Absolute Proof the Earth is Round NOT Flat!

originally posted by: AncientHeru
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I haven’t been to space but I’ve seen the firmament and what’s above the firmament.

And when I observe the planets, moon, stars, some of the closest galaxies with my binoculars and telescope, I see right through your false firmament and narrative.

Again….

You

Meteorites are pieces of the firmament.

Are caught in a false statement, easily proven false, with zero evidence of actually occurring.

Then your “dome” is falling apart. And has holes in it. Which is at odds with the fact meteorites have literally been practically observed and proven to be composed of rock and elements. From a large group of objects observed and verified to be orbiting the sun along with earth.

Your unproven “observations” are at odds with a large body of work, physical evidence, and observed objects is space.

So you labeled an asteroid belt firmament.

Big deal. When your “observation” has no practicality achieved by what people call and catalog as asteroids.

originally posted by: AncientHeru
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I haven’t been to space but I’ve seen the firmament and what’s above the firmament.

And even though I'm sitting waiting for Mars, I don't believe there's any future in cars.

originally posted by: AncientHeru
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I haven’t been to space but I’ve seen the firmament and what’s above the firmament.

How does parallax work with the firmament?

originally posted by: AncientHeru
a reply to: sraven

If earth is a round disk, it would show a curve also.

There are any number of methods for determining the physical characteristics of the earth.
These take some degree of aptitude and training, but are not beyond the reach of most individuals.
However, the population as a whole,
regardless of their aptitude and training,
are quite able to live happy healthy lives,
whether there earth is flat or a globe.
It is interesting however, that with 8 billion people and 5 billion smart phones on the planet,
no one has managed to take a picture of people falling off the edge.
(and we know based on the Jackass Videos, that there are folks who will sit in a lawn chair with helium balloons attached and try.
But then they also have yet to take a picture of a UFO and we know those are real.

a reply to: sraven

It is interesting however, that with 8 billion people and 5 billion smart phones on the planet,
no one has managed to take a picture of people falling off the edge.

Much less the “ice wall” before you get to the edge that is claimed to be the Antarctic.

To bad flat earther’s couldn’t rent some sort of flying contraption and fly over the wall to the edge. And there was some sort of device to capture what is seen.

Oh well.

a reply to: turbonium1

If north and south is north and south in North America on fantasy flat earth, wouldn’t you have to go east from Africa to get to Antarctica?



Sorry for the lines. Pic used in a different post.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

If north and south is north and south in North America on fantasy flat earth, wouldn’t you have to go east from Africa to get to Antarctica?

Sorry for the lines. Pic used in a different post.

No, you wouldn't. Direct north is the exact center point of Earth, so everywhere opposite of the center is to the south, where they claim there is an 'uninhabited' continent called 'Antarctica'.

The ball Earth should have two magnetic poles, one in the north, and one in the south. But as we know, there's only ONE magnetic center, at the direct north point of Earth - which fits the flat Earth model, but NOT the ball Earth model.

a reply to: turbonium1

You are aware that you can physically visit both poles, correct?

And I mean anyone. They have packages if you got the money.

originally posted by: turbonium1


No, you wouldn't. Direct north is the exact center point of Earth, so everywhere opposite of the center is to the south,

So what happens if you keep walking south from the direct centre

what is the distance from direct centre to the edge on the flat earth model? and what happens if i exceed it when traveling south?

edit

Also are there no degrees in the flat earth model, can i walk south east or south west or only south? as you said "everywhere opposite of the center is to the south"

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

If north and south is north and south in North America on fantasy flat earth, wouldn’t you have to go east from Africa to get to Antarctica?

Sorry for the lines. Pic used in a different post.

No, you wouldn't. Direct north is the exact center point of Earth, so everywhere opposite of the center is to the south, where they claim there is an 'uninhabited' continent called 'Antarctica'.

The ball Earth should have two magnetic poles, one in the north, and one in the south. But as we know, there's only ONE magnetic center, at the direct north point of Earth - which fits the flat Earth model, but NOT the ball Earth model.

Erm, you you really don't understand the way that magnetism works, do you?
Just stop. You're enough of a laughing stock already. Just stop.

a reply to: UpThenDown


Just head due east from California and you reach Antarctica. You would think something like that would be noticeable. Head due east on flat earth from the tip of Florida you end up in Honduras. Navigation on flat earth doesn't work and flat earthers know this and avoid the topic.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: AncientHeru

My God created a universe as vast and endless as God’s mind.

While you box your little g god into a fish bowl

“The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands” (Psalm 19:1)

You glorify your god in your way. I’ll glorify my God in my way.

There's one God, our only God, our creator, of all that exists, in heaven, and on Earth!


The firmament is what bothers you, and others, which is perfectly understandable, of course.

That's why God didn't make it appear to us like a 'fishbowl', or a cage...

The Earth is NOT all that exists, or something, it's only a PART of all that exists.


It comes down to a single word, or term - firmament.

Compare Translations for Psalms 19:1


American Standard Version (1901)
Psalm 19:1 (ASV) The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament showeth his handiwork.

The Bible in Basic English 1941
Psalm 19:1 (BBE) The heavens are sounding the glory of God; the arch of the sky makes clear the work of his hands.

Common English Bible 2011
Psalm 19:1 (CEB) Heaven is declaring God's glory; the sky is proclaiming his handiwork.

Common English Bible w/ Apocrypha 2011
Psalm 19:1 (CEBA) Heaven is declaring God's glory; the sky is proclaiming his handiwork.

The Complete Jewish Bible 1998 -translated from original Hebrew and Greek
Psalm 19:1 (CJB) For the leader. A psalm of David: The heavens declare the glory of God, the dome of the sky speaks the work of his hands.

Holman Christian Standard Bible 1988
Psalm 19:1 (CSB) The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky proclaims the work of His hands.

The Darby Translation 1867, 1872, 1884
Psalm 19:1 (DBY) [To the chief Musician. A Psalm of David.] The heavens declare the glory of God; and the expanse sheweth the work of his hands.

English Standard Version 2001
Psalm 19:1 (ESV) The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.

Good News Translation 1966
Psalm 19:1 (GNT) How clearly the sky reveals God's glory! How plainly it shows what he has done!

Good News Translation w/ Apocrypha 1979
Psalm 19:1 (GNTA) How clearly the sky reveals God's glory! How plainly it shows what he has done!

GOD'S WORD Translation 1995
Psalm 19:1 (GW) The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky displays what his hands have made.

Hebrew Names Version 1997 revision of 1901 ASV
Psalm 19:1 (HNV) The heavens declare the glory of God. The expanse shows his handiwork.

Jubilee Bible 2000 100 BC
Psalm 19:1 (JUB) The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows the work of his hands.

King James Version 1611
Psalm 19:1 (KJV) The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

King James Version w/ Apocrypha 1611
Psalm 19:1 (KJVA) The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork .

Lexham English Bible 2012
Psalm 19:1 (LEB) The heavens [are] telling the glory of God, and the firmament proclaims the work of his hands.

The Message Bible 2002
Psalm 19:1 (MSG) God's glory is on tour in the skies, God-craft on exhibit across the horizon.

New American Standard Bible 1971
Psalm 19:1 (NAS) The heavens are telling of the glory of God; And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.

New Century Version 1987
Psalm 19:1 (NCV) The heavens tell the glory of God, and the skies announce what his hands have made.

New International Reader's Version 1996
Psalm 19:1 (NIRV) The heavens tell about the glory of God. The skies show that his hands created them.

New International Version 1978
Psalm 19:1 (NIV) The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.

New King James Version 1982
Psalm 19:1 (NKJV) To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork.

New Living Translation 1996
Psalm 19:1 (NLT) The heavens proclaim the glory of God. The skies display his craftsmanship.

New Revised Standard
Psalm 19:1 (NRS) The heavens are telling the glory of God; and the firmament proclaims his handiwork.

New Revised Standard w/ Apocrypha
Psalm 19:1 (NRSA) The heavens are telling the glory of God; and the firmament proclaims his handiwork.

Orthodox Jewish Bible 2002
Tehillim 19:1 (OJB) 9 (For the one directing. Mizmor Dovid) HaShomayim declare the kavod of G-d; and the raki’a (firmament) showeth His handiwork.

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible
Psalm 19:1 (RHE) (18-1) <Unto the end. A Psalm Chapter for David.> (18-2) The heavens shew forth the glory of God, and the firmament declareth the work of his hands.

Revised Standard Version
Psalm 19:1 (RSV) To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens are telling the glory of God; and the firmament proclaims his handiwork.

Revised Standard Version w/ Apocrypha
Psalm 19:1 (RSVA) To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens are telling the glory of God; and the firmament proclaims his handiwork.

Third Millennium Bible
Psalm 19:1 (TMB) The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth His handiwork.

Third Millennium Bible w/ Apocrypha
Psalm 19:1 (TMBA) The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth His handiwork.

The Webster Bible
Psalm 19:1 (WBT) To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth the work of his hands.

World English Bible
Psalm 19:1 (WEB) The heavens declare the glory of God. The expanse shows his handiwork.

Wycliffe
Psalm 19:1 (WYC) To victory, the psalm of David. Heavens tell out the glory of God; and the firmament telleth the works of his hands.

Young's Literal Translation
Psalm 19:1 (YLT) To the Overseer. -- A Psalm of David. The heavens [are] recounting the honour of God, And the work of His hands The expanse [is] declaring.

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Why would firmament be changed into 'sky', or 'skies', or 'expanse'?

They are inaccurate terms, because in original Hebrew, the word used is 'raki'a', or 'raqia', which means 'dome', or 'arch', in fact. They have other terms for the sky, or skies, or an expanse.

It means a dome, or arch, or firmament, in a direct translation from Hebrew.

To claim it means 'sky', or 'skies', or 'an expanse', is BS, a corruption of the original term, in Hebrew, meaning 'dome' or 'arch' or at very least, 'firmament'.

The direct translation is 'dome', or 'arch', which is used in some early versions of the Bible, being they used a direct translation from Hebrew, into English, and other languages.

Obviously, it's changed into 'sky', or 'skies', or 'expanse', to support the ball Earth BS, same as usual.

a reply to: turbonium1

“The lips of wisdom are closed, except to the ears of Understanding"

Thank you! Someone who understands!

We have all these "experts" in here that know nothing about "space" other then what's been crammed into their heads since they were born.

Peace be with you friend.

Isiah 40:22

"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"

Haven't read all of this thread, just a little bit so forgive me if this has already been posted

www.youtube.com...

It's 5 hrs ! But the last hour, I think, is the most interesting. It relates to 'God,s Clock'. or something like the Prague Astronomical clock.

The idea is our 'realm' is contained within a much larger plane, which it travels fully around every 26 thousand years or so...

Hadn't heard of this before now...

a reply to: guidedbyblake

Yeah its called the precession of the equinoxes. Its roughly 25,920 years and its broken up into twelve periods which are the twelve constellations.

We just exited the age of Pisces and entered the age of Aquarius around the end of 2012. That is why people are starting to learn the truth.

The age of Aquarius is an astrological era believed to bring increased spirituality and harmony on earth.

New age new rules.

originally posted by: turbonium1
The firmament is what bothers you, and others, which is perfectly understandable, of course.

Don't know about anyone else but what bothers me is your insistence that it exists without any proof, other than old stories, and then you hypocritically use that same argument against the curvature of the earth while dismissing much more proof than you have offered for the firmament.

a reply to: AncientHeru

Thanks AncientHeru,

The bit on that video, at the end, suggests the moon as a mirror, mirroring the whole 'plane', (at one, past, point in time), showing (kind of..!), the other lands beyond our known 'realm' !

That's the bit I hadn't heard of before, moon as mirror, showing the whole 'plane'. Nice idea, anyway.

a reply to: daskakik

Your scientific "proof" can be fabricated.

You have to understand how consciousness and dimensions work.

Ill try to explain but it's not easy concept to explain quickly.

Plants, animals and humans all have consciousness, well call each one a kingdom (plant kingdom, animal kingdom, human kingdom.) Each kingdom has exponentially more levels of mentation and activity then the lower kingdoms. For example; plants could never fathom the concept of being able to walk, which animals do very easily. Animals could never fathom the concept of a cell phones, air planes, tv's, cars, etc which humans use everyday with ease.

Now using the universal truth of correspondence, there are kingdoms above us. We have the mentation of animals compared to the next kingdom above us, and the mentation of plants compared to the kingdom above them.

These higher kingdoms could easily trick us as easily as we trick plants to grow in a warehouse under artificial lighting, or we trick animals to live in zoos or farms.

Thats why when we get information through school or tvs, etc. that we have not directly experienced ourselves, we can be led down any road that these very intelligent (compared to us) kingdoms want us to believe.

Our science and logic is like the logic of a plant trying to figure out the world humans live in.

Scriptures are trustworthy testimony, and like I said, I have seen the firmament so I have direct experience of it.

a reply to: AncientHeru
Your religious bias is bleeding through.

There is nothing that makes scripture any more trustworthy than science.

Like I said, you saw something and molded it to your cultural experience. Yes, you saw the firmament, not because that is what it was because that is what you wanted it to be.

Also it is unfair of you to say people don't have any first hand experiences and can only speak about what has been "what's been crammed into their heads since they were born".

I was talking about people on ATS probably have no direct space experience. As well as 99.99999992% of the worlds population.

I was anti religoius and scripturally ignorant at the time so i don't get how my cultural experience would shape what i saw.

Also there are so many holes in space theory. for example

" some of the tapes that had original footage of the Apollo 11 moonwalk has concluded that they were probably destroyed during a period when NASA was erasing old magnetic tapes and reusing them to record satellite data."

How could they "accidently erase moon footage thats so important?"

"The Dutch national museum said Thursday that one of its prized possessions, a rock supposedly brought back from the moon by U.S. astronauts, is just a piece of petrified wood."

Why would nasa give another country a peice of wood claiming to be a moon rock? It would have been simple to give them the actually rock if they realy had it.

Why are there no stars in the background on the original moon tape footage.

Why could we go to the moon in 1969 and not now. It would be mich harder to fake with todays cameras.

I could go on and on if you would like. Why have so many problems with a sound sceintific truth?