Businesses Close To Protect Us They Need Reimbursed By Us

a reply to: IceHappy

You seem confused? I'm suggesting people help each other rather than relying on government so much. That's real help without the waste. We either prop ourselves up, or have the government raise taxes and waste a lot of it.

a reply to: Blaine91555

Look at taxation from WWII, along with wages (true value of wages). Recovering from WWII was a little different.

Fix the stagnated wages. Remove the overtaxation of the middle class and put it back on the corporate world. Then we can talk. As it stands...this conversation has Burd and I agreeing more and more the longer I think about it.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I've had my economic security damaged enough that im considering taking my skills/talents to government work instead of the entrepreneurialism that I have embraced for so long. We will see what they do with my wages come January. If its not all restored and made whole....ill seek employment as an accountant with one of the local cities or banks that has some openings.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: IceHappy

You seem confused? I'm suggesting people help each other rather than relying on government so much. That's real help without the waste. We either prop ourselves up, or have the government raise taxes and waste a lot of it.

I think we should defund our politicians and I’m being very serious. The gov’s mismanagement of our tax dollars has been a major derelict of duty by our elected officials for decades and has only gotten worse and will continue to worsen the more power we give them. They need to be put in their place and no better way to do that than hitting them in the pocketbook.

I know, maybe a pipe dream but they need to realize who they work for and who pays for their lavish and luxurious lifestyles. Our politicians have become to complacent and disconnected from the people they serve.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Blaine91555

Look at taxation from WWII, along with wages (true value of wages). Recovering from WWII was a little different.

Fix the stagnated wages. Remove the overtaxation of the middle class and put it back on the corporate world. Then we can talk. As it stands...this conversation has Burd and I agreeing more and more the longer I think about it.

That's the era that started us down this path of darkness. FDR moved well beyond the Constitutionally defined roles of government and mutated the whole system into the massive, constantly hungry, money grubbing machine that is crushing us under its thumb today.

Simply put, the government wields far too much power and far, far too much monetary control. If we return to the proper course as the nation's Founders envisioned, people are going to feel pain... some will feel it very, very harshly BUT the country would come out of that stronger than we've ever been. We'd have a merit based economy (as it should be), and that economy wouldn't be based on fiats and government whims. We'd also have a population that was once again tough as nails individualists that the rest of the world wouldn't stand a chance against competitively speaking.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
PM for you...

originally posted by: Blaine91555
I find it interesting that the idea of neighbor helping neighbor, in the same way we help people from other countries after a disaster is so controversial. Why is that exactly?

Because many states have locked down citizens for so long, they do not know if the lockdowns will ever go away.
I think people are afraid to do too much because they do not know if they can survive with what they have.

The fear and panic have people by the balls.
And, TBH, without structure, how can businesses be saved by individuals?

a reply to: Blaine91555


No you seemed confused.... why should people who never cared about the American victims of war, created by the politicians and taxes (The Voting populations), whilst the system who made promises and never kept them care about a failed businessman?

If Amerika cannot take care of their children who did their duty for YOUR freedom, who came back with no to very little help (from anyone including the VA who was assigned this task) and much rage from the Californian students at Universities who burned down their Universities then 6 years later became the bosses over entry level jobs with unique attitudes to us who did our duty! There was no spirit no charity not even a level job compare to fellow worker who was a non veteran!

Why One group who were out for as much money as they can make i.e. capitalism which is a gamble VS the returning Vet of VN some of us had no choice prison or Nam?

Amerika is not that place you are dreaming on for helping others.

I guess you are too young to understand and perhaps you did not see as I did the Universities that burned, riots and disrespect for returning soldiers!

Perhaps some of the spirit you suggested would have made a difference to me at the time and I would not be living in a land of accents.

It just isn't there. That is what I learned, which, they do not teach you growing up!

BTW there were more Vets on the streets needing help than fail businesses and that was when Amerika homeless problem started. The Vets dropped out then...... well San Francisco streets the last 5 years on 1 visit each year is a city of poop and homeless.... Most of my era are passing now or too old to be on the streets.

Sorry its hard to see one group chosen as fail business over Veterans. Everyone has a self interest group. Business will live on Vets with rejections have ruined life. My life change when I left Amerika for a fantastic life but I still have pain (disabled) mental and physical but the worse was the lack of Spirit which you are suggesting.

IMHO there is not this Spirit of help.

I will tell you who needs help and donations are the ZOOs, the animals need our help in feeding and funding... not special interest groups

originally posted by: Blaine91555
I spend my workdays talking to business owners and managers, so I have a good idea of what's happening.

If a business closes due to a government order to protect the public, the public should immediately reimburse them, and their employees out of their pockets. They should be made whole and made whole quickly.

I talk to businesses all day long while working, and the damage is way worse than people realize. Many are not public facing businesses and are not visible, but they are being destroyed. All to protect other people. The idea that so many will end up destroyed with no compensation is crazy.

Many businesses I talk to have had a normal year and some even have had increased profits due to COVID-19. For them it's a big nothing and just an inconvenience. Too many of them however, are telling me they will be closed by February or have already closed. Some owners sound almost suicidal.

Why were they destroyed? To protect everyone else, and let's be honest here, they should be immediately made whole by the people they closed to protect.

Too much attention is being paid to who they are protecting at great personal sacrifice, but little is being said these days about what happens to those who lose it all, in many cases a lifetime of work gone.

I'm only able to post between trying to pay my bills, so be patient if I'm slow to reply.

Note: This is not political so nothing political should be in any reply. Please keep this clean. Pretty Please!

They were closed to make everyone fearful. This virus doesn’t warrant closing everything down. Not now and not back in March. I know you want the politics left out of it, but can you think of another reason why a virus that is basically harmless to folks under 50 could have drummed up such a draconian response?

Rules that businesses had to follow, but the governors themselves didn’t?

I’ll let you think about it for awhile and see what you come up with.

a reply to: Blaine91555

An Atlanta community came together to help raise nearly $150,000 in a little more than a day for a restaurant on the brink of closing because of coronavirus-related financial trouble.

A loyal customer at Manuel's Tavern, an 8,000-square-foot neighborhood bar that seats 340 people and has been around since 1956, asked locals to donate to the venue's fundraiser, which was posted on crowdfunding website GoFundMe with a $75,000 goal.

"I knew in the first week of September. I knew we were going to permanently close sometime in December," Brian Maloof, owner of Manuel's Tavern, told Fox News on Friday. "I mentioned it to a customer in October. ... He begged me to do a fundraiser, and I didn't want to because it kind of went against family policy."

Some people have even stopped by the restaurant to give Maloof cash in envelopes, he said, recalling a nine-month period when Manuel's Tavern closed for renovation and customers were beside themselves.

FOX News

a reply to: Gryphon66

Nice, but in some states, all the restaurants are closed to dine-in.
All, or many, face permanent closures.

If you don't live in one of those states, it's hard to comprehend.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: IceHappy

You seem confused? I'm suggesting people help each other rather than relying on government so much. That's real help without the waste. We either prop ourselves up, or have the government raise taxes and waste a lot of it.

nice. give me money then.
i have a business could really use your help...

your idea

a reply to: IceHappy

I will tell you who needs help and donations are the ZOOs, the animals need our help in feeding and funding... not special interest groups

That's quite telling. That you place animals in a Zoo above your own species.

We are of similar age. You mention San Francisco. The place where the bad stuff happened to returning Vet's, were Liberal cites like that. That was not true throughout the rest of the country. Lots of Vet's from that time are now business owners by the way.

I went to college in one of those cities. When I left the armpit and returned to sanity away from those places, it was the same as when I left. Returning Vet's were honored and respected. The US is not one homogenous entity. The cancer exists in those cities.

Small businesses typically work harder for less money. Only the illiterate believe they are privileged. Like I mentioned, more than a few are themselves Vet's and who is it you think supports local Veterans charities? I've done a lot of fundraising for various causes. Millions over the years. The donations come from local mom-and-pop businesses.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: IceHappy

I will tell you who needs help and donations are the ZOOs, the animals need our help in feeding and funding... not special interest groups

That's quite telling. That you place animals in a Zoo above your own species.

He's not entirely wrong. Look at Venezuela. When/if the socializing of the United States reaches it's apex, those zoos will serve as food banks for the starving masses who have become reliant on hand outs to feed themselves over the past couple of decades.

a reply to: Blaine91555

Hmm, I see you skipped over this comment like it's invisible:

originally posted by: booyakasha

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: IceHappy

You seem confused? I'm suggesting people help each other rather than relying on government so much. That's real help without the waste. We either prop ourselves up, or have the government raise taxes and waste a lot of it.

nice. give me money then.
i have a business could really use your help...

your idea

You also still haven't detailed your own spending output, either. I already pointed out that if you're still buying discretionary items (let's clarify that as mass-produced Big Co. items) and socking away savings, that you're destroying your own argument. Let me further clarify that if you're not putting your money -- ALL of your money -- where your mouth is, you are in no position to pressure that out of others.

Literally just signed in to say how idiotic is post is.

a reply to: Blaine91555

Nope I place Californians, Oregon and Washington that reject their own children on that level YES! Also many states place illegals with homes, food and medicine imagine what that money could do for those returning Veterans of VN.

Animals are innocent and captured for our selfish pleasures, unless you are paying attention the Zoos are hurting all over the world! It's a major crises! This crises Blaine is all over the world!!!! If you are not aware I suggest you step out of your species and check "real world news" Charities and Zoos are not receiving visitors (admission fees) purchased food to feed the animals in front of the guests little ones. Nobody is purchasing in the gift store and nobody is feeding the donation tins at the Zoo. What do you think these animals can do when they are hungry and Zookeepers are fighting to feed them? They cannot restart as business people can. Hmmm I witnessed what the Libtards of Amerika do, they hit the streets burn, loot and create barriers so that ambulances and police cannot come in to restore law and order. I also witness Statues of history removed and could not believe the idget who was directing a removal of high statue with 3 kids on drugs that removed the statue from up high which clipped the Libtard director of the fray, top of head off.

The animals hmmm yep more civilized!

I watched a former neighbour in Piedmont Cali video Broadway Oakland where the Chats, "Death to America"!

You forgot the fray in Portland and Seattle! CHOP! Three fav cities destroyed, and your right a small % of business are VN era Vets, very small, but, I believe there are more business run by those protesters that burned down Unis in 1960s and 70s children! If you are not a Vet yourself you should just sit and talk with my peers in a VA hospital. I do on each trip to the US. My lady travels as a CEO and I am her bag carrier, driver and bodyguard.... Lucky me.

My point is business is a contact sport, do not get hurt out there! I have ran two business for 5 years and then stopped one as the economy did not support it did 105 trade show to prove that. The computer business took off big time as an independant working in a remote village for European distribution of products made in Huntsville Al. My clients were MODs 3 different countries, Software House and large corporations lol many in fake news outlets. I saw my first business was not making it so lol I learned Hardware and became an expert. My company had to change directions in 1985. I retired in 2005 having made enough and could not compete against the manufacturer who went from 8 people to a Fortune 100 Corp and now selling direct. That's the American way! Also important point Cybex employed housewives to make cable in the beginning. I was really impressed that they were helping Americans..... 5 years later all was made in China, Taiwan and Malaysia! Funny just because I was hurt by Amerika I still wanted to help with the balance of trade. Don't know what happened to the 300 ladies who worked for them....

See Blaine, Business is a contact sport! You take risks and chances! If you don't change or diversify you die and historically nobody bails you out unless you are a Bush and Chrysler!

Your returning Veterans from VN were the heroes as we had no choice, Businesses did and believe me I have seen many entrepreneurs where I live create new businesses and/or create their own luck! Many have gone internet!

The business I feel bad for in YOUR country are not the ones staying home and doing nothing to enhance their situation, but, the ones in So Cali, Portland and Seattle not to forget other cities where the client base or customers burned and robbed and destroyed businesses. Had your OP talked about these as examples I would have let it go and felt empathically. I would not consider business people staying home and doing nothing to enhance their situation as heroes as some of us VN Vets have medals for that and the cost of our lives being interrupted has NEVER been calculated or reimbursed! NOT even the VA promises before contract was signed. I was decorated enough to have stayed in by having surrendered VN and those brave South VN friends were left to be murder I could not stay in so 1976 ETSed.

Yes I see modern Vets creating business for their peers. I love seeing this. The modern Vets are all volunteers with no draft as an incentive to join. Sad I am a member of "The VN Vets Against the War", there is now "Afghanistan Vets Against the War" and "Iraqi Vets Against the War"! Our protest to educate the young not to join, won me on the No Fly List which give a bit of excitement when nearly strip searched heading for the departure gates. Naomi Wolf lectures from her book, "The End of America" explains this she demonstrated what 4 lots of SSSS stamped on our board cards meant.

N.B. I don't write on ATS because my back is so full of holes being stabbed in the few years after discharge in the US, I know my emotions, so I don't (that is to answer why so little posts), nobody wants to hear this.... Likewise hearing the libtard politicians supporting these criminals caught on camera in the cities destroyed by violence and theft should be the ones to support their victims which your OP excluded!

a reply to: Gryphon66

One of our restaurants, when it closed, elicited letters from congressmen expressing condolence and outrage.

We still are not renewing the building lease. And partners are ignoring cash calls to save it. Tye brand will live on in another location...for now. But it was a loss of employment for 70 some odd people.

In my job I am busier than ever, I too visit business, everybody is masked up, so business is allowed to continue.
The implementation of the 6' rule, masks and numerous clear plastic barriers have allowed most business to stay open.
But staffing is an issue, people use to power through minor stuff(sickness), but due to COVID they don't anymore; many companies now require a daily COVID report, and it basically means in less you feel 100% you don't have to work. But these are other issues, for example somebody has breathing issues not related to COVID and they are staying home now, because it is too hard to breath with a mask on all day.

a reply to: IceHappy

Point of order, for many species, zoos have successful breeding programs. Most of the animals you see are captive bred or else so damaged they could not go back into the wild. I know the bald eagles in all the zoos in this area are missing wings or otherwise crippled to an extent that they could not go back into the wild, for example.

One of the first things a zoo network does is try to figure out how to breed so they can stop taking animals out of the wild as much as possible and set up stud books to keep their captive group as genetically diverse as possible. There are animals in the wild who are only there thanks to captive breeding programs inside zoos.

In that sense, zoos are very important as a life raft for some animals in the wild.