Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

a reply to: Boadicea

That mentioned 'Bubble' is one bigly huge space , glad to be a part of it ... The company in this case is more enjoyable than the journey .... In most cases ..

a reply to: carewemust

OANN has recently become the 4th largest in ratings behind CNN Fox and MSDNC.

You cant stop the signal

originally posted by: MetalThunder
a reply to: Boadicea

That mentioned 'Bubble' is one bigly huge space , glad to be a part of it ... The company in this case is more enjoyable than the journey .... In most cases ..

I heartily second that! It's not a ride any of use wanted to take, but we've been in some fine company along the way.

originally posted by: carewemust
Then what authority has to rule that Donald Trump actually won arizona, in order for ABC CBS CNN New York times Washington Post to report it?

This is purely the prerogative of the State Legislature. This is a Constitutional function and duty. Imnsho, not reviewable by any court (that would be a blatant violation of the separation of powers).

Maricopa County asks audit to keep documents for possible legal action

Maricopa County on Friday sent a litigation hold and preservation notice to Senate President Karen Fann asking that contractors and others associated with the the election audit preserve documents and evidence for possible legal action.

The four-page notice, sent by Maricopa County Attorney Allister Adel, comes in the same week the county has fought back against a claim from the audit’s Twitter account that election databases were deleted and evidence spoiled.

“It is clear the Arizona Senate and its contractors do not intend to retract false allegations defaming the County and its employees,” Maricopa County Chairman Jack Sellers said in a statement.

“For that reason, Maricopa County is formally requesting Senate President Fann, Senator Petersen, Senate liaison Ken Bennett and contractors involved in the ‘audit’ preserve documents and evidence as they may be subject to future legal claims.”

Well, on the plus side, at least they're not pretending that the deleted database statement was not "walked back," "taken back," or otherwise misrepresented.

a reply to: Boadicea

This is a joke, right?

4. Please preserve all physical cellular and/or computer/tablet devices

(“Devices”)

owned or you and your agents, clients and contractors for the “audit” of Maricopa County’s

election equipment and ballots, as well as any subcontractors that they or you have retained,

employed, or utilized in any way in the furtherance of your “audit.”

Please note that these devices must be preserved in their entirety, for forensic imaging and ESI.

This is pretty funny too, the county trying to flip the script:

A failure to preserve these materials could prove detrimental to the legal interests of our clients. The case law in Arizona and the Ninth Circuit empower the trial courts to impose significant sanctions against parties who fail to preserve evidence. The body of case law includes the imposition of potentially significant sanctions for the willful destruction of evidence as well as non-willful and non-bad faith failure to preserve evidence.

a reply to: IndieA

As another poster remarked about another article... it reads like the Babylon Bee!

I've been trying to figure out what the county's end game is, and I'm wondering if it's nothing more than trying to ultimately gag the Senate and auditors from revealing what they find as it may "defame" the County officials. Since the audit contract stipulates no findings released until the final report, the County may be figuring they have a good 6 weeks (probably more) to get a judge to issue a gag order or injunction on that final report.

At best, it would only buy them some time, because the truth will come out sooner or later.

But I can't figure out what else they hope to gain. The #MaricopaAudit Twitter screwed up by directly blaming Maricopa County for deleting the database. It was probably Dominion that did it. But, obviously the "County" did nothing... it was a person acting as an agent for the County. Which would include those authorized and empowered to act for the County by County officials. Which would apply to anything Dominion. So it's a fine law to argue (although there are probably precedents...)

This just gets crazier and crazier.

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: carewemust

OANN has recently become the 4th largest in ratings behind CNN Fox and MSDNC.

You cant stop the signal

That is a stunning statistic! One American News Network epitomizes what unwavering support of Trump-MAGA looks like.

And demonstrates what a TURD POS Two-faced traitor FOX NEWS is, for supporting candidate Joe Biden during the Fall of 2020.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: carewemust
Then what authority has to rule that Donald Trump actually won arizona, in order for ABC CBS CNN New York times Washington Post to report it?

This is purely the prerogative of the State Legislature. This is a Constitutional function and duty. Imnsho, not reviewable by any court (that would be a blatant violation of the separation of powers).

It would be PERFECT if the Arizona State Legislature, the same entity who chose the Presidential electors, called a big press conference to reveal the audit findings. Afterwards, the findings should be published online.

a reply to: IndieA

Are the paranoid Maricopa county supervisors now fully cooperating with the court-ordered audit, and the team performing it?

If not, they have no basis to request anything from the audit team.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: IndieA

Are the paranoid Maricopa county supervisors now fully cooperating with the court-ordered audit, and the team performing it?

If not, they have no basis to request anything from the audit team.

Do you really think that anyone other than CyberNinjas are taking this seriously? Really?

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

Do you really think that anyone other than CyberNinjas are taking this seriously? Really?

Do you really think that the Supervisors are NOT taking this seriously? The County Recorder? The County Attorney? They are NOT taking this seriously? Really???

For the last week, the County has fueled the news on this audit through their own words and deeds. There is definitely something about this audit that they are taking VERY seriously. It isn't necessarily mass election fraud. It could be many things that they don't want to be found or known. But there's sure something!

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

Do you really think that anyone other than CyberNinjas are taking this seriously? Really?

Do you really think that the Supervisors are NOT taking this seriously? The County Recorder? The County Attorney? They are NOT taking this seriously? Really???

For the last week, the County has fueled the news on this audit through their own words and deeds. There is definitely something about this audit that they are taking VERY seriously. It isn't necessarily mass election fraud. It could be many things that they don't want to be found or known. But there's sure something!

(Tired sigh)
Oh come off it. It's a joke and a bad one at that. We have reached the point where GOP officials are threatening to have their own people arrested. The bamboo nonsense was bad enough, but we have now reached even nuttier theories about people claiming that ballots were fed to chickens that were then destroyed to 100% deal with the evidence.
Arizona officials are even saying that the voting machines will have to be replaced because they don't know what these CyberNinja idiots have done to them.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

(Tired sigh)
Oh come off it. It's a joke and a bad one at that.

A "joke" that has the County Attorney threatening the Senators and auditors and everyone involved with the audit isn't very funny.

We have reached the point where GOP officials are threatening to have their own people arrested.

And? So? Because Republicans are perfect? They can't be corrupt just like anyone else? For those of us who realized long long ago that both parties are corrupt as sin, that's not a shocker.

The bamboo nonsense was bad enough, but we have now reached even nuttier theories about people claiming that ballots were fed to chickens that were then destroyed to 100% deal with the evidence.

Where did that nonsense come from about the chickens? And it is nonsense. What's the point of starting a huge fire to kill thousands of chickens that already ate the evidence?

I didn't hear anything about that until the anti-auditors started squawking about it this week. I heard about the shredded ballots which are still in the woman's possession (not eaten by chickens). And I heard about the fire at Hickman Farms, which was quite sad. But I didn't hear any ridiculousness about chickens eating the shredded ballots until this week, and searches don't show any results prior to this week. It sounds to me like someone made it up just to discredit the audit. Nothing more and nothing less.

Arizona officials are even saying that the voting machines will have to be replaced because they don't know what these CyberNinja idiots have done to them.

Good. I hope they can't find the funds to replace them and we go back to good old fashioned paper ballots, and lose the damn leasing fees that we're paying out the patootie at the same time.

But their reasons for decertifying the machines are ridiculous. The Senate has ultimate authority and duty over everything elections. Whatever authority the County has over elections is granted by the Senate. The Senate can hire and contract with outside persons and companies, just like the County hired and contracted with Dominion. The County doesn't give the Senate their marching orders... The Senate gives the County their marching orders.
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For all the whining and crying in too many corners, enough wrongdoing has already been uncovered for the Senate to make some effective and practical reforms to the election system. Even if no criminal fraud/tampering/interference took place, we already know there was too much recklessness and sloppiness taking place to ensure a fair and free election. It's not "if," just "how much" we don't know. If it wasn't fully exploited and compromised this election, thank Heaven! But it still needs to be corrected before corrupt critters figure it out for the next election, and the one after that, and so on.

We've already won that battle!

Seventeen states and Washington, D.C., require a voter-verifiable paper record for voting machines.

To meet this requirement, jurisdictions may use paper ballots and scanners, or an electronic voting machine (DRE) equipped with a device that produces a paper record that a voter can verify before the final act of casting a ballot. Note that some states in this group may have the requirement for a voter-verifiable paper record but have not had the funding to replace voting equipment in recent years, so in practice may have machines without a paper trail.

Included: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Idaho, Maine, Maryland, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Utah, West Virginia and Wisconsin.

That's pretty sad with the amount on money we spend on needless things in this country.

It has pdf links for states requirements down below that quote at the link. It has a lot of info.


www.ncsl.org...

Well this isn't good...

Windham New Hampshire Auditors: “Fold Effect” Big Enough To Account For Discrepancies–Might Not Be All That Is Going On

The above link quotes the WindhamNHAuditors Twitter extensively; or you can read through their Twitter if you prefer:

WindhamNHAuditors Twitter

The fold effect is large enough to account for discrepancies, but might not be all that’s going on. 75 folded ballots voted straight Republican. Only 48 votes recorded for them. Folds generated overvotes. This is machine used on Election Day 4 most absentee ballots #NHPolitics

Phase 3 out of 5 done. Test decks proved that foldings across a vote targets is misinterpreted as additional phantom votes or subtracts votes due to false overvotes. 2 machines used generated very different rates of this. Machine audit examine that. #electionsecurity @WAuditors

We now have experimental confirmation that if the contest is undervoted, a fold through a vote target can create a vote. None of the 65 ballots was marked for St. Laurent, but the machines interpreted 25 of the folds as votes for her. #NHPolitics

Gateway Pundit reports that this could affect three more states in the northeast.

a reply to: Boadicea

If this was a problem during elections why was there only a 16 percent discrepancy during the audit? This is far lower than the error rate they show. Hopefully, the people running the machines were smart enough to straighten out the ballots it's not rocket science. I suppose this might have been the difference the audit found but If it is an overvote the machine kicks it out for manual review. So I'm not sure what this shows.

a reply to: dragonridr

Manual review = adjudication

originally posted by: IndieA
a reply to: dragonridr

Manual review = adjudication

And? Its the only way to get the vote counted if it won't read. though if they were smart they would unfold them put something on top of them and run them through later. If they were smart.

Scarborough Has MELTDOWN Over Maricopa