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Anti-mask wearers are smarter than mask wearers, concludes MIT study.

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posted on May, 27 2021 @ 05:51 AM
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a reply to: neutronflux

It’s one part of other measures you can take...

Here’s a question.

If you were on a bus and someone next to you was coughing and spluttering, would you rather them have a mask or no mask?


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posted on May, 27 2021 @ 05:55 AM
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originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: neutronflux

It’s one part of other measures you can take...

Here’s a question.

If you were on a bus and someone next to you was coughing and spluttering, would you rather them have a mask or no mask?



I don’t ride the buss. I do suffer from allergies that make me cough, and sneeze in fits . So, no. I’m not going to treat people like they are a plague carrier.

Any other stupid questions.



posted on May, 27 2021 @ 06:16 AM
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a reply to: Chadwickus

But it is nice to live in a society you cough because of pollen people stare at you like you have the mark of the beast. And those that don’t wear masks are homicidal psychopath out to kill grandma and grandpa.

Now. Don’t tell me there is a not a concerted effort to dehumanize each other....
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posted on May, 27 2021 @ 06:28 AM
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a reply to: neutronflux

I’ve always tried to not share my germs if I’m sick, and have always disliked it when people don’t care about spreading theirs.

More power to you if you’re fine with people coughing in your face.

It’s not a stupid question by the way, your lack of an answer is what’s stupid. I imagine it’s because deep down you would be quite annoyed about it...if only there was something you or that person could do to minimise spreading germs...

I caught swine flu from an ATM, it’s that easy. Maybe that’s why I’m a germaphobe..


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posted on May, 27 2021 @ 06:31 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
What’s the check to see if a cloth / surgical mask is sealed?

None, as they do not work that way.
So, again, I ask: what's that got to do with what I was talking about, masks needing constant adjustments or being well fitted?


LOL
That’s because the N-95 is actually filtering the air, and protecting you. Unlike a surgical/ cloth mask were air and contaminates are bypassing where the mask fails to seal against your face. Its also like the N-95 masks and half face respirators that have an exit valve. They don’t protect the people around you from what you are exhaling because it goes through the exit valve unfiltered.

They protect less than a N-95 mask, obviously, but they protect more (both ways) than not wearing one.


If a mask is moist/wet from sweat, snot, and / or slobber, then the air that is forced through the wet media will carry droplets. When you breath out, there is a possibility your spraying your body fluids around. What’s the whole point of wearing a cloth /surgical mask?

Again, that was not what I was talking about.

As we say in Portugal, I was talking about garlics and you answered about galls.

My post was specifically about the supposed necessity of mask wearers to constantly adjust them, and I said that a well fitted mask doesn't need to be constantly adjusted. Just that.
I wasn't comparing surgical masks with N95 masks or talking about how a humid mask stops being as effective as it was when dry (they should be replaced when humid).



posted on May, 27 2021 @ 06:33 AM
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originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: neutronflux

I’ve always tried to not share my germs if I’m sick, and have always disliked it when people don’t care about spreading theirs.

I caught swine flu from an ATM, it’s that easy.


How do you know? Why not the bus? Then don’t use the ATM.

You share “germs” by just touching a surface. Or shaking hands.

PPE. Personal protective equipment is to protect you. If your mask protects you, why care what other people do. Wear your mask, and go on your merry way.



posted on May, 27 2021 @ 06:35 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
Cloth / surgical masks, the security blankets of the pandemic to create an illusion your going something..,.

Or the cheapest way of complying with government regulations.



PS: sometimes I use the masks in situations where they aren't mandatory, but I use them because they help me with my allergies.



posted on May, 27 2021 @ 06:35 AM
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a reply to: ArMaP

Article I posted answered all you questions...

Now. Just for you


I do agree the N-95 masks are effective. So. Why wasn’t there a push by the government to ensure a supply of N-95’s if policy makers think masks worn by the general population makes a difference? I guess N-95 masks can have a filter efficiency up to 98 percent.

Food for though... in a lab...




In a laboratory atmosphere, with all tests performed on a single individual for consistency, Clapp et al2 found variable fitted filtration efficiencies against the test aerosol among the face masks that ranged from approximately 25% to 80%. Comparatively, a National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health–approved N95 respirator had a filtration efficiency of approximately 98%. Notably, the filtration efficiency of some of the consumer-grade masks, such as a washed 2-layer nylon mask with ear loops and an aluminum nose bridge (79.0%), exceeded that of a medical-grade procedure mask with ear loops (38.5%), and a surgical mask with ties (71.5%).

jamanetwork.com...


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posted on May, 27 2021 @ 06:43 AM
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a reply to: neutronflux

I see you still don't understand that I was not talking about that...



posted on May, 27 2021 @ 06:49 AM
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originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: neutronflux

I see you still don't understand that I was not talking about that...


“ medical-grade procedure mask with ear loops (38.5%)” efficiency are not a well fitted mask. A N-95 mask that is ridged enough to seal against your face is a well fitted mask. The mask you claim “ That's one of the reasons I don't like them, they make it harder to breath than surgical masks. ”



posted on May, 27 2021 @ 07:36 AM
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a reply to: ArMaP

Are you fitting and adjusting for comfort?

When I refer to “adjusting”, I am referring to having to reposition the mask to maintain its correct orientation to maintain filtering. Not adjusting for comfort. I constantly fiddle with my surgical mask when I go into a place with a mask requirement because I know how a well fitting mask that seals feels like. It’s like only having the cheapest walking shoes available, and wearing them as if they protected your feet like steel toed boots at a welding shop.
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posted on May, 27 2021 @ 08:01 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
“ medical-grade procedure mask with ear loops (38.5%)” efficiency are not a well fitted mask.

I suppose we have a language problem here.

When I say "well fitted mask" I am talking about a mask that was well fitted according to their characteristics, as in a "well fitted glove".
I'm not talking about a mask that has a perfect contact interface with the wearer.

Any mask, regardless of their type, can be badly fitted by the wearer.

Now, if "fitted" isn't the right word to described the situation, what do you suggest? English is not my first (or second) language and I like to learn.



posted on May, 27 2021 @ 08:05 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
Are you fitting and adjusting for comfort?

No, for efficiency. If I'm in a place where the mask is not really needed but I am going to move to a place where it is needed I may adjust it for comfort for that short period of time. If it's a longer period I take the mask off.


When I refer to “adjusting”, I am referring to having to reposition the mask to maintain its correct orientation to maintain filtering.

Does that mean that the mask changes position/shape/whatever?



posted on May, 27 2021 @ 08:22 AM
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a reply to: ArMaP

Sorry. This is pointless. There is a real disconnect that is never going to be resolved. I wear the cheap masks to just get into places. I fiddle with the cheap surgical masks because they can never seal as good as a half face respiratory. It might be the shape of my face, but no matter how I wear a cheap surgical mask I can fill the air slip between where the mask should meet my skin. The study cited confirms this is the case for most people. Especially the different between a general surgical mask that has ear loops vs one you tie.As seen in efficiency. “ medical-grade procedure mask with ear loops (38.5%), and a surgical mask with ties (71.5%).”


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posted on May, 27 2021 @ 08:29 AM
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This is too, funny that woman just made a massive fool of herself. I am not into wearing masks at all, you should see how people who wear masks around me. Yesterday, I was in Walmart returning an item, not wearing a mask, three people ahead of me were. Two girls turned around saw me and glared at me, I just smiled at them. This older lady ahead of me looked like she was going to have an emotional break down after seeing me, she kept looking at me like i had three heads.

It's always the pro mask idiots who freak out the most, not the anti maskers. My husband and I didn;t have our masks on when we went to vote, and the Karen in front of us tolld us both to keep our distance, and then told the lady accepting signatures, that we were breaking the rules, and we shouldn't be allowed to vote! Yet people think anti-maskers become unhinged? LOL



posted on May, 27 2021 @ 09:01 AM
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a reply to: liliththedestroyer

Like I said in my other post, "ant-masker" is a lefty label. I'm sure neither you or I care if someone feels they need to mask up. We aren't out there mocking them or harassing them to take them off. We just want to be left alone to make our own choices. "Anti-Masker" paints you as the bad guy and aggressor, which is the opposite of the truth.



posted on May, 27 2021 @ 10:34 AM
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Why do drs wear masks when performing surgery since the. Beginning?

Of all the.... I already answered this IN THIS THREAD! Heck, you don't even have to open a new page... here's the pop-up version!

The premise of the OP is being proved, beyond any reasonable shadow of a doubt, right here where people are demonstrating either their inability or unwillingness to read. And I'm done... I'm bookmarking that link and I will just post a link to it from now on. No more trying to talk to people who are not going to even make a half-hearted attempt to understand what they are talking about.

I've lived my life around people who raise livestock. One can do the same thing with a cow... do whatever you want to a cow next to them, beat it to death, cut its throat, makes no difference... a cow will simply look at what is going on with no thought or concern about what's happening. They cannot learn by observation, and apparently anyone who is convinced by the media to wear these breathing restrictors cannot learn either.

And no, you're dead wrong... surgical face masks during surgery are actually not that old. They were introduced long, long after the "Beginning." The very first mention of a mask in surgery was in 1897, and widespread use didn't start until several years later. Even today, there are suggestions that they do not help as much as the media would like people to believe. The only thing we know for sure is they "might" help prevent contamination of an open wound and they "do" put patients at ease.

Sheesh... everybody say "Mooooooo......"

TheRedneck



posted on May, 27 2021 @ 10:57 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

Sweating makes a big difference!

You must not work out in them then.

As soon as I get that sweat-heavy mask sucking up against my face, it triggers my brain. I have both asthma and claustrophobia, and my brain thinks I'm having issues with that and smothering. So I start to fight it and end up hyperventilating. It's miserable, and I never adapted to it.

Needless to say, as soon as the mandates dropped, I dropped the mask, and suddenly ... I could breathe again.



During the winter it wasn't too bad as long as you didn't do activities that caused you to breath hard, but boy warm it up some and do something like play basketball and it is pretty much unbearable.



posted on May, 27 2021 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck

And no, you're dead wrong... surgical face masks during surgery are actually not that old. They were introduced long, long after the "Beginning." The very first mention of a mask in surgery was in 1897, and widespread use didn't start until several years later. Even today, there are suggestions that they do not help as much as the media would like people to believe. The only thing we know for sure is they "might" help prevent contamination of an open wound and they "do" put patients at ease.

Sheesh... everybody say "Mooooooo......"

TheRedneck



I think everyone can agree that masks help at some level, but we really do not know if just social distancing and thinking about limiting your exposure time to others is what really helps the most. I really don't have issues with wearing a mask when you are around a large group of people you do not know in close proximity, but the vast majority of what we experienced has been nothing more than a hyperbole reaction from the left to anything Trump said or did.

Trump closes down airline travel and the left danced in the streets of Chinatowns calling him a racist and to come out and party like its 1999.

Governors were like lemmings in none did anything until one went over the lockdown cliff then they all followed, they also would not open up until the same thing happened. Outside of a few rogue states like TX and FL most were sheep. Trump had big concerns to what long term lockdowns would do and pushed to open up while only locking down areas of flareups, but liberal Governors said hell no and locked down hard killing many businesses, so the vast majorly of what we saw as lockdowns was mainly a jab at Trump for wanting to open back up more than anything else. I would bet if Trump said up front we needed to lock down hard for a year the liberals would have stayed open in spite of him.

Trump said masks should be a choice and limited and that became a virtual signally siren from the left at an extreme level to wear masks 24/7 or even double them up. Make even kids and babies wear them, and holy hell if you are all by yourself on a beach without one, or not wearing for many viable reasons.

Trump said we need to open schools and nope...just now opening up when we know COVID has almost no effects on the young. Many schools are still looking to stay close next year.

Hard isolation of the old and other high risk while letting the virus run its course would have caused most likely less lives lost and reached heard immunity very quickly. We can look at FL where spring break went on and they got some flare ups but everyone was young, my kid went back to college even though classes were online and they passed COVID around like it was a party joint. Pullman WA for about 3 weeks had the highest rate in the world... They all got it and were over it in a few days with hardly one day of low fever.

I often wonder if it wasn't an election year how would have things played out differently...


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posted on May, 27 2021 @ 11:40 AM
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Just need a little common sense and the ability to think for yourself. I could fully understand the older generation wearing them, but everyone else was fine from the beginning. Hell, we were all exposed to this junk in November 2019. The masses just hadn't been told to be afraid of it at that point. Like Biden lurking behind the shoulders of a 10 year old white girl, you're not scared because you don't know it's there. At least the 10 year old white girls have something dangerous to fear when they feel breathing and look up to see an old white man's head coming down towards their ear.



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