Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Also, if I remember correctly: one of the things the Ninjas found in their preliminary report was a lot of ballots printed on substandard paper.

Yes, there were definitely ballots printed on the wrong paper, which allowed for the bleed-thru from the felt-tipped Sharpies. It was also said that there were no requisitions or receipts for ordering the proper paper at all, indicating that no ballots were printed on the proper paper. That has not yet been confirmed by Jovan's report on the paper.

It's possible they're moving through but missing a scan along the way.

Is that something which would be caught up with a later scan, for the Post Office and/or Elections Office to cross reference or something later, and see that those ballots were processed? I would think the Elections Office would be more concerned about ballots that aren't getting to the voters at this point, rather than ballots that had been returned to the Post Office but not yet to the Elections Office.

originally posted by: alphabetaone
in reply to: tanstaafl
So, you're anti-government, yet you're on a thread insisting that governmental laws should work for you?

I see you're still incapable of reading with comprehension (I never said I was anti-government).

It's becoming clear to me. You spend so much of your assless time on the floor, why you couldn't possibly see whats in front of you.

Rotflmao! Please... just stop...

originally posted by: Boadicea

Yes, there were definitely ballots printed on the wrong paper

See what you do? Someone says to you "sub-standard" and you say "wrong", yet claim you dont have an agenda?

originally posted by: Boadicea

which allowed for the bleed-thru from the felt-tipped Sharpies.

How many times does this have to be debunked before you get it through your head that due to the offset columns and machinery reading only the bubbles in that offset, again, debunking the claim that "bleed-through" was instrumental in causing votes to not be counted. Furthermore per the Arizona election manual, states that if machinery CANT read it, a duplicate will be created by a bipartisan team.

Logan pointed to ballots with the printing slightly offset between the front and back. He claimed this could cause votes to be counted for the wrong candidate if ink from one side bleeds through to another. He said the alignment issues were mostly from polling-place ballots, which are printed onsite, and said about 168,000 ballots were cast that way. The overwhelming majority of Arizona voters cast ballots by mail.

“We are seeing a lot of very thin paper stock being used especially on Election Day,” Logan added.

The allegation harkens back to the debunked “Sharpiegate” conspiracy theory that arose in the days after the election. Election experts say bleed-through doesn’t affect the vote count because bubbles on one side of a ballot don’t align with those on the other. Ballots that can’t be read are flagged and duplicated by a bipartisan team.

Arizona’s election procedures manual says only that ballots “must be printed with black ink on white paper of sufficient thickness to prevent the printing from being discernible on the reverse side the ballot.” Maricopa County uses 80 pound Votesecur paper from Rolland, which is among the papers approved by Dominion Voting Systems, which makes the county’s tabulation equipment, said Fields Moseley, a county spokesman.

originally posted by: Boadicea
Is that something which would be caught up with a later scan, for the Post Office and/or Elections Office to cross reference or something later, and see that those ballots were processed? I would think the Elections Office would be more concerned about ballots that aren't getting to the voters at this point, rather than ballots that had been returned to the Post Office but not yet to the Elections Office.

So you create a thread that, throughout you make proclamations about how you "KNOW" things, and yet you wait until this late in the game to start asking relevant questions about what MIGHT have a reasonable explanation to discredit your own theories?

Stop wondering why some people don't take you seriously.

originally posted by: vkey08
a reply to: tanstaafl
FBI is investigating in a town. Sheriff Andy walks up and says go, who will win that.

As I said, it depends on what they are investigating...

As far as your whole research its sovie cit stuff, all proven WRONG over and over in court.

Nope, it is the same situation as exists with the election fraud. They don't even consider and/or ignore factualy evidence.

They are tyrants, after all. That is what they do.

a reply to: alphabetaone

See what you do? Someone says to you "sub-standard" and you say "wrong", yet claim you dont have an agenda?

Oh my... if the paper is substandard, then the paper is by definition the wrong paper. As you yourself proved with this quote:

“We are seeing a lot of very thin paper stock being used especially on Election Day,” Logan added.

Further, it debunks NOTHING as you claim, or others claim about "Sharpiegate" being debunked, it simply moves the goalposts. Yes, there was bleed-thru, but the claim is that --

...bleed-through doesn’t affect the vote count because bubbles on one side of a ballot don’t align with those on the other. Ballots that can’t be read are flagged and duplicated by a bipartisan team.

Obviously, if a ballot must be duplicated, then the ballot is most definitely AFFECTED!!! And if that ballot is not duplicated correctly or accurately, then the vote count is most definitely AFFECTED!!!

But we both know that you just want to confuse and confound and conflate issues. So somehow I must be bad if I state a fact as a fact, and I also must be bad if I ask questions to clarify facts that I do not know. And apparently I'm also bad for wondering if two parties stating seemingly contradictory facts could BOTH be right.

Further, the only thing "debunked" about Sharpiegate is that the compromised ballots were not rejected and uncounted as voters originally believed. They were correct that those particular ballots were rejected by the machines, but those original ballots were duplicated by election workers, and the election workers' "votes" were counted in the voters' names. Sharpiegate is real.

See what YOU do??? I damn sure see it. But I also know damn well that you do take me seriously... quite seriously... or you wouldn't have made yourself a fixture in this thread.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

Also, if I remember correctly: one of the things the Ninjas found in their preliminary report was a lot of ballots printed on substandard paper.

Probably cheap paper from 2nd rate counterfeiters in California or even Mexico, unlike high quality work from major counterfeiters like North Korea. 🚨🤫🚨

Just a couple things this morning...

State Rep. Timothy Ramthun Calls To ‘Decertify Wisconsin’s November 2020 Election Results By Reclaiming Its Ten Electoral Ballots’

T rump-Hating Virginia Elections Director Says Tuesday’s Results May ‘Have To Wait Until Friday’ Because Of Mail-In Votes

Lawmaker Who Pushed for Election 'Audit' Abruptly Resigns, Citing 'Attacks' on Wife and Family

Make it another great day folks! I'm going to be working outside in my garden for the first time in a long time, and I'm going to enjoy every minute. It's a beautiful sunny day, with a gentle breeze, and an expected high in the mid-80s. I'll be fraternizing with flowers and butterflies and dragonflies and hummingbirds and lots of creepy crawlies of course.

And if anyone's wondering about those rose bushes I transplanted a few weeks ago, almost all are settling in beautifully! My red Knockout is actually in bloom again. There is one I'm worried about -- a very pretty bicolor lavender called "Paradise" -- and might lose, but I'm pampering her and hoping for the best.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: vkey08
a reply to: tanstaafl
FBI is investigating in a town. Sheriff Andy walks up and says go, who will win that.

As I said, it depends on what they are investigating...

As far as your whole research its sovie cit stuff, all proven WRONG over and over in court.

Nope, it is the same situation as exists with the election fraud. They don't even consider and/or ignore factualy evidence.

They are tyrants, after all. That is what they do.

Actually it doesn't , sorry, FBI wouldn't even have to tell them WHY they are taking jurisdiction, just that they are.. SCOTUS has sided with that as well 190 times.

As far as you claiming it's wrong, it's not factual evidence to say you need a drivers license, the 10th Amendement give power to the States to allow that. No matter what anyone wants to say about the Federal Government being some corporation registered in Delaware or whatever.. Ya wanna play ball with the Constitution as your ball, then you need to know the WHOLE thing, not cherry picking certain parts you like and don't like..

The 10th Amendment delegates all power to the states that is not expressly delegated in the Constitution to their own devices, however it says nothing about duplication of those rules at a Federal Level.. All it says is the States have the right to pass their own laws as well, and over time that has come to mean that you cannot operate a vehicle that has a motor attached to it for locomotion without 3 things, a DL, Registration tags (non expired and non suspended) and Insurance.

So go backroad your little SovCit group and ask them that one, how to get around the fact that the States have rights as well.. It's in that document you all so love to misquote and misinterpret..




Back to the main topic, I still have seen nothing, nothing even remotely rising to the level of a major conspiracy to defraud the American public out of an election, I still only see isolated incidents, which no one can deny happen rvrty single time and probably have since the Election of Thomas Jefferson over John Adams...

a reply to: Boadicea

PM4U

We're gonna have a PART TWQ!

CONGRATS BQADICEA!

originally posted by: Boadicea


Oh my... if the paper is substandard, then the paper is by definition the wrong paper.

Stick to Roses and leave language to people who know better. Anything can be sub-standard. Lug nuts can be sub-standard yet NOT be the "wrong" lug nuts. A light bulb can be sub-standard and not be the "wrong" light bulb. For various reasons, the filament is too weak and burns out more quickly. The lug nuts are stainless steel and not carbon. That doesn't make them "wrong"

originally posted by: Boadicea

Obviously, if a ballot must be duplicated, then the ballot is most definitely AFFECTED!!!

bal·lot
/ˈbalət/

noun
a process of voting, in writing and typically in secret.

The process wasn't affected, the process still took place. Whether or not there needed to be remedial steps (that are clearly outlined in the process) is immaterial and surely not "fraud on a MASSIVE scale"

originally posted by: Boadicea

And if that ballot is not duplicated correctly or accurately, then the vote count is most definitely AFFECTED!!!

Certainly. Which means that you elected the wrong officials. Next time be smarter and stop all your conspiracy theorizing.

originally posted by: Boadicea

But we both know that you just want to confuse and confound and conflate issues.

That's your job. Take a vacation.

originally posted by: Boadicea

So somehow I must be bad if I state a fact as a fact

No. You're bad because you dont know what you're talking about.

originally posted by: Boadicea

and I also must be bad if I ask questions to clarify facts that I do not know.

Im pretty sure i said you asked relevant questions (even though stating you have all the answers as you've said countless times in this thread already via you're "WE KNOW" and "I KNOW" declaratives)

originally posted by: Boadicea

But I also know damn well that you do take me seriously... quite seriously... or you wouldn't have made yourself a fixture in this thread.

No. For me its become a game really, to see just how moronic you can be when it comes to this nonsense and just how far you'll be willing to go to show exactly how disingenuous you are. Otherwise, I think you're a joke, frankly.

Friendly reminder

BIDEN LOST 18 of 19 BELLWETHER COUNTIES

originally posted by: dashen
We're gonna have a PART TWQ!

CONGRATS BQADICEA!

Who woulda thunk it, eh?

a reply to: alphabetaone

Sorry not sorry -- TS;DR.

Blah... blah... blah...

Yada... yada... yada...

Oh well. Don't like it? Okay. Don't like me? Okay. That's fair enough. I don't like you. I don't respect you. I don't trust you. And I have nothing nice to say to you. So have your say, and we'll leave it at that.

Not too much again this morning... Maybe it's the calm before the storm... or maybe everyone's just to busy celebrating Halloween! Here's what I have found -- all from everyone's favorite source of course:

Racine County GOP Executive Committee Calls for Immediate Intervention of Wisconsin Election Commission Over Nursing Home Fraud Scandal

Numerous Democrats in New York State Are Also Listed as Conservatives on the Ballot

BREAKING: New Report Shows Detroit Used Defective Ballot Boxes In 2020 Election Despite Warning Stickers: “Not approved for use as a ballot container”…”You could shove papers right through the back of them”

Another beautiful day to look forward to and make the most and the best of... because we can!!!

originally posted by: Boadicea
I don't like you. I don't respect you. And I have nothing nice to say to you. So have your say, and we'll leave it at that.

I starred this post for one very particular reason, im glad you dont! I wouldn't want that.

originally posted by: Boadicea
I don't trust you.

As far as this, if you trust anyone out here, you're a bigger fool than i would have imagined. Trust is a peronal rapport issue, you can't just "trust" without some interpersonal connection.

originally posted by: sciencelol
Friendly reminder

BIDEN LOST 18 of 19 BELLWETHER COUNTIES

Friendly reminder, doesn't matter , the metrics for figuring out this election are all off.

originally posted by: Boadicea
Not too much again this morning... Maybe it's the calm before the storm... or maybe everyone's just to busy celebrating Halloween! Here's what I have found -- all from everyone's favorite source of course:

Racine County GOP Executive Committee Calls for Immediate Intervention of Wisconsin Election Commission Over Nursing Home Fraud Scandal

Numerous Democrats in New York State Are Also Listed as Conservatives on the Ballot

BREAKING: New Report Shows Detroit Used Defective Ballot Boxes In 2020 Election Despite Warning Stickers: “Not approved for use as a ballot container”…”You could shove papers right through the back of them”

Another beautiful day to look forward to and make the most and the best of... because we can!!!

I notice you use the Gateway Pundit as your "source". You do realize, much like the Huffington Post, they have been proven as to be totally wrong 94% of the time?

It's something like using FoxNews or MSNBC as unbiased sources...

Does anyone happen to know of a website that is keeping track of each/every state or county election audit -- either proposed, ongoing, or concluded -- in one place?

I have never found/seen such a thing, but if someone else has, I would much appreciate a link!

a reply to: vkey08

I notice you use the Gateway Pundit as your "source".

How very clever of you! But no need for the quotation marks. They are in fact and in deed one of my sources.

You do realize, much like the Huffington Post, they have been proven as to be totally wrong 94% of the time?

It's something like using FoxNews or MSNBC as unbiased sources...

I realize that since the Fairness Doctrine was abandoned that virtually ALL "news" media leaves much to be desired, that NO "news" media provides the whole story about pretty much anything and everything, and that all need to be taken with a grain of salt and healthy dose of skepticism.

Therefore I also realize that it is incumbent upon anyone and everyone who does want the whole truth to do their own due diligence, to verify/confirm any and all news with official sources where possible, and to never get all one's information in one place.