Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Nick amuses me. Rendlesham will never die if the men get their own way .

Nick Pope

"I've gone on record saying Rendlesham might be the turning point in history that leads to the explanation of the UFO phenomenon"

Come to think of it he should help the less fortunate and dig deep into his pocket and assist his fellow co authors to get that notebook authenticated if he was anyway serious.

Gaining perspective, what we see as ones very familiar with this ufo lore is something entirely different from those unfamiliar with the topic.

Nothing is new to us in that YouTube preview, but others will see it and be affected differently. We’ll watch it anyway in that it may have something novel.

This whole TTSA 2017 caper one might view as a disclosure somewhat, and at this point, it's marinating in the public’s consciousness. What comes of this?
Only time will tell.

Maybe nothing when the public sees what we have seen, which is the inability( even by the government) to understand this phenomenon.

Roswell is part Holy Grail, part sacred cow.

Except that everyone is focusing in the wrong place. Roswell is just a giant circus to satisfy the masses. Just one visit in that town was enough for me to last a lifetime. But: This is just as intended and everything is going according to plan. TT$A is just the updated digital version of the same MO. Recent generations are interested, but do not want to follow ageing hippies around in the desert lusting after little-green-man ice cream. A new pied piper is required to 'entertain' the next horde of inquisitors. Enter our 'rock star.

For a more interesting 3-D perspective, turn your attention to subterranean Wright Pat. I think your grail was actually residing there for some time...

Reid's Mr. Big may have the blueprints.

They'll cost 22 mil

Pope: "Roswell is part Holy Grail, part sacred cow".

More accurately: "Roswell is part Holy Grail, part cow's a$$".

His Holiness is hopelessly submerged in his UFOtainment status, and I bet even he believed that would never happen when he crossed the Atlantic. And yet he has effortlessly joined the Greer/LMH/etc crowd.

Pope's interaction with Steven Greenstreet in the early episodes of the latter's 'Basement Office' (by some margin arguably the best UFO documentary series on the web) were probably the last vestiges of Pope keeping his feet on the ground to some extent.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep

"Dr. Michio Kaku provides scientific analysis and commentary specific to what we know. Never before has a world-class scientist weighed in so deeply on the topic."

Kaku's been cheerleading for this bunch since day one and many folks suspect he's a Non Commissioned Officer.

He always makes the same bullet point about hypersonic drones although now looks like his script has been revised to include 'probable cybernetic' objects and 'exogenous incursions'.

a reply to: karl 12

There's a bunch of 'mockingbirds' involved. From the higher echelons of the nest in which the likes of Mellon and political heavyweights reside, down to the journos, writers and talking heads for TV in the middle and the ground level tweeters that infiltrate social media.

Meanwhile the US military has slowly regained control of modern ufology's narrative.

a reply to: mirageman

Although we may be coming at it from different angles I couldn't agree more mate.

Always suspected Klass was on the payroll (also Menzel and Condon) but now looks like Shostak has jumped on the Galileo bandwagon with CIA Talbot Loeb.

Seth's even betting everyone "We will find ET by 2030" and that it will very likely be 'AI' (using Carnegie/Mellon research).

All the usual goons in the background of course.

a reply to: mirageman

Meanwhile, the US military has slowly regained control of modern ufology's narrative.

That’s new?

Haven’t they always been in charge of that along with the ufotainment practitioners?

I think they're just updating it.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

Ufology seemed to lose a lot of popularity at the end of the 90s as memories of those Phoenix Lights finally blinked out.

The US MIC was shaken hard by the 9/11 atrocities and so priorities were on other matters for a while. Even if the Vegas UFO appear to have been involved in the SERPO hoax. There aren't too many 'classic' cases from the 2000s until Zondo and chums unleashed a totally military controlled narrative around the Nimitz case.

There must have been a need to take back control of the narrative.

a reply to: mirageman

True,911 was their obsession for a while, and the 90s did take the popularity of ufology down.

In your opinion, do you think the ufo incidences have gone down? It seems we haven’t had too many 21st-century big flaps. Would you say that’s the case?

Mainly, we discuss old cases, and the Phoenix Light, if memory serves correctly, was the last major flap.

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
a reply to: mirageman

True,911 was their obsession for a while, and the 90s did take the popularity of ufology down.

In your opinion, do you think the ufo incidences have gone down? It seems we haven’t had too many 21st-century big flaps. Would you say that’s the case?

Mainly, we discuss old cases, and the Phoenix Light, if memory serves correctly, was the last major flap.

I think sightings 'reports' increased in the 21st century. But that's almost certainly due to the MUFON and NUFORC providing easy ways to report via the web. Unfortunately, some of those reports are pranks and the majority of others are lights in the sky.

There was of course O-Hare Airport in 2006. But that seems to be built around someone reporting a UFO over one of the busiest airports in the world. Yet there are no genuine clear photos. Two years later we had Stephenville but that case seemed to peter out as interest eventually waned.

I've said this before, I think the Norway Spiral in 2009 would have been a huge UFO case had it occurred 30 years earlier. The Chelyabinsk Meteorite in 2013 too. But the huge amount of dashcam footage helped solved the latter, whilst the Russians fessed up about the missile test failure causing the spiral over Norway.

Modern tech also allows us to track space hardware, aircraft and astronomical figurations in real time these days. So a lot of cases can be resolved rapidly with enough information. Sometimes we don't have enough information, too.

So the 'classic' cases remain preserved due to their historical popularity. Most of these newer cases showing Batman Balloons, and Bokeh from Bearded UFOtainers are just showmanship and noise.

originally posted by: mirageman

I think sightings 'reports' increased in the 21st century.

Yes I'd say around the world they did - trouble is (they way I see it) everyone just stays in their UK/US bubble.

originally posted by: karl 12

originally posted by: mirageman

I think sightings 'reports' increased in the 21st century.

Yes I'd say around the world they did - trouble is (they way I see it) everyone just stays in their UK/US bubble.

Like we discussed before, perhaps too many people are looking up - especially with the increasing pollution of the skies with myriad drones - rather than DOWN.

Unidentified Submerged Objects remain a vast area for investigation, especially considering that 95% of the global oceans remain unexplored. Which is an astonishing figure. Here's another: over 2000 new species are discovered in oceans each year, and that is restricted to the 5% of the marine area we are aware of.

You have done some magnificent work on USOs, Karl, so well done for trying to bring more attention to that 'unpopular' area of Ufology - or should I say "Usology"?

a reply to: mirageman

You’ve substantiated my premise that ufo events or flaps are lacking in the 21st century, and the Phoenix Lights flap seems to be a watershed event.

I think it’s a valid pattern going on.

And it's counterintuitive since everybody and their momma have a camera phone, and ufo flaps and incidents are down? Does that make sense?

You say, well, the cameras make the events easier to see there, not ufos, yet the sightings are up, but no flaps or events garner the massive public interests of the numerous OLD cases we go over.

Strange


Possibilities:

Many well-known events and flaps of the past were enhanced to jinn up the public interest. That is from the perspective of the IC ufo spook community.

Or

The nature of the phenomenon has changed: No more interaction with the heedless humanity who will bring up all manner of excuses to deny the phenomenon. And no, they'll be no landing on the white house lawn...

...From the perspective of the Phenomenon.

Or

It's nothing but random events with no patterns...

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit

Unidentified Submerged Objects , especially considering that 95% of the global oceans remain unexplored. Which is an astonishing figure. Here's another: over 2000 new species are discovered in oceans each year, and that is restricted to the 5% of the marine area we are aware of.

You have done some magnificent work on USOs, Karl, so well done for trying to bring more attention to that 'unpopular' area of Ufology - or should I say "Usology"?

Appreciate that post mate and fascinating aspect to the UFO mystery, especially when unknown objects pop into (or out of) the water.

Always thought you had it spot on when you suggested we should be looking down as well as up.


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Did you catch Preston's new vid on hydroelectric dams - sone intriguing ones in there.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

I don't know the reasons for certain. But I try to treat each case on its own merits. There was a crazy UFO flap or maybe just a hoax in Mage, Brazil in 2020. But I was never convinced enough to look into that one in any detail.

One other factor that I didn't mention that 'might' be at play is media control too. Back in the pre-internet age there were a lot more international, national and local news organizations, a lot more journalists looking for a story. Many of the local newspapers and even TV and radio stations would report UFO stories and could interview witnesses.

Nowadays a few major media organizations have most of the control. There are far fewer journalists and most of them are not allowed the freedom to investigate anything that may upset the political and corporate control over what people are told.

So the UFO stories that do appear (the online versions of our tabloids love them) are often lacking much more than a quick summary and a quote from someone like Cowbell or Pope. There is no follow up.

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit

Like we discussed before, perhaps too many people are looking up - especially with the increasing pollution of the skies with myriad drones - rather than DOWN.

Some relevant discussion at the beginning of this interview mate - also some (repeat some) interesting nuggets about Antarctica and Elizondo Op 'narrative prepping'.

I keep thinking about the reasons for the suspension of the aatip: religious reasons
Pentagon seniors were scared by the UFO phenomenon and closed the research project
Are the seniors of the Pentagon so fragile?
The secret about UFO would still be tied to Crowley and Parsons ??? After 70 years ...
I keep thinking and I don't understand ...

originally posted by: karl 12

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit

Like we discussed before, perhaps too many people are looking up - especially with the increasing pollution of the skies with myriad drones - rather than DOWN.

Some relevant discussion at the beginning of this interview mate - also some (repeat some) interesting nuggets about Antarctica and Elizondo Op 'narrative prepping'.

Interesting…..having done 3 tours in Antarctica myself ….…I could vouch that I’ve seen dignitaries…infrequently. It appeared to me they were there for looky loo junkets and some fact finding missions of what the National Science Foundation does. Basically how tax dollars are spent. It was a multi-national environment.

Btw…..the good Dr. In the vid appears to have smoked a full pack of cigarettes while podding.

I’m gonna bet he’s a two packer a day…..which is just begging for a short life…


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originally posted by: gippo888
I keep thinking about the reasons for the suspension of the aatip: religious reasons
Pentagon seniors were scared by the UFO phenomenon and closed the research project
Are the seniors of the Pentagon so fragile?
The secret about UFO would still be tied to Crowley and Parsons ??? After 70 years ...
I keep thinking and I don't understand ...

Wasn't AATIP just the nickname made up by Harry Reid when he became afraid that Pentagon staff would uncover that Bigelow and his Vegas UFO Mob had been wasting away $millions playing Scooby Doo down at the ranch? So he called it that in his request to make it a USAP? No one knew what AATIP meant so his request, as stupid as it was, was refused and the AAWSAP contract lapsed because it....

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...produced reams of paperwork. After all of that, there was really nothing there that we could find. It all pretty much dissolved from that reason alone—and the interest level was losing steam.

Politico

The story about religious zealots in the Pentagon cancelling it came from the same people. Pots calling kettles black.

I doubt Crowley and Parsons knew anything either. They were a couple of screwball crazy individuals.