years of evolution towards our immune system is completely ignored like it's not even a thing. ".



BTW: also, who exactly is fearmongering here..

Who are you responding to? Your response isn't even coherent.

I never said natural immunity is going out of business..

So, it isn't? Good thing then :-) as all vaccines require your natural immune system to work properly..

originally posted by: St0rD
There are so many obvious reasons as to how and why Covid is a freaking mascarade...
So many that it's almost impossible to give it all the credits it truly deserves in one post.

Still, I'll do my best to illustrate-

× Natural immunity has gone out of business. It doesn't exist anymore and millions of years of evolution towards our immune system is completely ignored like it's not even a thing. Did you even start to think about the fact they've never talked about our own body natural defenses all pandemic long? The first barrier that protects us from a virus is not even mentionned in mainstream medias for a full year. Fun fact, fear and anxiety destroy an immune system entirely... guess what they feed us all day?

× Somehow, freedom now resonates with vaccination. For a disease with merely 0.1% death rates, we still have to come with term of living within a new normal reality under total government's control over our lifes. To go back to the old normal, you must be injected with an experimental vaccine. How #ed up is that?

× They are considering making it mandatory for kids under 12 to be vaccinated in order to attend school legally. Considering those vaccines have proved side effects for childrens (like myocardis) and that they most likely won't be threatened by Covid anyway, why would they push for mandatory vaccination for that age group?

× At my work place I am now forced to be tested 3 times a week if I refuse the Covid vaccine. This new measure comes at the same time that my whole country enters the Green Zone, meaning Covid is absolutely under control. Even at peak pandemic, all employees were only asked to voluntarely be tested 1 time a week (which is now cancelled). Yet, now that we have close to 0 case in the country, they somehow decide to forcefully test the unvaccinated 3 times a week. Complete rubbish ofc and considering being vaccinated doesn't stop you from spreading the virus and being contagious, why would we be the only one tested?

× if the media didn't put so much empahasis on this new virus, you would probably never realized it even existed in the first place. How many of your own relatives you know got infected by Covid? Think about it. I've even seen them claim influenza didn't exist anymore and that it was only Covid now. LOL. # these guys...

× We fought so hard as a civilization to make freedom a thing, FOR LITERALLY THOUSAND OF YEARS we battled against the powers that be and yet we let it slide so easily for a stupid virus that can hardly kill my grand mother. I know what I'm talking about. I've seen covid first hand on the elders... not what you would expect....

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Let that sink in

As of July 20, 2021

Over the past 7 days....

In the USA - 7,700 deaths per day.

Only 256 of those 7,700 deaths per day have been due to Covid-19

Ref A: www.indexmundi.com...

Ref B: www.worldometers.info...

The #1 cause of death remains Cardiovascular diseases and issues.

Why isn't the Government and Medical Establishment putting their time, efforts, resources, energies, into reducing the things that cause the most deaths in America?

Focusing most of their attention on a minor killer like Covid-19 is illogical, misguided, and insane.

You may be able to clairfy this for me as I don't know as much about the US as I should.

Here in The UK our healthcare is nationalised so it makes sense to have preventative measures to minimise the cost of healthcare

As in the US it's all privatised and the general attitude seems to be to keep government control to a minimum wouldn't that be a lot harder to do?

Sorry of this seems stupid or outright wrong, as I said I'm from a whole different country.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: St0rD
There are so many obvious reasons as to how and why Covid is a freaking mascarade...
So many that it's almost impossible to give it all the credits it truly deserves in one post.

Still, I'll do my best to illustrate-

× Natural immunity has gone out of business. It doesn't exist anymore and millions of years of evolution towards our immune system is completely ignored like it's not even a thing. Did you even start to think about the fact they've never talked about our own body natural defenses all pandemic long? The first barrier that protects us from a virus is not even mentionned in mainstream medias for a full year. Fun fact, fear and anxiety destroy an immune system entirely... guess what they feed us all day?

× Somehow, freedom now resonates with vaccination. For a disease with merely 0.1% death rates, we still have to come with term of living within a new normal reality under total government's control over our lifes. To go back to the old normal, you must be injected with an experimental vaccine. How #ed up is that?

× They are considering making it mandatory for kids under 12 to be vaccinated in order to attend school legally. Considering those vaccines have proved side effects for childrens (like myocardis) and that they most likely won't be threatened by Covid anyway, why would they push for mandatory vaccination for that age group?

× At my work place I am now forced to be tested 3 times a week if I refuse the Covid vaccine. This new measure comes at the same time that my whole country enters the Green Zone, meaning Covid is absolutely under control. Even at peak pandemic, all employees were only asked to voluntarely be tested 1 time a week (which is now cancelled). Yet, now that we have close to 0 case in the country, they somehow decide to forcefully test the unvaccinated 3 times a week. Complete rubbish ofc and considering being vaccinated doesn't stop you from spreading the virus and being contagious, why would we be the only one tested?

× if the media didn't put so much empahasis on this new virus, you would probably never realized it even existed in the first place. How many of your own relatives you know got infected by Covid? Think about it. I've even seen them claim influenza didn't exist anymore and that it was only Covid now. LOL. # these guys...

× We fought so hard as a civilization to make freedom a thing, FOR LITERALLY THOUSAND OF YEARS we battled against the powers that be and yet we let it slide so easily for a stupid virus that can hardly kill my grand mother. I know what I'm talking about. I've seen covid first hand on the elders... not what you would expect....

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Let that sink in

As of July 20, 2021

Over the past 7 days....

In the USA - 7,700 deaths per day.

Only 256 of those 7,700 deaths per day have been due to Covid-19

Ref A: www.indexmundi.com...

Ref B: www.worldometers.info...

The #1 cause of death remains Cardiovascular diseases and issues.

Why isn't the Government and Medical Establishment putting their time, efforts, resources, energies, into reducing the things that cause the most deaths in America?

Focusing most of their attention on a minor killer like Covid-19 is illogical, misguided, and insane.

a reply to: St0rD

If masks and vaccines work why did we let violent criminals out of jail early instead of giving them masks and vaccinating them? They lost me right at the start with that bit of nonsense.

a reply to: EvilAxis

so a month later and the vaccines are not stopping the infections.

Booster shot is on it's way. Masks are coming back for the vaccinated.

So if the infections are weaker why do we need a booster?

a reply to: EvilAxis

How do you know the number of unvaccinated vulnerable is so high that non-vulnerable need to risk their lives to protect them.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Masks work a hell of a lot better than nothing.

The vaccines, even better than that.

a reply to: Phage

The vaccines, even better than that.

I am sure the Pfizer's Viagra was good to. For a Company like Pifzer and moderna with these two sketchy companies i am not going to be the guinea pig to find out.

a reply to: puzzled2

So if the infections are weaker why do we need a booster?

The basic concept is that immunity may be limited over time. Like with a tetanus shot.

But so far it's not really known if boosters are indicated. Of course, with Delta the paradigm has changed. So the actual situation might be closer to a vaccine targeted toward a certain strain rather than an actual "booster." Akin to flu shots, new vaccine each year.

a reply to: HawkEyi

For a Company like Pifzer and moderna with these two sketchy companies i am not going to be the guinea pig to find out.For a Company like Pifzer and moderna with these two sketchy companies i am not going to be the guinea pig to find out.

Are either one available in your country?

In English proper grammar would say "I am not going to be a guinea pig." Because there are very many millions of us guinea pigs. Not just one.