Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

a reply to: mirageman

I don't know what that looks like, but it has no resemblance to any kind of craft, so a balloon is reasonable.

Did you listen to Greenwald? Three hours at first, I said no. But listening to it was pretty interesting, so I watched for a couple of hours, then he got too much in the weeds, and I stopped watching it.

What did you think if you saw it or some of it?

a reply to: peaceinoutz

I don't know what that looks like, but it has no resemblance to any kind of craft, so a balloon is reasonable.

I can't make people watch videos or click links to source material. But the pilot who shot the footage did not consider it a UFO. Ross Coutlhart is supposed to be an investigative journalist. But like George Knapp becomes a complete moron when it comes to doing proper research into UFOS.

Why is that?

Did you listen to Greenwald? Three hours at first, I said no. But listening to it was pretty interesting, so I watched for a couple of hours, then he got too much in the weeds, and I stopped watching it. What did you think if you saw it or some of it?

Same here. I hadn't the time to spend a full three hours. But I watched about an hour. Covering what seemed to suggest that BF Lue is unable to complete DoD paperwork accurately. His IG complaint looks like he wrote with the entire purpose of it being sent but rejected.So he could then leak it and spin it as he' sees fit. Interesting that he also couldn't quite confirm exactly whether he as still on the govt. payroll on that form too.

I doubt his "differed" retirement letter was ever sent, and his DD1910 forms to release the 3 fuzzy videos was also not completed correctly. For someone who was allegedly a Director of a UFO project/hobby/activity. Lue is either an administrative delinquent promoted far beyond his level of competence, or something else is going on here.

The current reluctance of the US political and military establishment to really clarify anything suggests that his five year old grey area is by choice.

a reply to: mirageman

Well, I think this whole thing has run out of gas and will soon be forgotten.

You and this thread, along with Greenwald and a few others, have pointed out so many holes in this hole( pun intended) affair as to show it as folly.

a reply to: mirageman

Here's JGJ's response - seems he's not very impressed with Luis.(and rightly so).

a reply to: karl 12

So Zondo is threatening a lawsuit against Greenwald...ridiculous!

And sent an internet mob at him.

Can't sue all of us

originally posted by: karl 12
a reply to: mirageman

Here's JGJ's response - seems he's not very impressed with Luis.(and rightly so).

Great response from Greenewald.



Apparently it takes some thick skin to run the Black Vault, and it looks like Greenewald can handle it. It really does seem to me like he is looking for the truth, and it follows from that people who attack him appear to not have the same interest, but rather it seems to me they are instead pushing some kind of agenda, which may not be the truth.

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
a reply to: karl 12

So Zondo is threatening a lawsuit against Greenwald...ridiculous!

And sent an internet mob at him.

Can't sue all of us

Believe it. JG was not alone. Others were 'lawyered' too.

Although, as we see once again, sloppy spelling in the email. Not once, but twice. Are all these folk dyslexic and incompetent too.

Who the hell is Elizando???? LOL!!!

A game is afoot.....

a reply to: Arbitrageur

There's no way BF Lue can really to go to court and potentially have to reveal the truth about himself.

I'd love to see it.

Zondo doesn't have the attitude of a bureaucrat (not even looks), he looks like a soldier or a policeman
I don't think he's been spending time behind a desk
Maybe the problem is his lawyers ... he will have paid little for them

The idea of Zondo suing an unknown conspiracy podcast broadcaster for questioning his statements is absurd.
He’d lose the case. The very government said publicly he had nothing to do with ATTIP. Why doesn’t he sue the government rather than putting up this flimsy illiterate DOD complaint?

Of course, unless this is all show and tell to cover up this whole FAKE TTSA, ATTIP/AAWSAP affair.

I wonder if he will sue the Intercept too?

The billionaire who owns the Intercept, the founder of eBay, would laugh at him.

Uh oh, guys, maybe he'll sue ATS, and we'll all be co-defendants.

I'm really scared.

Saw ol'dude on a SteveO podcast, I hadn't really checked in on this crap since the start, lol.

Tom saying the aliens are from here, and aren't aliens but basically interdimensional leeches that feed off your emotions, you know rehashed crap already and claims he has alien tech the govt wants/is researching but he cant talk too much about it......



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....The idea of Zondo suing an unknown conspiracy podcast broadcaster for questioning his statements is absurd.... Why doesn’t he sue the government rather than putting up this flimsy illiterate DOD complaint?

It's entirely possible that the elements of the US government are providing controlled opposition and obfuscation to continue rolling out the drama for their own purposes. The public is dismissed as collateral damage. It really isn't that many people paying close attention.

What the objective could be is anything from flushing out spies, confusing foreign adversaries, to 'Elizando' being played and used for some purpose too. Or maybe something deeply unethical or illegal has been hidden deep within the MIC for decades, and the UFO topic is being used as a means to bring it all to light? As illustrated in the OP, sometimes the objective is far removed from the method used to conceal it.

a reply to: mirageman

Very astute analysis, I agree.

It's no longer a huge topic, as you say. Just goes to show us that even though TTSA did give a dope fix to Ufology (which has worn off), the reality is it's still a once-in-a-while UFO movie or two to the public. Not a big deal.

Simply because, as of now, all the evidence points to that they don’t know what it is and can’t know what it is.

And one more thing. If they ever really going to do a DISCLOSURE, a Zondo/Delonge duo( and those other ufo grifters) would NOT be the ones they would choose to do it.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Yes well said and always respected JGJ - thought the development also spoke volumes about the integrity of Lue (and his 'tactics').

Know you have an interest in the case so in other news it looks like Netflix just reneged on Nickerson's 'Ariel' movie because he wouldn't add certain individuals to the film who had absolutely nothing to do with the story (wouldn't be Lue would it?).

Apparently they're now blatantly stealing his idea and making their own version (hopefully not including Lue).


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Cheers.

a reply to: karl 12

Hollywood has no interest in accuracy. Just drama and making money.
In the movie Fire in the Sky, the Walton story was changed after they promised to keep to his story.

originally posted by: Lysergic
Tom saying the aliens are from here, and aren't aliens but basically interdimensional leeches that feed off your emotions, you know rehashed crap already and claims he has alien tech the govt wants/is researching but he cant talk too much about it......

These hypotheses are very common in ufology, it is difficult to say if Delonge's words are more authoritative

Interesting interview at minute 41.15 when Delonge talks about the conference in Italy of 2018
The conferences were 2: one public with the CUN and one reserved with exponents of the Italian Air Force, of the Vatican, United Nations, ...
I had few details on the contents of that meeting ...
From the words of Delonge now I have confirmations that it has been discussed on the case of Canneto di Caronia and the damaged helicopters
The interesting when he speaks of hundreds of cases in the Mederranean on a map that intelligence showed him ...

a reply to: gippo888

Interesting interview at minute 41.15 when Delonge talks about the conference in Italy of 2018 The conferences were 2: one public with the CUN and one reserved with exponents of the Italian Air Force, of the Vatican, United Nations, ... I had few details on the contents of that meeting ...

You mean this one? where BF Lue tells the audience "...regarding the 1952 Washington DC UFO event, "unlike Roswell...many people were able to take photographs....And what you see here are real photographs linked to the story".

Which is complete bollocks as there were few witnesses and no photographs or film exist of the actual events as they happened.

Here's the whole video but I wouldn'tt advise anyone to watch it. BF Lue countered his own intelligence. Don't let him counter yours.



He talks about Roswell "....later, in the 1940s, we had the Roswell incident. I’m not going to speculate in this room what crashed at Roswell. But those of you who are familiar with the world of intelligence, know that a military response is usually symmetrical to the incident. A crashed weather balloon does not usually merit the response of a colonel, several flat beds, military vehicles and an armed force."

There is no evidence that a colonel, flat bed trucks and an armed force was involved in recovery of the materials found at Roswell.

Zondo went on to show slides promoting the supposed STS-48 and STS-80 Space Shuttle UFOs. Jim Oberg has explained both events.

...From the words of Delonge now I have confirmations that it has been discussed on the case of Canneto di Caronia and the damaged helicopters...

Yes and that story is a false one too. The Canneto di Caronia fires were caused by Antonino Pezzi and his son Giuseppe in a bizarre attempts to make it seem there was a strange phenomenon occurring in the area.

One of the Italian officials claimed some bizarre things. Like firing a missile at these UFOs would result in the missile coming back. And that it was possible to fire on the unknown craft with depleted uranium (DU) shells. As far as I know the Italians did not use DU shells at the time of the incident.

originally posted by: mirageman

NO ...
The conference you posted was public, online on youtube and I followed it live.
After there was a second "confidential" conference, with representatives of the Italian air force, the Vatican, Unite Nations and others
Delonge is talking about topics from this second meeting

The day after (29 October 2018) Delonge thanked with the following post on facebook
Thank you to the Italian Government for the security you provided to me and my team all week, and thank you for having your AIR FORCE Generals, UNITED NATIONS Officials, INTELLIGENCE Operatives and VATICAN representatives attend the @tothestarsacademy briefing on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena and the ADVANCED AERIAL THREAT IDENTIFICATION THREAT PROGRAM here in Rome, Italy. It was my pleasure to represent the United States and start the international conversation here, in such a wonderful country.

In this conference there were only members of the CUN and some journalists
CUN conference 28 october 2018

originally posted by: mirageman
Yes and that story is a false one too. The Canneto di Caronia fires were caused by Antonino Pezzi and his son Giuseppe in a bizarre attempts to make it seem there was a strange phenomenon occurring in the area.

I think you should go deeper ..

Those were the halcyon days of TTSA when they were courted by the mainstream of the UFO movement and even a bit of MSM interest.

Now they’re a moribund organization with only a bit of ufo buff interest anymore and almost no MSM interest.

Alas, shattered dreamscape or scam come to an end?

Probably a bit of both