Anti-mask wearers are smarter than mask wearers, concludes MIT study.

originally posted by: neutronflux
Sorry. This is pointless. There is a real disconnect that is never going to be resolved.

If you think so I'm not keep on talking to myself.

I wear the cheap masks to just get into places. I fiddle with the cheap surgical masks because they can never seal as good as a half face respiratory. It might be the shape of my face, but no matter how I wear a cheap surgical mask I can fill the air slip between where the mask should meet my skin.

That's the most likely situation, as I don't have any problem with those masks but when I tried one of those cloth masks that have a rigid structure I had that problem.

That's the problem with all the "one size fits all" things, they rarely do.

a reply to: ArMaP

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That's the most likely situation, as I don't have any problem with those masks but when I tried one of those cloth masks that have a rigid structure I had that problem.

The mask with the rigid structure actual seals against the face, and actual filters the air. That is why it’s harder to breath in a N-95 mask. The reason a cheap surgical mask is easier to breath in, is due to the fact the air bypasses the cloth material, and passes in the gaps between the skin and mask.

Again. The study found “ medical-grade procedure mask with ear loops (38.5%),“ Compared to “ a surgical mask with ties (71.5%)” that you can actual tie down to seal better against the skin.

originally posted by: liliththedestroyer
It's always the pro mask idiots who freak out the most, not the anti maskers.

That's normal, as the "pro mas idiots" are afraid of being infected while the "anti mask idiots" want everybody to go maskless, even against their will.

My husband and I didn;t have our masks on when we went to vote, and the Karen in front of us tolld us both to keep our distance, and then told the lady accepting signatures, that we were breaking the rules, and we shouldn't be allowed to vote! Yet people think anti-maskers become unhinged? LOL

Some do.

The problem is that today, the "idiot rate" of society is very high, so all the idiots want the world to be like they want and react badly when they see that it isn't.

a reply to: neutronflux

I thought it was pointless...
... and it look like you still don't understand that I'm not talking about that.

Yes, a mask with a rigid structure around to help create a full contact between the face and the mask, preventing any air from "spilling" around the mask is a better defence against any foreign object entering our respiratory system than a loose fitting mask (obviously), but that wasn't the point.

It doesn't matter how many studies you find about topic B when I'm talking about topic A.

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: neutronflux

I thought it was pointless...
... and it look like you still don't understand that I'm not talking about that.

Yes, a mask with a rigid structure around to help create a full contact between the face and the mask, preventing any air from "spilling" around the mask is a better defence against any foreign object entering our respiratory system than a loose fitting mask (obviously), but that wasn't the point.

It doesn't matter how many studies you find about topic B when I'm talking about topic A.

I don’t know why you don’t needed to adjust your mask. When I wear a cheap surgical mask, I am constantly fiddling with it because I am combating the air “spilling” around the edges. “Spillage” that increases in a looped ear surgical masks as I become more active. If the air is “spilling” around the edges as evidence by safety glasses fogging up. Then the mask is pretty useless.

a reply to: ArMaP

I haven't encountered anyone that wants everyone to be prohibited from wearing masks.

The vast majority of people are just tired of the authoritarian BS being pushed over a BS pandemic and want to be left alone.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: ArMaP

I haven't encountered anyone that wants everyone to be prohibited from wearing masks.

Have you at least encountered people that think that everyone that uses a mask is to be despised? I have seen several of those on ATS.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: ArMaP

I haven't encountered anyone that wants everyone to be prohibited from wearing masks.

Have you at least encountered people that think that everyone that uses a mask is to be despised? I have seen several of those on ATS.

I was taught in industry if your mask doesn’t seal tight / right, it’s useless. And OSHA is full of statistics of those sick or dead from having an improper seal, not wearing a mask right.

Then, if you come from a contaminated area. Be it chemical, biological, nuclear contamination, improperly disposed of masks can be dangerous to health.

Now. There are millions of people than don’t don their masks correctly, wear them correctly, wearing masks that cannot creat a seal, and landfills are filling up with masks disposed of with no controls. It’s an utter joke.

a reply to: ArMaP

And passing a physical and being fit tested is part of being able to safely wear a respirator.

a reply to: ArMaP

Yeah, people wearing masks and faceshields with gloves on while alone in their cars should be mocked.

a reply to: liliththedestroyer

It's always the pro mask idiots who freak out the most, not the anti maskers.

Interesting..here on ATS, 97% of the Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, is from you guys/gals.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: ketsuko

Sweating makes a big difference!

You must not work out in them then.

As soon as I get that sweat-heavy mask sucking up against my face, it triggers my brain. I have both asthma and claustrophobia, and my brain thinks I'm having issues with that and smothering. So I start to fight it and end up hyperventilating. It's miserable, and I never adapted to it.

Needless to say, as soon as the mandates dropped, I dropped the mask, and suddenly ... I could breathe again.

During the winter it wasn't too bad as long as you didn't do activities that caused you to breath hard, but boy warm it up some and do something like play basketball and it is pretty much unbearable.

Sparring practice in the un-A/Ced dojang at 75+% humidity ... *cough*

We only did that one once. And it was the one that convinced me that no matter what everyone else was doing, I was taking that mask off as soon as the restrictions said I could.

Deep irony that a paper showing how antimaskers try to use appeals to scientific authority to defend their stance is used by antimaskers to defend their stance.

The OP's cherry picked line does not mean 'anti-mask wearers are smarter than mask wearers'. It means they think they are.

Paradoxically, these groups also seek ways to validate their findings through the scientific establishment. Many users prominently display their scientific credentials (e.g., referring to their doctoral degrees or prominent publications in venues like Nature) which uniquely qualify them as insiders who are most well-equipped to criticize the scientific community. Members who perform this kind of expertise often point to 2013 Nobel Laureate Michael Levitt’s assertion that lockdowns do nothing to save lives [67] as another indicator of scientific legitimacy. Both Levitt and these anti-mask groups identify the dangerous convergence of science and politics as one of the main barriers to a more reasonable and successful pandemic response, and they construct their own data visualizations as a way to combat what they see as health misinformation. “To be clear. I am not downplaying the COVID epidemic,” said one user. “I have never denied it was real. Instead, I’ve been modeling it since it began in Wuhan, then in Europe, etc. […] What I have done is follow the data. I’ve learned that governments, that work for us, are too often deliberately less than transparent when it comes to reporting about the epidemic” (July 17, 2020). For these anti-mask users, their approach to the pandemic is grounded in a more scientific rigor, not less.

a reply to: watchitburn

I never saw one like that, have you?

a reply to: ArMaP

I have. Quite a few actually.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: IndieA

The Church of the Fauci Mask will be here soon to mock you and label you a heretic for defying the sacred mask.

All take a knee to the masked-one.

Amen.

Don't forget. Feelings matter over facts. It matters not what MIT says cause it doesn't fit the emotional feelings of certain cult members.

Btw us Anti Mask wearers actually keep breathing something called oxygen. There is a reason why breathing back in your own breath can damage your health. But what do I know? I'm just a sovereign man.

originally posted by: SoulSurfer

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: IndieA

The Church of the Fauci Mask will be here soon to mock you and label you a heretic for defying the sacred mask.

All take a knee to the masked-one.

Amen.

Don't forget. Feelings matter over facts. It matters not what MIT says cause it doesn't fit the emotional feelings of certain cult members.

They certainly do to people who believe the thread title since that's not what the MIT study says.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Most people only had access to the cheapest possible mask. Is that false. I work in industry, and couldn’t even buy N-95 masks for about 6 months for my plant.

Now

medical-grade procedure mask with ear loops (38.5%) (efficient),

jamanetwork.com...

Would you go into a biological hotspot, like a pandemic, with only a mask over 60 percent ineffective?

The mask mandates were just used as an illusion to facilitate the government was doing something.

a reply to: Xtrozero

The covid infection has a very high survival rate.

Your response sounds like language from a pharmaceutical advertising brochure.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: ScepticScot

Most people only had access to the cheapest possible mask. Is that false. I work in industry, and couldn’t even buy N-95 masks for about 6 months for my plant.

Now

medical-grade procedure mask with ear loops (38.5%),

Would you go into a biological hotspot, like a pandemic, with only a mask over 60 percent ineffective?

The mask mandates were just used as an illusion to facilitate the government was doing something.

I think it's considerably better than 0% and when used on addition to other measures, such as social distancing and increased cleaning, reduces substantially the level of transmission.