Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

a reply to: mirageman

That’s a good point about media control. But that goes to the IC manipulating the media through its corporate connections and traditional control over Western media it always had.
So, everything goes back to a well-oiled conspiracy of control.

Now, particularly in American media, it's tabloid time ALWAYS. Either political, Trump's obsessive political reporting, or its crime. Mostly the traditional investigative reportage is all about crime...

So yeah, the media is corrupt.

In UFOLofy, the IC media ufo splurge through TTSA may be, among other reasons, just them using the internet age to gain influence and control.

It started with the Serpo hoax, and they upgraded through TTSA.

a reply to: mirageman

I doubt Crowley and Parsons knew anything either. They were a couple of screwball crazy individuals.

The claim about Parsons and Crowley--mainly by occultist-type ufologists--is that Parsons is supposed, through his Babylon working, to have opened up the portal for the ufos to come in. A dubious claim.

Crowley is mentioned because of the paranormal being Lam he is supposed to have been in contact with, which looks just like a grey.


Beyond that, no one thinks they know anything about ufos.


Right on, on the Attip mention. Attip wasn't even real.

originally posted by: mirageman

Wasn't AATIP just the nickname made up by Harry Reid when he became afraid that Pentagon staff would uncover that Bigelow and his Vegas UFO Mob had been wasting away $millions playing Scooby Doo down at the ranch? So he called it that in his request to make it a USAP? No one knew what AATIP meant so his request, as stupid as it was, was refused and the AAWSAP contract lapsed because it....

it's not just a money issue ...
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I doubt Crowley and Parsons knew anything either. They were a couple of screwball crazy individuals.

Personally I preferred to avoid it but I still remember several details that speak of demons

The history of Parsons is very old, dating back to the 40-50s
Nick Redfern wrote a book (Final Events) about the whole story but many details are missing…
Briefly he speaks of portals opened by Crowley but above all by Parsons, the rituals coincide with the UFO sightings of the 40s-50s
There was a study group (Collins Elite), US intelligence people, convinced that the UFO problem was caused by Parsons
I'm not very well versed on this issue...but I remember interesting details like the circlegate, the Victorian vs Schnabel phone call
And now this story returns ... I have to go and re-read everything I've discarded

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
The claim about Parsons and Crowley--mainly by occultist-type ufologists--is that Parsons is supposed, through his Babylon working, to have opened up the portal for the ufos to come in. A dubious claim.
Crowley is mentioned because of the paranormal being Lam he is supposed to have been in contact with, which looks just like a grey.

Beyond that, no one thinks they know anything about ufos.
Right on, on the Attip mention. Attip wasn't even real.

Demonic version of UFOs starts with Crowley ... it's not just occult ufology, read Redfern's book (Final Events)
Now also speak Levenda, Semivan, Elizondo with the suspension of the aatip ...

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a reply to: gippo888

Yep, humanity produces a lot of mentally disturbed people whose grip on reality is rather loose. Some of them even started cults and religions! For some reason this insanity gloms onto ufology.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: gippo888

Yep, humanity produces a lot of mentally disturbed people whose grip on reality is rather loose. Some of them even started cults and religions! For some reason this insanity gloms onto ufology.

I think this hypothesis is not very different from the paraphysics hypothesis of Keel and Vallee
I think ufologists prefer the technological version to get more audiences
The demonic version has always been considered grotesque and ridiculous
Personally I think especially disturbing, honestly I never thought to investigate

However it could only be a misinterpretation because the phenomenon is always proved to be deceptive and this could be yet another deception.
We should know why these people (Pentagon senior) are convinced, what elements do they have?

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Loads of words you posted there mate.

Is that all you got from that video.. the fact that he enjoys tobacco?

originally posted by: karl 12
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Loads of words you posted there mate.

Is that all you got from that video.. the fact that he enjoys tobacco?

Sorry Karl…the constant puffing was distracting…..perhaps I should of just listened without looking……like old time radio.

I can’t really say I absorbed anything that would change my life…..

His reference to the “Elon” written by Von Wernher was old hat news…..I have Von’s book which mentions it…….but he came across to me like it was some new discovery.

Ya know old timers do remember stuff….but as time goes on…..new generations of people will hear or read stuff…that’s just old news but retold in “get you excited” vibe.

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a reply to: gippo888

I read that book.

The Secret Cipher of the Ufonauts or Secret Rituals of the Men In Black
by Allen H Greenfield is more pertinent to this subject of Crowly and ufos.

I'm not necessarily recommending these books, but they did deeper on the occult ufo nexus.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Karl is right. They get into fascinating and relevant subjects.
Though I was surprised how he smoked so much. Looking at his newer appearances, I think he stopped if memory serves.

Anyway, he and the DJ get into some good topics on the conspiracy/ufo level. DJ isn’t that way out. He was one of the guys who exposed two certain UFO cultists we all know of and don't love.

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
He was one of the guys who exposed two certain UFO cultists we all know of and don't love.

Which two did he expose?

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
He was one of the guys who exposed two certain UFO cultists we all know of and don't love.

Which two did he expose?

The blue avian duet

I still say ufology may NOT get more popular interest after the TTSA propaganda op in the long run for two reasons.


The first reason is that they are banking on the data that no absolute proof has ever occurred. ( I realize there is reasonable proof, but that’s not the same as certainty!)

Now that more people are interested, they will see that the proof doesn't rise to a certainty regarding aliens and ufos.

In the long run, that will diminish interest unless there are some changes in the modes operandi of the Ufos.

The other reason is that in the internet phone freak era, the chatter is so loud ufology will be drowned out.

And the political noise will die down from the politicians when no proof lingers.

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
I still say ufology may NOT get more popular interest after the TTSA propaganda op in the long run for two reasons.
The first reason is that they are banking on the data that no absolute proof has ever occurred. ( I realize there is reasonable proof, but that’s not the same as certainty!)
Now that more people are interested, they will see that the proof doesn't rise to a certainty regarding aliens and ufos.
In the long run, that will diminish interest unless there are some changes in the modes operandi of the Ufos.
The other reason is that in the internet phone freak era, the chatter is so loud ufology will be drowned out.
And the political noise will die down from the politicians when no proof lingers.

I agree, but is the Pentagon that don't turning clues into evidence. It is a choice of the Pentagon and the Air Force ...

Now i have some questions for you...
If the ttsa project was a fundraising project why are the Pentagon and the Air Force are slowing it down?
Why are clues about the demonic hypothesis emerging? This hypothesis, surely, is not the best method to obtain funds
Many, too many, are talking about spiritual/occult war, not technological war… what are funds for in a spiritual war? To buy candles?
Therefore, in my opinion, the hypothesis that the government feeds ufology to obtain funds cannot be shared

Then ....
Why did the Air Force and the Pentagon bring out, with several witnesses, the demonic version?
I think the military being scared in the face of demons is a disqualifying image, especially in the current technological age.
With this version you only get a place in a psychiatric hospital
Seems impossible but the UFO issue has become even more complicated ...

a reply to: gippo888

Are you talking about the book by Redfern? Sure some clique back then from the military was talking about demonic aliens. I wasn't aware some of them were doing that now.

You might know more than me on that one.

a reply to: gippo888
a reply to: peaceinoutz

Here’s a document Unmasking the Enemy from two retired USAF officers that speaks to relationships of UFO’s Aliens and the Divine and Demonic

UNMASKING THE ENEMY: Visions and Deception in the End Times Nelson S. Pacheco, Ph.D. Tommy R. Blann

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a reply to: gippo888

I am not clear on what point you are making exactly.

But America, unlike most other developed Nations, still has a large percentage of the population who are hardcore Christians that pray every day and go to Church regularly. Something almost none existent across the pond here.

Religion still holds a grip on how the nation functions and people think in America. It's not exactly Iran. But the influence is strong. The military, particularly the Air Force, has been affected by it for years...

....cadets who refused to attend chapel after dinner were marched by upperclassmen back to their dorms in a ritual called “heathen flight.” They found that teachers introduced themselves as “born again” Christians and invited students to be saved as well. A history instructor ordered students to pray before a final exam, the report said. And a Christmas greeting in the base newspaper said Jesus was the only hope for the world; it was signed by 300 people, including 16 heads or deputy heads of academic departments, nine professors, the dean of faculty and the football coach.

Evangelical Christians Dominate Air Force Academy

So is it any surprise that some of these folk rise through the ranks and still hold onto these primitive views today? Calling UFOs demonic is a way of preserving magical thinking and discouraging scientific study. Something that is in conflict with those who believe religious views should be kept personal and not allowed to cloud professional judgements.

a reply to: mirageman and peaceinoutz
I have trouble making long speeches in English, I hope you can understand

Obviously we don't have official statements but a paraphysical/spiritual/occult explanation emerges from the speculations.
AATIP has been blocked for religious reasons, so there are senior people (parliament, pentagon, air force) who are convinced. Elizondo confirms ...
Levenda, in his latest interview, talks about the demonic version and religious fanaticism in the air force.
Nick Pope confirms for England.
Semivan speaks of a hypothesis similar to Keel but makes clear references to a deceptive presence that appears in the guise of the Madonna.

The only version that emerges is the spiritual/demonic that corresponds to Nick Refern's Collins Elite: a deceptive intelligence interested in the soul part of man.
The Gnostic theses speak of this, also the religions and several researchers of abductions.

Religion still holds a grip on how the nation functions and people think in America. It's not exactly Iran. But the influence is strong. The military, particularly the Air Force, has been affected by it for years...

I remind you that here, in Italy, there is the Vatican
Religion in the Western world (US and Europe) has definitely changed in recent decades, Buddhism and the New Age have also arrived in Italy, even in the most observant families.
Surely the technological evolution has brought a more atheist vision of the world.
For this reason I don't understand why a religious explanation for the UFO phenomenon still emerges, nobody talks about technologically advanced aliens, the Pentagon uses the term "revolutionary technology" ... not "advanced"
Ufologists, the whole world has been talking about technological aliens for many decades
Why in the Pentagon, in the Air Force, in the US Parliament do people think of a religious explanation??

Calling UFOs demonic is a way of preserving magical thinking and discouraging scientific study.

No, it's just a way to get ridiculous ...and those people are not stupid
I think there is something we don't understand, the phenomenon has always proved to be deceptive ...

I'm completely unprepared on this matter, I'm reevaluating everything I've discarded in the past

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
Here’s a document Unmasking the Enemy from two retired USAF officers that speaks to relationships of UFO’s Aliens and the Divine and Demonic

Thanks, it is mentioned in Redfern's book, but couldn't find it

a reply to: gippo888

I have trouble making long speeches in English, I hope you can understand

Yes I understand.

Obviously we don't have official statements but a paraphysical/spiritual/occult explanation emerges from the speculations. AATIP has been blocked for religious reasons, so there are senior people (parliament, pentagon, air force) who are convinced. Elizondo confirms ... Levenda, in his latest interview, talks about the demonic version and religious fanaticism in the air force.....

Why in the Pentagon, in the Air Force, in the US Parliament do people think of a religious explanation??

Yes, the irony is that people like Puthoff promote remote viewing as real, too. When it is merely guesswork.

if you have the time and can translate it there is a long piece called How American Went Haywire by an American, Kurt Andersen

It goes into much detail about the state of America's psyche.

....Only a third of us, for instance, don’t believe that the tale of creation in Genesis is the word of God. Only a third strongly disbelieve in telepathy and ghosts. Two-thirds of Americans believe that “angels and demons are active in the world.” More than half say they’re absolutely certain heaven exists, and just as many are sure of the existence of a personal God—not a vague force or universal spirit or higher power, but some guy.....

I'm not saying religion itself is a problem. It served us all fairly well for centuries and gave us education, welfare for the poor and destitute, and provided a moral compass as civilization grew. But taking biblical stories literally and ignoring our advances in 'science' in this day and age seems to be an issue that America has not been able to adapt to as rapidly as other Western cultures. Nor does it apply to every single American.

originally posted by: mirageman
I'm not saying religion itself is a problem. It served us all fairly well for centuries and gave us education, welfare for the poor and destitute, and provided a moral compass as civilization grew. But taking biblical stories literally and ignoring our advances in 'science' in this day and age seems to be an issue that America has not been able to adapt to as rapidly as other Western cultures. Nor does it apply to every single American.

I agree but we are talking about people with an above average culture: seniors from the Pentagon and the Air Force with important responsibilities, we cannot compare them to the average person
In the testimonies of civilian and military pilots, no one speaks of demons
We've heard the recordings: they're surprised, aghast, even amused... but no one talks about demons.
UFO witnesses don't talk about demons, ufologists don't talk about demons
Why at the top, where information converges, do Pentagon seniors talk about demons?

I think of two possibilities:
- they are a little crazy religious fanatics, in this case the government has some problems to solve
- they have exclusive information and come to these conclusions, maybe they need to have different opinions, as Levenda says