Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

originally posted by: alphabetaone
in reply to: tanstaafl
"I trust my own capacity for rational independent thought."

Anyone who does, hardly needs to scream it from the rooftops.

Agreed. So, why are you constantly screaming on here about your faith in your government petty-tyrant-wanne-be overlords?

"Said the clueless sycophant on ATS without any capacity for rational independent thought whatsoever."

An emotional mess......get that looked at. Emotion leads to mistakes, and you're very emotional.

Rotflmao! Please... just stop...

The cowards are already whining fraud in the Virginia election.

Where the hell has everyone’s integrity gone?

Pathetic.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

your faith in your government petty-tyrant-wanne-be overlords?

So, you're anti-government, yet you're on a thread insisting that governmental laws should work for you?

originally posted by: tanstaafl
Rotflmao! Please... just stop...

It's becoming clear to me. You spend so much of your assless time on the floor, why you couldn't possibly see whats in front of you.

originally posted by: knoxie
The cowards are already whining fraud in the Virginia election.

Where the hell has everyone’s integrity gone?

Pathetic.

Hmmmmm..... I assume you are referring to this:

Lawsuit claims Fairfax Co. is ignoring absentee ballot rules

When submitting absentee ballot applications by mail, Virginia voters are required under state law to include the last four digits of their Social Security number as a way to prove that they are who they say they are.

The lawsuit, which cites someone who physically examined hundreds of applications, claims that the county’s elections office has accepted more than 300 applications that don’t include those numbers.

In a brief statement, Fairfax County General Registrar Scott Konopasek disputed that claim.

“The Office of Elections is processing absentee ballot requests in accordance with the laws of Virginia,” Konopasek said. “Voters in Fairfax County can continue to have confidence in their elections.”

Yes? So breaking the law obviously isn't a problem for you. Indeed, you consider those who want the law to be followed as lacking "integrity" and "pathetic." Gotcha. So I'm sure you'll be quite happy to know that the case was dismissed for... wait for it... lack of standing.

Judge dismisses lawsuit claiming Fairfax County broke absentee ballot rules

The suit, filed last week by the Virginia Institute for Public Policy, said that the office was approving mailed absentee-ballot applications of voters who hadn’t provided the last four digits of their Social Security number, as required by law. It included an affidavit by a woman who said she had seen that more than 300 such applications had been approved.

In its written response, the elections office pointed to Virginia law that says such a suit can only be brought by an “aggrieved voter,” a candidate or a candidate’s campaign or party. The Virginia Institute for Public Policy, being a nonprofit corporation, isn’t any of those, and on Friday, Judge Michael Devine agreed that they didn’t have standing to sue.

Isn't this special? The elections office defaults to the law to stop anyone from stopping them from breaking the law! And despite the earlier lying liar protestations to the contrary, the elections officials ADMIT they are breaking the law:

The defendants don’t claim all of the applications were completely filled out. In a joint stipulation entered in court Friday, both sides agreed Fairfax County General Registrar Scott Konopasek “has accepted and approved some applications for absentee and ‘vote by mail’ ballots that were submitted by mail (or other remote means) that did not include the last four digits of the applicants’ Social Security numbers.

Such amazing integrity! And so NOT absolutely pathetic.

I wonder what the Fairfax County Sheriff is up to these days...

originally posted by: Boadicea


Hmmmmm..... I assume

Likely your problem all along with just about everything.


Dismissing a frivolous suit is not tantamount to

originally posted by: Boadicea

breaking the law

originally posted by: Boadicea

the elections officials ADMIT they are breaking the law:

No they didn't. Because there was no

“aggrieved voter,” a candidate or a candidate’s campaign or party

filing it. I mean, isn't that the threshold by which to determine if there was a legal 'enough' issue to sue?

a reply to: Boadicea

State election officials across the country have learned that if they have "the right person" as state Attorney General, they can ignore election rules and not be punished. We saw similar trashing of rules and laws surrounding the Nov 2020 election across multiple states. Most (all?) judges threw out the cases that were filed after the election.

A few more items of interest from around the nation:

Georgia:

True The Vote Sends Document Preservation Letter To Georgia Gov. Kemp After GBI Releases Confidential Election Integrity Research To Media
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Pennsylvania:

Pennsylvania’s Election Process Was Confirmed as Not Being Accurate, Complete, or In Compliance with Laws by the State’s Auditor General in December 2019

Pennsylvania Auditor General Report

Pennsylvania’s election audit on hold amid subpoena lawsuit
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Colorado:

BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Mesa County, Colorado 2020 Election Results Reviewed – Thousands of Ballots and Entire Process Contaminated – 2020 Election Results Never Should Have Been Certified
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Michigan:

In Michigan, Whitmer vetoes GOP election integrity bills

Michigan police are hunting for a missing voting machine. Local officials point to GOP clerk who promoted QAnon theories.

Michigan Police Are Hunting Down Elections Official Who Refused Corrupt, Soros-Backed Secretary of State’s Order to Destroy 2020 Election Evidence
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Wisconsin:

Wisconsin May Surpass Arizona And Be First State To Decertify 2020 Election

BREAKING: Wisconsin Elections Commission Holds Emergency Meeting After Racine County Sheriff’s Dept. Accuses WEC of Class I Felony Fraud in Nursing Home Scandal
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Virginia:

McAuliffe campaign hires super Democrat elections lawyer Marc Elias, then tries to 'kill' story
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National:

7 Insane Things I Just Learned About How U.S. Elections Are ‘Rigged’

New poll: 35% of registered US voters think 2020 presidential election results should be overturned
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Make it a great day, folks! Living well is always the best revenge... piss off the haters!!!

a reply to: alphabetaone

Um... okay...

LOL! Hahahaha! Teeheehee!!!

originally posted by: knoxie
The cowards are already whining fraud in the Virginia election.

Where the hell has everyone’s integrity gone?

Pathetic.

Possible false-flag being staged to keep voters (mostly Republicans) at home in VA too.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Boadicea

Thank-you for bringing us the latest developments and polls surrounding 2020 election challenges and public sentiment, Boadicea. I eagerly read every post you make, as they're always informative. Thanks again!

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Boadicea

Thank-you for bringing us the latest developments and polls surrounding 2020 election challenges and public sentiment, Boadicea. I eagerly read every post you make, as they're always informative. Thanks again!

Thank YOU, Care -- not just for the kind words, but for your continued contributions on the rest of the board. I don't get "out" of this thread much these days (which I greatly miss!), but I do my best here, and always appreciate you and everyone doing your/their best in additional threads. Even if I cannot/do not comment in those threads, I give them my stars and flags.

So many problems... so little time!

a reply to: Boadicea

You continue to post information from extremely right bias sources....many of which are known to spread false information.

Again, there is no actual evidence of fraud. These logs that you guys are salivating over do not prove anything.

Remember this audit in Arizona affirmed Biden's win.
Fact check: Arizona audit affirmed Biden's win, didn't prove voter fraud, contrary to Trump claim

Michigan Senate finds no voter fraud. But here's what it did find


Evidence of real voter fraud suggests GOP’s claims are merely projection

Wisconsin audit finds elections 'safe and secure' after Republican voter fraud concerns

In the voter fraud debate, be wary of junk science

Unfortunately this has set a new and possibly dangerous precedent. Now the Republicans are crying fraud everytime they lose....and as we have seen with Trump supporters more than half of Republican voters believe these claims.

The problem kies within the GOP. Instead of showing integrity and denouncing the cries of widespread fraud, they fuel them.

a reply to: jrod

Waaaaahhhh! BOTH the left and the right suck big time. And BOTH spin the truth for their own purposes. But that's all we've got, so I will damn well make the best and the most of it.

But save your whining and crying for the idiots that don't read past headlines. I do. I know better. Anyone and everyone can do their own due diligence and find the WHOLE TRUTH for themselves.

Those who want to play deaf, dumb and blind will do so. Those who want to make sorry ass excuses will do so.

Those who don't, won't.

It is what it is.

a reply to: tanstaafl

OK smartiepants.

FBI is investigating in a town. Sheriff Andy walks up and says go, who will win that.

The FBI... The Bureau has jurisdiction in any State, Territory or Commonwealth in the United States. A county mountie can't just say leave, been there done that way too many times to count. De Jure, Sheriff's don't have as much power as you think..

As far as your whole research its sovie cit stuff, all proven WRONG over and over in court.

a reply to: Boadicea

Youre the one whining and crying.

This is very very curious... and I'll be keeping this in mind, because I have a feeling it will be more significant after Tuesday's election than it may seem right now:

Va. Dems file lawsuit against U.S. Postal Service over delivery delay of absentee ballots

The lawsuit, filed Friday, contends that more than 300,000 Virginians are likely to attempt to cast their ballots by mail this cycle, but USPS did not deliver the requested ballots promptly and therefore is threatening to disenfranchise thousands of Virginia voters.

“Thousands of absentee ballots currently sit at postal facilities throughout the Commonwealth, unprocessed for weeks on end,” the lawsuit states.

The Post Office says otherwise:

The USPS defended its delivery protocols and processing of election-related materials.

“The Postal Service has a robust and tested process for the proper handling and timely delivery of Election Mail. Our Election Mail processes and procedures are fully operational in Virginia. We are not aware of any processing delays of any ballots within our facilities nor any ballot delivery delays, and we have fully communicated this information to election officials,” USPS public relations representative Martha Johnson said in an email to The Washington Times.

“Throughout the election cycle we work closely with state and local election officials and have been addressing any concerns that they raise. Daily sweeps are being conducted in all our Virginia facilities,” Ms. Johnson said.

I wondered if they could both be right... if there was a way for them both to be right... and maybe there is... maybe these "thousands of absentee ballots" have been processed by the Post Office and determined to be undeliverable. Perhaps the addressee has moved, or perhaps the address is a commercial establishment rather than a home, or perhaps the addressee is deceased. I have tried to find more information on how the Post Office processes absentee ballots, and especially undeliverable ballots, but I cannot find anything. So this is all speculation on my part.

I have read the filing by the Dems, and it does not state how they know there are "thousands of absentee ballots" just sitting around in post offices... it mostly speaks to the changes at the Post Office which has slowed down mail delivery in general, and notes that it necessarily affects the mail-in ballots as well and their time-sensitive nature. The relief they request is that the Post Office prioritizes and expedites all election ballots, which the Post Office has agreed to do:

USPS Agrees To Prioritize Virginia Mail-In Ballots After Democrats Sue Over Delays

The Dem's initial filing of the "Complaint for Declaratory and Injunctive Relief" is here.

The Post Office's response is here.

The attorney handling this case on behalf of the Dems is -- of course! -- Marc Elias, who was also recently hired by McAuliffe (Dem candidate for governor), which McAuliffe doesn't want the public to know:

DEVELOPING: Terry McAuliffe Hires Marc Elias – The Man Behind Steele Dossier and Nearly Every Democrat 2020 Election Lawsuit

It also comes on the heels of the just-dismissed lawsuit regarding violations of law regarding acceptance of absentee ballot applications:

Lawsuit claims Fairfax Co. is ignoring absentee ballot rules

Judge dismisses lawsuit claiming Fairfax County broke absentee ballot rules

Dismissed for lack of standing. Not because it isn't true.

a reply to: Boadicea

The Post Office thing is a "pre-existing" excuse for failure 😃

But remember the Post Office started a nationwide general delivery slow down a few weeks ago right ? 😃 Hmmmm

Anything about possible counterfeit ballots ? Hmmmm 😃

North Korea Kim has that gleem in his eyes again 😃

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Boadicea

The Post Office thing is a "pre-existing" excuse for failure 😃

That's certainly not the worst thing that could happen, eh?

But remember the Post Office started a nationwide general delivery slow down a few weeks ago right ? 😃 Hmmmm

I remember...

Anything about possible counterfeit ballots ? Hmmmm 😃

Hmmmm indeed! Another interesting thought...

a reply to: Boadicea

"hundreds" "thousands" both used in filings in Federal Court when an exact number is not known but guessed at. Why people feel the need to hang on every term they are unaware of is beyond me.

As far as Kim Jong Un, I believe that North Korea got ballots to Maine by fishing boat in the middle of the night that were then trucked around the USA in less than 6 hours about as much as I believe that tomorrow we are going to wake up to North Korea officially surrendering the Korean War to the Republic of Korea (SK)

As far as the Post office slowdown, that was put into effect after Trump's appointee said it would save money. Louis DeJoy actually came up with the plan PRIOR to the 2020 election and it is just being implemented now.

Anything else you may be confused on that has a rational explanation? (rolls eyes)

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
I feel like I should add that, with the early voter thing, of more envelopes coming back than were sent...

If the necessary data were provided to a third party, a third party could print the early voter ballots. So we're talking about a single compromised employee at the voting office getting out of the building with a memory stick.

It is known that such devices were removed each night from the counting center (to an unknown location by an unknown person). Those devices are among the subpoenaed materials that the County did not turn over.

And, again, if the printer (Runbeck) is part of the fraud, then it would be easy enough for such ballots to be printed on demand so to speak.

Again and again, known issues cannot be nailed down because the relevant (subpoenaed) election materials were not provided by the County.

Also, if I remember correctly: one of the things the Ninjas found in their preliminary report was a lot of ballots printed on substandard paper.

originally posted by: Boadicea
This is very very curious... and I'll be keeping this in mind, because I have a feeling it will be more significant after Tuesday's election than it may seem right now:

Va. Dems file lawsuit against U.S. Postal Service over delivery delay of absentee ballots

The lawsuit, filed Friday, contends that more than 300,000 Virginians are likely to attempt to cast their ballots by mail this cycle, but USPS did not deliver the requested ballots promptly and therefore is threatening to disenfranchise thousands of Virginia voters.

“Thousands of absentee ballots currently sit at postal facilities throughout the Commonwealth, unprocessed for weeks on end,” the lawsuit states.

The Post Office says otherwise:

The USPS defended its delivery protocols and processing of election-related materials.

“The Postal Service has a robust and tested process for the proper handling and timely delivery of Election Mail. Our Election Mail processes and procedures are fully operational in Virginia. We are not aware of any processing delays of any ballots within our facilities nor any ballot delivery delays, and we have fully communicated this information to election officials,” USPS public relations representative Martha Johnson said in an email to The Washington Times.

“Throughout the election cycle we work closely with state and local election officials and have been addressing any concerns that they raise. Daily sweeps are being conducted in all our Virginia facilities,” Ms. Johnson said.

I wondered if they could both be right... if there was a way for them both to be right... and maybe there is... maybe these "thousands of absentee ballots" have been processed by the Post Office and determined to be undeliverable. Perhaps the addressee has moved, or perhaps the address is a commercial establishment rather than a home, or perhaps the addressee is deceased. I have tried to find more information on how the Post Office processes absentee ballots, and especially undeliverable ballots, but I cannot find anything. So this is all speculation on my part.

I have read the filing by the Dems, and it does not state how they know there are "thousands of absentee ballots" just sitting around in post offices... it mostly speaks to the changes at the Post Office which has slowed down mail delivery in general, and notes that it necessarily affects the mail-in ballots as well and their time-sensitive nature. The relief they request is that the Post Office prioritizes and expedites all election ballots, which the Post Office has agreed to do:

USPS Agrees To Prioritize Virginia Mail-In Ballots After Democrats Sue Over Delays

The Dem's initial filing of the "Complaint for Declaratory and Injunctive Relief" is here.

The Post Office's response is here.

The attorney handling this case on behalf of the Dems is -- of course! -- Marc Elias, who was also recently hired by McAuliffe (Dem candidate for governor), which McAuliffe doesn't want the public to know:

DEVELOPING: Terry McAuliffe Hires Marc Elias – The Man Behind Steele Dossier and Nearly Every Democrat 2020 Election Lawsuit

It also comes on the heels of the just-dismissed lawsuit regarding violations of law regarding acceptance of absentee ballot applications:

Lawsuit claims Fairfax Co. is ignoring absentee ballot rules

Judge dismisses lawsuit claiming Fairfax County broke absentee ballot rules

Dismissed for lack of standing. Not because it isn't true.

This part on page 5 of the Post Office response probably explains it:

The Postal Service also has special policies in place to further expedite the delivery of
ballots. Mcllwain Dec. ¶ 13. More specifically, it will take ballots out of its normal processing
(to “hold them out”) for expedited delivery to registrars, via a process that involves an expedited
approach to sorting ballots on the Postal Service’s processing equipment. While this process saves
time, because ballots slotted for local hold out bypass certain aspects of the Postal Service
processing system, they are not fully scanned in the same way as a typical mail-piece. Mcllwain
Dec. ¶ 13.

It's possible they're moving through but missing a scan along the way.

On the other hand, Post Offices all around the country are having a really hard time getting adequate staff these days.

Sometimes reality simply sets in. Deep in Covid last year there were some stations here in Portland where whole routes got "rolled" sometimes. They'd just mix today's mail with the mail that comes in tomorrow and deliver it all tomorrow. (any parcels would get scanned "no access" even though no actual attempt had been made to deliver them.)

There are a few key datapoints that supervisors/managers are always careful to get right, because upper management can see them. The rest is kind of a gamble. Might get caught screwing up. Might not get caught. But they always make sure the electronic data shows a spotless day.


I don't know what is happening in Virginia, though. Virginia is pretty far away from Oregon. If ballots are being delayed, then most likely the manager/supervisor who is making the decision to delay is not telling their own boss they did it. Definitely sending the electronic messages they should have sent if they had gone out.