The State of Texas filed a lawsuit directly with the U.S. Supreme Court

a reply to: Gryphon66

The problem is, not everyone registers to vote at the DMV. It's the federal application(s) that make it so anyone can register to vote without proof of ID...and it can be done online with an electronic signature. The states have effectively given up their plenary power to regulate the manner of appointing electors to the federal government.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Gryphon66

The problem is, not everyone registers to vote at the DMV. It's the federal application(s) that make it so anyone can register to vote without proof of ID...and it can be done online with an electronic signature. The states have effectively given up their plenary power to regulate the manner of appointing electors to the federal government.

In Georgia, folks can get the Real ID compliant ID (including a signature) at the DMV or at the county elections office.

If they don't have a compliant ID on file, I do not believe they can vote (whether in person or by absentee.)

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: putnam6

Dr. Eastman is not generally considered to be an unbiased source of information.

He also asserted that Kamala Harris, born in California, was ineligible to be Vice President.

That said, each of those items will have to be proven in court to be "illegal."

The changes made in 2018 have not meen shown in any way to be "illegal."

When those things are proven, there might be a basis for those claims.

Again during the hearing, this code of having observers present at all times was brought up over and over.

Essentially, you DO have observers from both parties present at all times... because the ballots are counted by both Republicans and Democrats and Independents and others. External observers don't add much to the situation and (unless they've actually WORKED that part of the election, they don't really know what's going on. Same as if you watch a fencing match... you see two people whacking at each other with a sword whereas a fencer sees a parry in 6th and a reposte in 8th and a lunge and so forth.

Every polling place had both Republicans and Democrats as judges and poll workers. Same with the counting areas. There's multiple audit trails for each machine (as I've said frequently, I'm an election judge. I didn't work this election but I've worked elections for the past four years.)

The observers really are trivial and if there WAS some horrible fraud, they actually couldn't spot it (they just see people feeding ballots into the counter) -- and most poll watchers are enthusiasts doing it on behalf of a particular politician and have no training except how to stand out of the way and maybe what they think they should look for. The ones who would see a fraud are the various supervisors and workers.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Gryphon66

The problem is, not everyone registers to vote at the DMV. It's the federal application(s) that make it so anyone can register to vote without proof of ID...and it can be done online with an electronic signature. The states have effectively given up their plenary power to regulate the manner of appointing electors to the federal government.

If they don't have the proper ID, they're given a provisional ballot and in order for it to count, they have to show up at the elections office within a certain time period and prove who they are. (see the Georgia voters guide here on provisional ballots)

There's an audit trail for each of those.

Mysterious ballots with no proof aren't counted.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Poll watchers are permitted behind the enclosed space for the purpose of observing the conduct of the election, and the counting and recording of votes. Poll watchers are not to interfere with the conduct of the election, and the poll manager may make reasonable regulations to avoid such interference. If a poll watcher persists in interfering with the conduct of the election or is in violation of any of the provisions of the Official Code of Georgia after being warned by the poll manager or the election superintendent, the poll watcher may be removed by such official.

Poll watchers are prohibited from: talking to voters; checking the electors list (to see who has voted); participating in any other form of campaigning; using photographic or other electronic monitoring or recording devices; using cellular phones.
Any infractions or irregularities with respect to the conduct of the election observed by a poll watcher shall be reported directly to the election superintendent, not to the poll manager.

Candidate Training Guide - Secretary of State Georgia

Rules and Regulations of the State of Georgia

OCGA 21-2-408

Errr thats from 2010 try there may or may not be some changes it is 2020 after all don't you think regardless look at my post from the 2019 code on absentee ballot tabulation.

a reply to: Byrd

I am talking about registering to vote.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Gryphon66

Ok, i thought that order was extended. Admittedly, I haven't looked at that because I don't see a point in spending time on it.

As far as anecdotal evidence goes, I'm a Georgia Resident, I had to request an absentee ballot for the November 3 election.

Did you receive an unsolicited mail ballot also like some people did ? 😎🚬

For the primaries?

Nope.

How about the Nov 3rd election?😃❗

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Gryphon66

The problem is, not everyone registers to vote at the DMV. It's the federal application(s) that make it so anyone can register to vote without proof of ID...and it can be done online with an electronic signature. The states have effectively given up their plenary power to regulate the manner of appointing electors to the federal government.

In Georgia, folks can get the Real ID compliant ID (including a signature) at the DMV or at the county elections office.

If they don't have a compliant ID on file, I do not believe they can vote (whether in person or by absentee.)

My state allowed people to use the federal postcard application (used for overseas and military voters) to register to vote and request an absentee ballot. No ID necessary. It was tricky to tease that out of the emergency order because you had to read the statues and administrative rules that were affected along with it. I am sure not many did that. I don't know if Georgia permitted the federal application to be used or not.

EDIT: Oh, and my state allowed people to receive e-ballots through Scytl.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Gryphon66

Ok, i thought that order was extended. Admittedly, I haven't looked at that because I don't see a point in spending time on it.

As far as anecdotal evidence goes, I'm a Georgia Resident, I had to request an absentee ballot for the November 3 election.

Did you receive an unsolicited mail ballot also like some people did ? 😎🚬

For the primaries?

Nope.

How about the Nov 3rd election?😃❗

I recieved the ballot after I requested it.

To my knowledge, no applications were sent out for the November 3 election. We are no longer under a medical emergency order as we were on May 5.

Essentially, you DO have observers from both parties present at all times... because the ballots are counted by both Republicans and Democrats and Independents and others. External observers don't add much to the situation and (unless they've actually WORKED that part of the election, they don't really know what's going on. Same as if you watch a fencing match... you see two people whacking at each other with a sword whereas a fencer sees a parry in 6th and a reposte in 8th and a lunge and so forth.

Not in the case of State Farm Arena, it shows it emptying out all persons remaining have been identified the only question remains were they counting ballots?

It's pretty obvious they were counting ballots, the absentee ballots brought in at 8:00 in the morning and ignored the whole day till the room was emptied out.

Watch the video of the hearing. If they aren't counting ballots fine, maybe they are making copies of their Christmas cards at 12:30 in the morning. That's the question

Were they counting ballots after 10:45pm? Yes or No

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I can't comment on that.

In my opinion, every vote should be connected to positive ID.

Ridiculous.

a reply to: putnam6

This question has been brought up in court (dismissed) and investigated by the Secretary of State who has said no laws were broken.

There were officials from the Election Commission and the Secretary of State's office on site during the counting.

The specific case that Guiliiani filed regarding the video wasn't filed correctly and so was dismised.

I think another thing when mentioning is that, even if it could be shown that these procedural changes were enacted illegally, it still doesn't justify throwing out millions of votes.

Think about anytime a gerrymandering case goes to court. When it's shown in a court of law that precincts have been drawn to illegally give one party an unfair advantage over the other do ask the votes from those precincts suddenly get tossed out? No.

So if the courts are unwilling to throw out thousands of votes over procedural issues, why do you think they'd do it with millions of votes?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
I think another thing when mentioning is that, even if it could be shown that these procedural changes were enacted illegally, it still doesn't justify throwing out millions of votes.

All legal voters are disenfranchised by fraud. I wish that was taken into consideration sometimes.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
... and yet, to date, no fraud has been proven in any court after more than 50 cases.

Anyone can claim anything, proving it is another matter.

You don't have to prove fraud to prove that States changed election laws in violation of their own constitutions and the Federal Constitution.

sheesh

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Sure, what better way to insure that the Fourteenth Amendment is being followed than to invalidate millions of votes willy-nilly.

You can't make this $%#@ up.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Gryphon66
... and yet, to date, no fraud has been proven in any court after more than 50 cases.

Anyone can claim anything, proving it is another matter.

You don't have to prove fraud to prove that States changed election laws in violation of their own constitutions and the Federal Constitution.

sheesh

I showed what you said.

No States have been shown in court to have "changed their election laws, etc."

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: putnam6

This question has been brought up in court (dismissed) and investigated by the Secretary of State who has said no laws were broken.

There were officials from the Election Commission and the Secretary of State's office on site during the counting.

The specific case that Guiliiani filed regarding the video wasn't filed correctly and so was dismised.

Pretty sure no case previously presented had the video.

Which means it will be refiled don't you think?

Regardless we will see, again I want it to be challenged if it has no merit it has no merit, being filed incorrectly doesn't mean it didn't have merit.

So I can put you down saying no they were not counting ballots after 10:45 pm in State Farm Arena on the night of the election. Or do you still assert it's not against the Georgia Voting code to do so?

originally posted by: SleeperHasAwakened
I'd really like to understand what the procedural differences were, and justification for why they were made.

Pretty sure that has to do with allowing people to cure absentee ballots, even proactively helping them do so, in the heavily democrat counties, but not in the R counties...