Absolute Proof the Earth is Round NOT Flat!

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo

All you need to do, and this shouldn't be difficult for you because apparently you must have proof of it, is supply evidence that von Braun insisted this was to be his epitaph, that the bible used specifically referenced 'firmament', if it did reference it that von Braun specifically believed it to be a solid barrier that rendered his life's work pointless, and that he he was leaving cryptic clues for morons to drool over instead of just picking a nice bible verse that alluded to his dream of space exploration.

When it's inscribed on his tombstone, that alone is proof he meant it to be his epitaph. Even more, because there is not a single reason, or any indication, that it was NOT what he requested be put on his tombstone.

It is YOUR claim that is trying to claim otherwise, without any evidence to support that claim. The fact that it is inscribed on his tombstone proves he requested it, unless you have any evidence to suggest he did NOT request it. You have the burden of proving your claim, because it has no basis in fact, or any evidence to support it.

One's tombstone is as personal as it can get. What is ON one's tombstone, is at the person's own REQUEST, because it DOES represent that person, and ONLY that person has a right to what is on their tombstone.

Do you think people go around putting things on other people's tombstones, or something? That's ridiculous.

Hmm...don't see any evidence there. Maybe you forgot to post it. I'll repeat what you need to do, just in case you misunderstood what was required of you:

supply evidence that von Braun insisted this was to be his epitaph, that the bible used specifically referenced 'firmament', if it did reference it that von Braun specifically believed it to be a solid barrier that rendered his life's work pointless, and that he he was leaving cryptic clues for morons to drool over instead of just picking a nice bible verse that alluded to his dream of space exploration.

I have left no specific instructions for my tombstone. It will be left to my family to decide on something appropriate. Why would that be unusual?

What are clouds supposed to mean here, anyway? They are not mentioned in the firmament passages, so what are you talking about? The firmament holds the waters above Earth, not the clouds!

They are above us. They contain water. You can go through them. Duh.

a reply to: turbonium1

Oh turbo. If a “theory” has to use lies and change the subject from actual physical properties and physical phenomena to a dead mans’s grave stone, the “theory” is a lie.

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo

All you need to do, and this shouldn't be difficult for you because apparently you must have proof of it, is supply evidence that von Braun insisted this was to be his epitaph, that the bible used specifically referenced 'firmament', if it did reference it that von Braun specifically believed it to be a solid barrier that rendered his life's work pointless, and that he he was leaving cryptic clues for morons to drool over instead of just picking a nice bible verse that alluded to his dream of space exploration.

When it's inscribed on his tombstone, that alone is proof he meant it to be his epitaph. Even more, because there is not a single reason, or any indication, that it was NOT what he requested be put on his tombstone.

It is YOUR claim that is trying to claim otherwise, without any evidence to support that claim. The fact that it is inscribed on his tombstone proves he requested it, unless you have any evidence to suggest he did NOT request it. You have the burden of proving your claim, because it has no basis in fact, or any evidence to support it.

One's tombstone is as personal as it can get. What is ON one's tombstone, is at the person's own REQUEST, because it DOES represent that person, and ONLY that person has a right to what is on their tombstone.

Do you think people go around putting things on other people's tombstones, or something? That's ridiculous.




What are clouds supposed to mean here, anyway? They are not mentioned in the firmament passages, so what are you talking about? The firmament holds the waters above Earth, not the clouds!

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People do put stuff on other people's tomb stones - family and loved ones. Happens quite a lot.

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Sonoluminescence is a phenomenon where sounds waves cause a vial of water to generate a twinkling light. Considering that There is an abundance of ionized water in the ionosphere, I would suppose this is exactly what's happening to generate stars in this watery layer.

a reply to: cooperton

For this to be true you would need to have a solid body of water in the ionosphere held up by something invisible and multiple but somehow unheard very strong directional sound sources producing continuous points of light in exactly the same place every night.

So no.

Completely impossible and nothing like what is discussed in the video.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: cooperton

For this to be true you would need to have a solid body of water in the ionosphere held up by something invisible and multiple but somehow unheard very strong directional sound sources producing continuous points of light in exactly the same place every night.

So no.

Completely impossible and nothing like what is discussed in the video.

Don't be so quick to dismiss something because its different than something you're familiar with.

If the water is ionized it could be held by the magnetic fields of the earth (among other factors) and established at an equilibrium point. It is a fact that the plasma state of water is exhibited in the ionosphere... predominately H+ and O+ ions in a sea of electrons. The sonoluminescence effect is due to water entering a state of plasma. It matches perfectly

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: cooperton

For this to be true you would need to have a solid body of water in the ionosphere held up by something invisible and multiple but somehow unheard very strong directional sound sources producing continuous points of light in exactly the same place every night.

So no.

Completely impossible and nothing like what is discussed in the video.

Don't be so quick to dismiss something because its different than something you're familiar with.

If the water is ionized it could be held by the magnetic fields of the earth (among other factors) and established at an equilibrium point. It is a fact that the plasma state of water is exhibited in the ionosphere... predominately H+ and O+ ions in a sea of electrons. The sonoluminescence effect is due to water entering a state of plasma. It matches perfectly

No it couldnt be impossible also this requires a bubble to be made. This means you need a liquid and nature has already shown us how this works its the main weapon of pistol shrimp. They close their claw so quickly it creates a cavitation in the water this pressure creates light as well as sound wave similar to breaking the sound barrier.

This would not be practical as a light source since it requires the bubble to collapse. Meaning at best you get a strobe light not a constant light source. This only works on small scale because the energy you would need to make a star work would be more than the universe contains. Then there is the problem of creating a bubble that big need alot of noble gas such as argon. This is what you call missaplied science when someone has no clue about what they are talking about and access to the internet.

People who dont understand science should not try to use it. My advice study learn about the world around us and stop trying to make the universe fit your beliefs the universe doesnt care what you believe.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: cooperton

For this to be true you would need to have a solid body of water in the ionosphere held up by something invisible and multiple but somehow unheard very strong directional sound sources producing continuous points of light in exactly the same place every night.

So no.

Completely impossible and nothing like what is discussed in the video.

Don't be so quick to dismiss something because its different than something you're familiar with.

Don't be so quick to assume an expertise you don't have, or that your idea has been dismissed because someone else doesn't understand it. It's been dismissed because it doesn't make sense and doesn't match observed reality.

If the water is ionized it could be held by the magnetic fields of the earth (among other factors) and established at an equilibrium point. It is a fact that the plasma state of water is exhibited in the ionosphere... predominately H+ and O+ ions in a sea of electrons. The sonoluminescence effect is due to water entering a state of plasma. It matches perfectly

There is not enough material in the ionosphere to achieve this effect, nor is there any mechanism that would provide stable, consistent and permanent stars night after night after night. The feature in your video is produced in a gas pocket in a solid body of water, not the water itself. Even if it did occur, parallax would allow us determine the location of the resulting lights: the constellations would look different depending on the location of the observer, and they absolutely do not.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
It's been dismissed because it doesn't make sense and doesn't match observed reality.

Sonoluminescence is called star in a jar because it looks like a star. So I would say that matches observed reality very well. There is plasma water in the ionosphere, as proven by the fact that the ionosphere is mostly comprised of O+ and H+ ions)

It honestly fits perfectly in every way. It looks like starlight, behaves like starlight, and has the same chemical composition as plasma water. You can refuse to believe it... but you can't say it doesn't match observed reality

originally posted by: dragonridr
this requires a bubble to be made.

I would suppose the entire ionosphere - which is plasma water - would be able to enact this effect.

This would not be practical as a light source since it requires the bubble to collapse. Meaning at best you get a strobe light not a constant light source.

By strobe light do you mean like the twinkling of a star?

thanks for your support.

People who dont understand science should not try to use it. My advice study learn about the world around us and stop trying to make the universe fit your beliefs the universe doesnt care what you believe.

haha you're the same type of people that imprisoned Galileo for suggesting something new based on empirical evidence.

a reply to: cooperton

The entire ionosphere is "plasma water"?

You sure?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2


You swapped American politics for this?

Where is that literally pissing myself laughing emoji?

Good luck mate.

a reply to: Freeborn

As Arizona just certified for Biden I guess these folk have nowhere else to go now.

Just did a little wee laughing too.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: cooperton

The entire ionosphere is "plasma water"?

You sure?

It has the constituents of plasma water yes. Plasma water is water that is so hot that it turns into its constitutent monovalent ions: H+, and O+ which is exactly what we see in the ionosphere.

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fyi I think the shape of the earth is a 4D construct theorized by Einstein's relativity and the curvature of spacetime (I saw your jab at me in the other forum, not cool bud )

a reply to: cooperton

Yeah, but it was funny though.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: cooperton

Yeah, but it was funny though.

I'll admit I did crack a smile

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
It's been dismissed because it doesn't make sense and doesn't match observed reality.

Sonoluminescence is called star in a jar because it looks like a star. So I would say that matches observed reality very well.

"Looks like" and "is" are two different things. Snappy slogans for press releases are not the same as "actually a star".

There is plasma water in the ionosphere, as proven by the fact that the ionosphere is mostly comprised of O+ and H+ ions)

Plasma and water are not the same things. Oxygen also combines with the much more prevalent Nitrogen. Hydrogen and oxygen ions are not water, neither do they exist in quantities that allow any kind of volume of water to be created. How about you explain, in your own words, what that diagram means, because it absolutely does not say what you are claiming it does.

Here's the original source of that diagram:

www.cnofs.org...

See how many times you can find water mentioned in it.

It honestly fits perfectly in every way. It looks like starlight, behaves like starlight, and has the same chemical composition as plasma water. You can refuse to believe it... but you can't say it doesn't match observed reality

I can do both those things, because a brief twinke produced in laboratory conditions using a sound wave is absolutely not the same as the conditions in the ionosphere, neither can it possibly explain how constellations are produced and maintained continuously in the same position all the time.

originally posted by: dragonridr
this requires a bubble to be made.

I would suppose the entire ionosphere - which is plasma water - would be able to enact this effect.

The ionosphere is not plasma water. Plasma water is an oxymoron. You suppose wrong.

This would not be practical as a light source since it requires the bubble to collapse. Meaning at best you get a strobe light not a constant light source.

By strobe light do you mean like the twinkling of a star?

No, he means a strobe light.

thanks for your support.

None was given.

People who dont understand science should not try to use it. My advice study learn about the world around us and stop trying to make the universe fit your beliefs the universe doesnt care what you believe.

haha you're the same type of people that imprisoned Galileo for suggesting something new based on empirical evidence.

You are not Galileo. Nowhere near. Galileo did at least believe, with empircal evidence, in a heliocentric solar system and a spherical Earth, so throwing him into the mix doesn't sit well with flat Earth stupidity.

Ions in the ionosphere are produced by photo-excitation. See if you can fathom why that is somewhat in conflict with a nocturnal phenomenon.

It occurred to me that if we are going to argue that the ionosphere is full of water, is it adhering somehow magically to the curve of the alleged dome?

Sonoluminescence is a laboratory observed phenomenon produced under specific conditions that do not exist on the ionosphere. Stars sitting in the ionosphere could not possibly produce fixed constellations that are identical from any position on Earth. Stars in the ionosphere could not be photographed outside the ionosphere, which they have been.

The twinkling of stars is a produce of atmospheric turbulence. That's all there is to it.

double post.

a reply to: cooperton

Good for you!



At the end of the day, it's all a load of bollox anyway.

a reply to: Freeborn
Thats funny..it's like..I want to bang my noggin against a different wall!!

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo

Plasma and water are not the same things.

Of course not. Plasma is a state of matter. Water when it gets to certain conditions, behaves like plasma and it dissociates into its monovalent ions: H+ and O+

Oxygen also combines with the much more prevalent Nitrogen. Hydrogen and oxygen ions are not water, neither do they exist in quantities that allow any kind of volume of water to be created. How about you explain, in your own words, what that diagram means, because it absolutely does not say what you are claiming it does.

The diagram shows exactly what I am saying. If you look at the upper right portion you will see that H+, and O+ concentrations are off the charts, and therefore the most prevalent constituent of this layer. Again, this is clearly indicative of plasma water.

Here's the original source of that diagram:

www.cnofs.org...

See how many times you can find water mentioned in it.

You gotta start thinking for yourself. He gave us the data, now it is our job to interpret it. Water in its plasma state dissociates into its monovalent ions: O+ and H+, which is shown most abundantly in the ionosphere.

I can do both those things, because a brief twinke produced in laboratory conditions using a sound wave is absolutely not the same as the conditions in the ionosphere

It's not a brief twinkle, it is enduring. The researchers found that the sonoluminescence is due to water being turned to its plasma state - another connection that fits the idea I am putting forth.

, neither can it possibly explain how constellations are produced and maintained continuously in the same position all the time.

My guess would be that it is a sort of Hawking radiation. This would begin to apply Einstein's relativity theory to earth. This is a big step.

Plasma water is an oxymoron.

Yikes your condescending attitude might be able to trick some people, but this is just really dumb. Saying plasma water is an oxymoron is like saying water vapor is an oxymoron.

You are not Galileo. Nowhere near. Galileo did at least believe, with empircal evidence, in a heliocentric solar system and a spherical Earth, so throwing him into the mix doesn't sit well with flat Earth stupidity.

I clearly claimed a couple posts prior that I think the earth is a 4D spacetime construct and shouldn't be limited to 3D definitions. Come up a dimension bro.

Stars sitting in the ionosphere could not possibly produce fixed constellations that are identical from any position on Earth. The twinkling of stars is a produce of atmospheric turbulence. That's all there is to it.

It's really no more crazy than supposing that a bunch of floating spheres of mass are in such perfect equilibrium that we never see any variation in constellations. If they really are flinging around at super fast speeds super far away we would not see them orbiting like clockwork around our humble little earthly abode.