Trump orders that illegal aliens NOT BE COUNTED in allocating House seats under 2020 census

a reply to: tanstaafl

How is it bs? I offered what I found in the way of information concerning this issue and all you can come up with is complete dismissal based on what exactly. Where is your countering information to balance this out, Other than your own pompus statement. Back it up.

Again, I offered a reference for consideration. What do you have to offer other than your own personal opinion.

They should be identified and deported.

a reply to: Xtrozero
Certainly there is information I have missed, for that matter information all of us have missed. That may be due to the sources we find and I offered one. Maybe you can offer another that disputes the information i acquired.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire

Certainly there is information I have missed, for that matter information all of us have missed. That may be due to the sources we find and I offered one. Maybe you can offer another that disputes the information i acquired.

My point isn't towards you... The Democrats want to remove citizenship questions from the census for nothing more than political motives. One such motive is to count those extra bodies towards House representation. 10 to 20 million in mostly democratic cities is not a small number.

They would love to get them to vote too....Offer free whatever as they do and get their vote while never actually delivering on that free stuff... Both Clinton/Obama offered free stuff and in those combined 16 years never delivered anything.

One of my favorite replies to "Why are you voting for Obama" was... "Obama is going to buy me a house!" lol love it.

The bottom line is the census is just a data collection and understanding how many illegals, in what area they live, for how long etc is some truly needed data points as we start to talk about a large group of people who live under the wire.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Yeah, I understand this contention, that the Dems want to gain House seats based on population composites of citizens and non citizens.

Frankly, I have no problem with the census asking me if I am a citizen. It makes as much if not more sense than asking me my ethnic heritage or my sex.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Bluntone22

What possible reason would somebody want to count non citizens? Hmm

The Constitution, Article I, Section 2, which requires the "counting the whole number of persons in each State" every 10 years.

Does the Constitution forbid asking respondents if they’re here legally? By all means, count the number of persons regardless of legal status. I’m all for that. But don’t you think it might be useful to know how many folks are here illegally?

For example, it could tell us if we need to improve border security or how we deal with visa overstays. It could show possible correlations between all kinds of phenomena and the number of illegal aliens in different areas. Planners and lawmakers need to know these kinds of things to make informed decisions.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire

Frankly, I have no problem with the census asking me if I am a citizen. It makes as much if not more sense than asking me my ethnic heritage or my sex.

I agree

It use to go into great detail go look at the 2000 long form as example...

2000 long form

This will put a Chink in the Armor of the "Let them Eat Cake" Representatives .... And we know who they are

originally posted by: Scapegrace

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Bluntone22

What possible reason would somebody want to count non citizens? Hmm

The Constitution, Article I, Section 2, which requires the "counting the whole number of persons in each State" every 10 years.

Does the Constitution forbid asking respondents if they’re here legally? By all means, count the number of persons regardless of legal status. I’m all for that. But don’t you think it might be useful to know how many folks are here illegally?

For example, it could tell us if we need to improve border security or how we deal with visa overstays. It could show possible correlations between all kinds of phenomena and the number of illegal aliens in different areas. Planners and lawmakers need to know these kinds of things to make informed decisions.

The census is required by law. It's purpose is to provide tax payers legislative representation, not to flush out criminals. If the government was to use the census to force people to expose themselves as criminals it would be a violation of the 5th Amendment.

I STRONGLY support this decision.

Allowing them to count would be allowing foreign citizens breaking our laws to occupy this country illegally to interfere in our electoral processes.

It is exactly what the dems have been crying about for the last 4 years over their made-up Russia hoax and is especially hypocritical for them to oppose this in any way. The only reason they oppose this is because they know the days of their overrepresentation are over. It is also hypocritical for them to oppose common sense voting reform like voter ID.

Trump didn't ask the question on the census, so the "whole number of persons" was still enumerated. All he's doing is ensuring they aren't allowed to interfere in our electoral/political processes by giving undue representation from their presense.

The constitution specifically states to count residents, not citizens. So that’s the problem. Trump is factually wrong here, even if it makes sense, you know?

a reply to: darkbake

For the census, yes, and they were counted.
But this isn't about that. It's about determining each states representation (EC power) which were ensuring only citizens count for that purpose

Illegal aliens were in fact counted for the census so what are you talking about?

Although I disagree with counting them for the census, considering they'll be going back home soon enough......this order didn't and doesn't have anything to do with the census. Trump isn't wrong here, he allowed the illegal aliens to be counted for the census. He's just making sure it's not used for apportionment of congressional representation. Otherwise we'd be allowing foreign nationals to influence our elections, which is what screechy Dems have been screeching about for 3 years.

a reply to: Anon283799

Just vote for your own country, you wanna vote for america you become american, simple.

In my country it is mandatory to vote, you don't you get fined. They stopped fining me as a don't believe in the two party preferred system. The way i see it if you swear allegiance to the flag and the nation, then you can vote, or should have the right to choose not to vote.

If I counted the amount of money i would've spent on fines for not voting, some left/right politician could've put a deposit on a house.

Come to australia, come for the taxes, stay for the taxes, hell i'm probably being taxed for this very sentence. But I digress a citizen votes, not a tourist.

This is something that would be hard to implement. I dont know if this cost or increased political capital for him. People that are here illiegaly we need a solid plan to address this and we need to not reward any new "arrivals" that enter illegally.

Deport early and deport often.

a reply to: Anon283799



" Trump orders that illegal aliens NOT BE COUNTED in allocating House seats under 2020 census "



Ah , Yeah ,So > ?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: Scapegrace

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Bluntone22

What possible reason would somebody want to count non citizens? Hmm

The Constitution, Article I, Section 2, which requires the "counting the whole number of persons in each State" every 10 years.

Does the Constitution forbid asking respondents if they’re here legally? By all means, count the number of persons regardless of legal status. I’m all for that. But don’t you think it might be useful to know how many folks are here illegally?

For example, it could tell us if we need to improve border security or how we deal with visa overstays. It could show possible correlations between all kinds of phenomena and the number of illegal aliens in different areas. Planners and lawmakers need to know these kinds of things to make informed decisions.

The census is required by law. It's purpose is to provide tax payers legislative representation, not to flush out criminals. If the government was to use the census to force people to expose themselves as criminals it would be a violation of the 5th Amendment.

I honestly don’t get why this is so hard to understand — for some.

a reply to: Annee

Really Annee ? Do I have to Mansplain it to you ? They are NOT Citizens of the United States of America . Ergo they are Not Eligible to Vote in this Country By LAW .................)

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Ergo they are Not Eligible to Vote in this Country By LAW .................)

This isn't about non US citizens voting. It's about tax payer representation.

a reply to: Mandroid7

Hey fruitcake there is so much garbage spewed in your post I don't even know where to start. you should just lock yourself up in your basement to save yourself from the Mexican zombie apocalypse. you sound like you've had your affections turned down by a beautiful Latina women or perhaps man. Good day. I said good day!!! *Fez voice*

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Ergo they are Not Eligible to Vote in this Country By LAW .................)

This isn't about non US citizens voting. It's about tax payer representation.

OK, yes — but it’s also about a total population count.

They want to count EVERY person. A statistical people count. Legal or not.

That was one of the arguments for not asking for citizenship.