The Insanity behind Covid

a reply to: nonspecific

I have nothing against approved vaccines, I've voted for both sides in the past as well.

What I am against though is being experimented on over an excessively NON-lethal virus that humans manipulated in the first place via gain of function research.

To each their own but if you buy into this farce who knows where it ends? Turn off the news and live your life, let people who enjoy having freedoms akin to North Korea live in their little bubbles like the wimps they are.

So you have had a vaccene then? Because if not then you are not being experimented on are you?

And why are you so caught up with approval? What is it that happens when a government authority approves a treatment that is so important to you?

originally posted by: RussianSpy
a reply to: nonspecific

I have nothing against approved vaccines, I've voted for both sides in the past as well.

What I am against though is being experimented on over an excessively NON-lethal virus that humans manipulated in the first place via gain of function research.

To each their own but if you buy into this farce who knows where it ends? Turn off the news and live your life, let people who enjoy having freedoms akin to North Korea live in their little bubbles like the wimps they are.

originally posted by: RussianSpy
a reply to: nonspecific

I have nothing against approved vaccines, I've voted for both sides in the past as well.

What I am against though is being experimented on over an excessively NON-lethal virus that humans manipulated in the first place via gain of function research.

To each their own but if you buy into this farce who knows where it ends? Turn off the news and live your life, let people who enjoy having freedoms akin to North Korea live in their little bubbles like the wimps they are.

Errrm.. not like that in the UK.

How you getting on in Russia?

I don't think the eradication of smallpox started until the 1060's did it?


a reply to: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: Salander

Did you know that the human immune system can be strengthened in many ways, especially with good nutrition?

Not really. Unless it's compromised by lack of good nutrition, sleep, sunlight and exercise, depression or other health issues, the aging process, etc., you cannot and do not want to strengthen it. A balanced immune system is optimum - any stronger and it starts to turn against you.

originally posted by: Salander

Did you know that natural immunity is far superior to any offered by a vaccine?

I know that there are many viruses that most humans have either limited or no immunity to. Vaccines are one of medicine's greatest achievements, because they can give us immunity to diseases that would otherwise kill us.

Most humans' natural immunity to Covid is certainly not superior to that offered by any of the vaccines currently offered.

originally posted by: Salander

Did you know that these current shots are not vaccines at all?

I'm more interested in what they do and how they work, than what they're called. The companies making them call them vaccines, the health services administering them call them vaccines, they work like vaccines, they meet the medical and dictionary definition of the word vaccine... but if you want to call them something else, that's fine.

The whole "it's not a vaccene" thing is getting out of control now.

It's getting repeated by people like some kind of mantra yet when you ask them to explain they usually either go very quiet or give you a link to some random YouTube video.





a reply to: EvilAxis

a reply to: EvilAxis

The study shows this MRNA vaccine caused the growth SARS COV2 proteins in the blood stream for 5 days after the first shot. How is that different than catching the SARS COV2 virus which causes the growth of SARS COV2 protein in your blood stream?

The SARS COV2 protein hardly seems like an entirely benign antigen. It causes a pretty painful immune response. Today I literally can't smell sh##.

If this vaccine was an inactivated virus, like the Rabies vaccine, I probably wouldn't be so negative.

From what I have read, MRNA vaccines are E Coli bacteria refined through a strainer. And then they are transcribed into RNA using enzymes and chemicals. This RNA makes SARS COV2 protein in your body. Your immune system then flushes it out.

I have not found anywhere that says this vaccine is supplementing your body with antibodies. Just that it is stimulating an immune response. So it thus appears, it is not providing you with anything you don't already have. And the immune response is causing harm. No gain. Just pain.

Where have you found information that says the virus can replicate outside the body as you suggest? Everything I have read says it can only replicate in your body.

If SARS COV2 proteins are entirely inactivated in the body, then you are saying this virus isn't contagious. I don't think that's true.

a reply to: EvilAxis

Well yes, a compromised undernourished immune system was implied. That's rather the point.

Early on last year some data showed many of the infected had deficiency in Vitamin D and other nutrients.

Of course many facilities were too busy to test for vitamin or mineral deficiencies.

We didn't let freedom slide for a virus, we let it go through fear, intimidation and social pressure the likes of which we have never experienced before. They have spent every last iota of trust in our institutions and modern "medicine" to push this narrative without which they cannot install their one world government. They're liars, they know it and now are doubling down and using threats of government force. It's a very clever scam but far too many have caught on and the squirming to come will be epic though we will all likely suffer for their sins.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: EvilAxis

Well yes, a compromised undernourished immune system was implied. That's rather the point.

Early on last year some data showed many of the infected had deficiency in Vitamin D and other nutrients.

Of course many facilities were too busy to test for vitamin or mineral deficiencies.

I read about that last year. As I'd not seen sunlight for months, I took some
Vitamin D supplements for first time in my life. Clearly this can only help if you're deficient in the vitamin, and to what extent it may protect against Covid remains unclear. It's cheap and fairly safe - so why not?

But as I said - strengthening your immune system if it's fully functional isn't the answer. In fact some of the most adverse reactions to Covid have been caused by too strong a response from the immune system.

originally posted by: InachMarbank

The study shows this MRNA vaccine caused the growth SARS COV2 proteins in the blood stream for 5 days after the first shot. How is that different than catching the SARS COV2 virus which causes the growth of SARS COV2 protein in your blood stream?

There's a comprehensive explanation of how the different vaccine technologies work here

originally posted by: InachMarbank

The SARS COV2 protein hardly seems like an entirely benign antigen. It causes a pretty painful immune response. Today I literally can't smell sh##.

As far as I'm aware, that's not a known side-effect of any of the vaccines. As I suggested before, the way you describe it, it sounds like you may have been infected before you gained any vaccine immunity. Have you and your family tested for Covid?

originally posted by: InachMarbank

If this vaccine was an inactivated virus, like the Rabies vaccine, I probably wouldn't be so negative.

The mRNA vaccines don't contain any virus, inactivated or otherwise. The Janssen and AstraZeneca contain a non-infectious, non-replicating viral vector.

originally posted by: InachMarbank

I have not found anywhere that says this vaccine is supplementing your body with antibodies.

That's because it doesn't. Nor do any vaccines. That's not how they work. They stimulate your immune system to produce suitable antibodies.

You can transfuse blood plasma with suitable antibodies into an already infected patient to fight the disease, but this isn't a substitute for a vaccine. If it was, we would be lining up for blood infusions on a regular basis (instead of a couple of jabs). Much more efficient to teach the body how to make its own antibodies.

originally posted by: InachMarbank

Where have you found information that says the virus can replicate outside the body as you suggest? Everything I have read says it can only replicate in your body.

That's correct, the virus doesn't replicate outside the body. You were worried about viral proteins shed from a vaccinated person. I explained that, unlike the virus, they're harmless outside the body because they're not self-replicating. A person infected with Covid sheds live virus, which when transmitted to someone else, can replicate.

originally posted by: InachMarbank

If SARS COV2 proteins are entirely inactivated in the body, then you are saying this virus isn't contagious. I don't think that's true.

I'm saying the SARS COV2 proteins, without the machinery of the virus, cannot be contagious.

a reply to: EvilAxis

Inactivated virus vaccines, like rabies, seems harmless. Same for protein sub unit vaccine, like hepatitis b. Yes I think I see what you're saying, the viral protein can't replicate on its own. And if the genetic material in the virus is destroyed, the protein can't replicate.

However, should I get bit by a rabid coyote, wandering thru the ravine tonight, and I start exhibiting symptoms of rabies, then I go to the ER, I'm going to tell the doctor to supplement my rabies vaccine with human rabies immune globulin, cuz I don't think I'm gonna survive on the rabies vaccine alone.

I don't have any personal experience in my family with the COVID 19 viral vector vaccines, like Johnson and Johnson.

However the GAVI propaganda you forwarded seems to conflict with what you said, that they contain a non-infectious, non-replicating viral vector.

From GAVI...

"One type of virus that has often been used as a vector is adenovirus, which causes the common cold. As with nucleic acid vaccines, our own cellular machinery is hijacked to produce the antigen"

I thought the common cold was contagious. Can you please clarify?

I remain highly certain that the MRNA vaccines my wife and daughter took 7 days apart from each other have infected all the members of our household, including the 3 of us who never took them. The illnesses experienced by me and my sons have come in 2 separate waves of symptoms. We get a sore throat, then it gets flushed out. Then 7 days later the same thing happens. For me the 2nd wave was worse. That's probably because my wife got jabbed 7 days after my daughter, and I sleep in the same bed as my wife.

Loss of smell is a tell tale sign of COVID 19. Today my sense of smell has come back somewhat. But it's not at 100% yet. Let's hope tomorrow is not worse than today.

I suppose this is good news for me, that my wife and daughter weren't harmed more than me by the vaccine. Looks like we both got harmed similarly.

Given this personal experience, and considering the vaccine appears to be synthesized viral genetic material, RNA, I would say these vaccines are highly contagious. We can probably say everybody in the world has now been infected by the coronavirus which causes COVID 19.

Now there is the Delta Variant. Pfizer today said they would seek another emergency authorization approval to market another vaccine for this variant, but the WHO said that's not necessary.

a reply to: InachMarbank

That is an interesting story you tell regarding the uninjected living in close quarters with the injected. I've heard similar stories, and am concerned about them because I am uninjected and must, from time to time, be in close proximity to the injected.

For that reason I no longer shake hands with the injected, and do my best to remain socially distant from them.

a reply to: InachMarbank

It kinda sounds like you and your boys had a mild case of covid-19. Did your wife and daughter also have a sore throat and loss of smell?

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: InachMarbank

That is an interesting story you tell regarding the uninjected living in close quarters with the injected. I've heard similar stories, and am concerned about them because I am uninjected and must, from time to time, be in close proximity to the injected.

For that reason I no longer shake hands with the injected, and do my best to remain socially distant from them.

How do you know who's been injected?

originally posted by: InachMarbank

However the GAVI propaganda you forwarded seems to conflict with what you said, that they contain a non-infectious, non-replicating viral vector.

From GAVI...

"One type of virus that has often been used as a vector is adenovirus, which causes the common cold. As with nucleic acid vaccines, our own cellular machinery is hijacked to produce the antigen"

I thought the common cold was contagious. Can you please clarify?

If you read all of the "propaganda", you'll find the answer to that question:

Various viruses have been developed as vectors, including adenovirus (a cause of the common cold), measles virus and vaccinia virus. These vectors are stripped of any disease-causing genes and sometimes also genes that can enable them to replicate, meaning they are now harmless. The genetic instructions for making the antigen from the target pathogen are stitched into the virus vector’s genome.

And:

The COVID-19 viral vector vaccines under development use non-replicating viral vectors.

In other words, replicating viruses have been used in some of those old vaccines you're apparently not worried about, but not in any of the Covid vaccines.

One reason for this is that we already have some immunity to variants of the common cold, which would limit its efficacy as a vector.

originally posted by: InachMarbank

I remain highly certain that the MRNA vaccines my wife and daughter took 7 days apart from each other have infected all the members of our household, including the 3 of us who never took them. The illnesses experienced by me and my sons have come in 2 separate waves of symptoms. We get a sore throat, then it gets flushed out. Then 7 days later the same thing happens. For me the 2nd wave was worse. That's probably because my wife got jabbed 7 days after my daughter, and I sleep in the same bed as my wife.

Loss of smell is a tell tale sign of COVID 19. Today my sense of smell has come back somewhat. But it's not at 100% yet. Let's hope tomorrow is not worse than today.

As these are not the known side-effects of the vaccine, but are known symptoms of Covid, why don't you get tested for it? The test is widely available and easily done. If you do have Covid, I assume you would rather not pass it on to anyone else.

originally posted by: InachMarbank

Given this personal experience, and considering the vaccine appears to be synthesized viral genetic material, RNA, I would say these vaccines are highly contagious. We can probably say everybody in the world has now been infected by the coronavirus which causes COVID 19.

All of my extended family and most of my friends have now been vaccinated, with none of the symptoms you describe. I had two doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine which contains the non-replicating chimpanzee adenovirus. I'm eating more bananas now, but haven't noticed any increase in hair growth.

a reply to: EvilAxis

Doesn't sound like the viral vector vaccines are contagious.

But the MRNA vaccines most certainly are. And more of those are sold.

The viral vector vaccines get lower efficacy scores so probably why they don't sell as much.

originally posted by: InachMarbank

Doesn't sound like the viral vector vaccines are contagious.

Many of my friends had the Pfizer vaccine. They didn't suffer any of the symptoms you describe.

originally posted by: InachMarbank

But the MRNA vaccines most certainly are.

How have you arrived at 'certainly'? How can a vaccine which contains no virus at all possibly be contagious? What is the mechanism?

Again, I notice you don't answer my question about being tested for Covid.

a reply to: St0rD
I think the fact that you or your loved ones has not been affected tells me all I need to know.

I personally spent time in the hospital for a week, it was bad not being able to breath, but comparatively I was not to bad, the guy next to me in the ward has just gotten out of icu where he and his son had been on a ventilator for 4 weeks, but sadly after a few emergencies because I was listening to this guy's breathing he eventually had to go back to icu, I hope he made it, but I don't think so, I'm still haunted by how he was gasping for air.

My wife had it, but she had flu symptoms for like 5 days and got over it very easily. Which is funny, but I am eternally grateful.

At work our one manager lost 3 family members already, her sister, another college has permanent lung damage.

Our funeral parlors are running out of coffins.

I was also nonchalant about this whole thing and admittedly irresponsible for about a year, but when this virus hits close to home, then things change.