Final Conclusions Regarding UFOs

a reply to: Peeple

Ady got close to figuring it out.

A lot of people follow him around.

That ego quote is dead wrong.

You don't destroy your best tool; you hone it.

Otherwise you become a 'lazy buddha'.

Kev

So a bit on the ego and other major systems of the body.

The 'right hand path dingbats', to include many of the misinformed advaita vedanta crowd, attack 'the ego'.

So what does the ego do?

It draws a border between 'you and not you'.

Pretty important.

Or you might cut off your hand and fry it up for dinner.

The problem isn't having an ego, it's what you do with it.

Killing your ego entirely is death; which is fine and all, and quite refreshing.

But you don't stay alive by doing that.

Ask a person with a clue.. ask a Daoist or something, though they have their problems too.

So the 'ego' is a powerful force.

You can stupidly sit around trying to kill it, which won't happen .. it's entire function is to survive.

Or you can put a bridle and saddle and bit on it.

Read the '10 Oxherd Pictures'.

Instruct the ego, that being 'too large' just give it a large attack surface, which leads to suffering.

If I say, " I am this and this and this and this and this..etc"

then if some chucklehead comes along and #s on one of those 'and this''s then you suffer needlessly.

and of course, you never were any of those 'this's' anyway.

You can educate your ego to be a wonderful friend, to one and all.

Don't shout against the wind.

Don't attempt to kill the wind.

The wind's function is to blow.

Just redirect the force to be useful.

That's all silly.

Look ma, I'm enlightened now!

Also good to mention,

If you master the sexual drive,

you become an Urdhva-retas as it's called.

Don't attempt to kill.

Educate.

Let those raging bulls have their fun, in an ADULT way.

That's my experience.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: NobodySpecial268

You can't, not all the way.

It's something which must be accepted.

No man is an island.

But what you CAN do, is not to apply all that grunge to your sense of self, and choose to live free.

"You can't, not all the way." - That's my point of view too, and not applying that grunge to one's sense of self is another.

But what is the grunge? I presume you're referring to "ego" as "grunge".

I often ponder what ego is.

The Greeks call it the "I". The sense of being me perhaps.

These days "ego" is a dirty word meaning egotistical and so on. The Buddhists are perhaps to blame for that.

What about the man who puts his policeman's hat on in the morning and becomes the policeman? The magistrate who dons a wig and becomes "Your Honour"? -- Grunge? - I think so.

But what you CAN do, is not to apply all that grunge to your sense of self, and choose to live free.

Society does that to us, and we fall for it.

There is an odd principle that is not exactly occult.

Around us are these ordinarily unnoticed shells. Where the pranic pipes of Hatha yoga seem to obey the laws of hydrodynamics, these shells work seem to obey the laws of optics. That is to say they have pass through and reflective properties. Like two way mirrors. The Looking Glass.

From inside the shell our own self image is reflected back at us; warts and all. Traumas are embedded there like scars. One can get the impression that the person inside is a holographic projection if one is not careful.

Self image also passes through the shell. If one projects the policeman, that is the presence others can feel. But the policeman is a lie. The policeman is a created thing that is projected.

To me that projection is an ego, so I define ego as such.

If one does not have the created self image that we want others to see. What should shine through is the real person.

Unfortunately, most people are terribly uncomfortable showing themselves. So the created self image or self censored self image is much preferred it seems. Either way it is a lie projected.

A bit like the custom of wearing clothes perhaps. Most people look better clothed than naked methinks. 'Buxom blond aliens' being the obvious exception.

I digress : )

Optics.

If one looks at so-called spiritual development, it seems to work at making one virtuous which makes us comfortable with ourselves. Then we should be able to drop the ego (the lie), and then shine like a star for all to see us for what we actually are. Theoretically that is.

Alas, we have all our dirty deeds of the past, traumas, embarrassing teenage memories and so forth being reflected back at us.

The dirty deeds of the past reflected back can overpower people; corruption sets in.

Alternatively the traumas of the past can do the same and overpower people; crushing them.

The optics of the looking glass.

As you say Kevin:

. . . what you CAN do, is not to apply all that grunge to your sense of self, and choose to live free.

Knowing what grunge actually is and how grunge works in practice helps.

So let's quickly tie this in with "UFOs, aliens, fairies and other hypothetical critters". They can tell the difference between lies and the real thing and conduct themselves accordingly.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

So not surprised your ego throws a tantrum if threatened

It's complete bs, everything you said including the lazy Buddha.

It was in regards to how one gets rid of bias and there just isn't any other way than stripping yourself of "everything that seeks self-validation".
Because beyond that plenty remains as source for motivation.
Earth, the species, life in general, truth, justice... Just to name a few.

And you are very much in the business of seeking self-validation and that's why none of your theories are going anywhere.

Can you spot the mistake in this?

It sounds cheese-ball to talk about 'spirits of the dead' in 2020, it's the damndest thing; and yes, people aren't ready for that, and there's not much point in my talking about it.

Because it's pretty exemplary of "your pattern".
Besides from an anthropocentric hue you also have a tendency for.
And a mild messiah complex.

And what's doing that? Your ego.
So you either put the bridle around the arse or your understanding of the whole concept is wrong.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

Ego is used for purposes for which it is not suited and which leads to unnecessary self-induced suffering.

Once you defined 'your soul' (it's just a concept, that definition) you then have to futz over it and protect it.

Once you define 'god' (it's just a concept, that definition) you then have to futz over it and protect it.

Anything you draw into your 'permanent' (no such thing) sense of self, that leads to suffering, for you or others
is the grunge.

It's really that simple.

My dog is the happiest person that I know, and it's nearly possible for a human to be that happy. Though striving for happy or fretting about avoiding unhappy is a trap.

Nothing wrong with enjoying food, sex, or good conversation. Nothing wrong with enjoying most anything.. but some things grunge up the system and lead to needless suffering.

I'm watching this Anime today.. it's not 'Buddha-like' at all.. or so people would say.

Of course i'm not a Buddha (that's a concept). I don't let concepts poison my sense of self.

I knew all this stuff before gradeschool.. it's just common sense... I never read a book about it or anything.. no such book ever existed; not even in Buddhism that I know of. Not that I'm some Buddhist scholar, I'm not.

Who I am, changes moment by moment; and death is just another change.

So let's quickly tie this in with "UFOs, aliens, fairies and other hypothetical critters". They can tell the difference between lies and the real thing and conduct themselves accordingly.

Apparently, all living things have a boundary they use to distinguish self from not-self (or they would rapidly die out);

even hypothetical quantum critters.

but their 'boundaries' would be quite different.

But talking about hypothetical quantum critters is very much 'the devil is in the details' and hard to discuss rationally.

a reply to: Peeple

?????

You know, that sometimes (not terribly often) you make absolutely zero sense.

But I will say, that's it's the feisty ones, who eventually become the best students.

Love you too.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

that's the good thing about you, you know I enjoy and value you a lot even if you're driving me mad sometimes.

Now Peeps does bring up some interesting points.

Do I have a mild Messiah complex?

Yes.

It's part of my baggage, that has been with me a very long time.

It's a real mind-frack, when multiple occult groups want to turn you into some global figure, for their purposes.

Our friend the ex-cult member must understand this well.

To my annoyance (i'm a regular human), that tendency has never completely left me.

So since it's burned into my ego, at least for now, I've put it to work.

Since I do have a long-term interest in this kind of stuff, due to the course my life has taken, then it's for the best if I examine all this stuff; it may or may not be a way that I can bring value.

Oh some might call it karma or fate or the result of 'soul threads'.

I won't say any of that crap.

There are some wounds too deep to heal; Im not as wise as my dog, not by far.

So you put those wounds to work.. that's what I recommend.. maybe some day they will heal..
I don't know.

I do enjoy being a feisty old man.. I rarely get to play my role as much as I like.

It's not a good pony ride, if you don't add some color to it.

Well, back to the Anime.

It's so nice to have a great conversation with friends.

I hope everyone is having a nice holiday.. I don't celebrate this one myself,

but if we could all be a little more caring towards each other, that does sound good to me!

Merry Christmas One all All!

a reply to: Peeple

I'm probably 50% full of #.

Don't worry about that part.

Enjoy the 50% that is NOT full of #.

That's what I do with you, and every person that I've ever met.

I don't give a rats ass about 'perfection'.

That's a trap.

I prefer useful or not useful.

Kev

I am certainly passionate about both ego and the sex drive.

BTW, did you know that testosterone receptors exist all throughout the body, even in the eyes? It's true.
I haven't studied female hormones much, sorry. I'm certain it's much the same.

Master these two things; and you've mastered everything that's worth mastering.

Those are the two master keys.

It's no wonder humans tend to be so messed up. People most enjoy going on a tear with their ego and their sex drives (and adrenaline from acting very reckless).

It's not surprising.. those things make you feel the maximal alive.

People like feeling alive.

But those are the things that mung us up the most.

What you 'know' is mostly irrelevant, if you haven't mastered those two things.

Adi is certainly correct about the 'tearing down' being the key to 'enlightenment'.

Just don't throw baby out with the bathwater.

That's where the right hand path fails,

and of course the left hand path fails in so many ways.

Everything in balance.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Ah Jesus, don't celebrate that either. Still of the opinion that's the greatest occult/magical/"satanic" what-not-to-do story of all times.
That's the problem with messianic aspirations, you build your shem with blood, sweat and tears and along comes some dick and with the stroke of a pen everything that could've been is ruined.

I like interesting. I can forgive almost everything as long as you're interesting.

a reply to: Peeple

What I find interesting is how I constantly trigger you.

That must mean something.

A lot of folks appreciate the good parts, and let the (to them) bad parts go.

But you charge up on your horse and joust at me, every chance you get.

It's way fun.

Do I run you down and attempt to change your mind?

Actually I let you live in peace.

If there's one thing that I don't respect is someone with a weak ego.

And that's a problem my friend, that you do not have.

Lots of potential with this one.

My old mentor told me a story once, that in the generation of 100 enlightened sages, that only one person among them, was not married.

There's a stability that CAN come from marriage, and there are other reasons.

Just goes to show how ignorant I was when I first met him.

Oh he was full of tripe about angels and what not.

But he was a wealth of knowledge about some uncommonly known things.

I'd have gone insane and died without his assistance.

He was more of a positive than a negative influence; that's the best that you can hope for with someone.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear


Well I believe growth requires conflict.
If two people have the same opinion one of them is redundant.
I like to believe everytime I disagree I can learn something. Or strengthen the reasons of why I think as I do.

With some people I disagree because they're full of #. With you I disagree to think deeper.

a reply to: Peeple

That earned you a hug.

Yup; as our Buddhist friend said, I prosper in the heart of conflict.

That was my path.

My old mentor often said, (to paraphrase) that if you don't have a massive hunger,

you will never 'make it'; you will never become a full adult; you will never 'wake up'.

Whatever you want to call it.

My hunger was seemingly infinite.

Being a vacuous fukwit never gets anything accomplished.

Typically how this works, is someone with the massive hunger rages around, proving how little they actually know,

until they hit rock bottom and crash hard.

Then maybe they are ready to learn.

That's what happened with me anyway.

Oh I had good instincts; seemingly from nowhere, but I knew nothing about the 'good aspects to the left hand path',
as I was afraid of it.

There's nothing to be afraid of.

There's nothing wrong with learning biology and physics;

that's a lot of it.

Oh some 'left hand pathers' become 'black magicians' and attempt to cheat death by stealing bodies; that sort of thing; but i'm not interested in the grunge, just the useful parts.

Just like large parts of the 'right hand path' are pure, mind-numbing insanity'. But there are the good parts to it.

Kev

Just so that nobody is confused by all this path talk;

at least as far as I know, humans are in a symbiotic relationship with something else;

Major pieces of what 'spiritual types' do, is for the benefit of 'the other'; that which evolves with us.

Now, there certainly are benefits from learning to use your instrument (your body and mind),

but it's nothing compared to what 'the other' gets out of it.

We get 1%;

"the other" get 99%.

There's no point in obsessing about this stuff for most folks; if you have the enormous hunger to know, you may wind up knowing some uncommonly known stuff.

But you'd just be in the 'wake' of something more amazing than yourself.

Enjoy your life, try not to be an ass; ride your own individual Dime Store Pony.

If you want to learn 'this kind of stuff', and you have that unlimited hunger, you will get there, or you won't.

That too is a pony ride.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Apparently, all living things have a boundary they use to distinguish self from not-self (or they would rapidly die out);

even hypothetical quantum critters.

but their 'boundaries' would be quite different.

But talking about hypothetical quantum critters is very much 'the devil is in the details' and hard to discuss rationally.

The boundary of self is an interesting and practical subject. One could say Beings are the equivalent of a soap bubble. The bubble being the boundary of self.

Boundary of self being the (two way) looking glass.

Hypothetical critters like fairies and such might be considered to be are far far more adept at working with the looking glass principals rather than having vastly different boundaries.

If a human boundary gets covered in grunge, one might suggest that other Beings know to keep their optics clean.

One way to keep the optics clean yet fully utilise the principals in a practical way is to play games rather than live the lies. Then appearance becomes a language.

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From another post of your posts:

Sex receptors in the eyes. -- Wow. That takes "averting one's eyes" to a whole higher level of politeness. makes a lot of sense.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

Missed the edit window, so a footnote to above post for those interested.

The laws of optics also includes shadows and going dark.

The hypothetical dark Beings out there are not necessarily what they seem nor what the "Light workers" and religious folks think they are; they just are not emitting their own "light" nor re-emitting someone else's "light" for reasons of their own.

Nostradamus is said to have scryed using a bowl of black ink to see what he saw. One can also use a black stone to scry and one will look to others just like another shadow on the wall. Conversely, scry through a black stone in the wrong place, and you will get into big trouble because you will be spotted right away.

Occult/spiritual espionage, reconnaissance and surveillance is done using those principals. The so-called "good guys" know all this and employ the knowledge. Those guys are projections (lies) when you encounter them. (sigh) So too the buxom nordic lassies - the boobs are lies : (

The trick to all this is to understand that the inverse/reverse optics of looking glasses and the perceiver's brain's tendency to adjust perception throws a spanner in the works.

Some UFO reports of geometrical UFOs morphing (Rendlesham maybe?) can be understood a little better if one is thinking in terms of optics and taking into account that optics, like prana can be solid on it's own level. Geometry and optics go together quite well in practice. Prisms and Looking glasses. The Alices are a meme of their own these days.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

Nice response.

We can barely even agree that those 'hypothetical beings' exist; so theorizing about them is fraught with peril.

And believing in them is generally toxic to not only our ego, but their ego!

(Historically it's thought that humans corrupt 'pure spirits' when we associate with them).

Now.. that's one of the reasons that I say, that in a manner of speaking, we are partially responsible for the weird occult / ufo stuff that happens.

Isn't that fascinating?

I have lots more to say on the topic, but that's a good place to start.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

Huh.

The Alices are a meme of their own these days.

Is that an armageddon.co.uk / weird Crowley group from the UK reference?
I tracked 'Alice' back to that one group in the UK.

Unless you are referencing some other Alice.

Kev