Trump orders that illegal aliens NOT BE COUNTED in allocating House seats under 2020 census

We need the kind of intestinal fortitude that Trump provides in the Whitehouse if we are going to continue as a free republic. This November is a must win for people who love this country and support logic and sanity. This EO is another example of our POTUS protecting the citizens.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Anon283799

Since there is no citizenship question on the census form, how are they supposed to determine who in which households are "illegal"?

And that is precisely why it should have been included. You and and the the other lefties, understood this when the lefties cried about it not being on there, precisely because they wanted illegals to count toward representation and $$$.

a reply to: timequake

The point of a Census is population statistics.

To count EVERYONE.

Not to eliminate by fear of answering a question

The Census is NOT about citizenship.

This is only an issue because the DNC has destroyed its own voter base. 20 years ago this wouldnt have been a question. Today...they need those votes.

No worry....they will encourage abortions in that voter base until its gone too.

a reply to: timequake

You and and the the other lefties...

LOL

Supreme Court rules against Trump on census citizenship question thehill.com...

...because they wanted illegals to count toward representation and $$$.

How does asking if household members are US citizens or not reveal "illegals"? In order for the government to determine whether or not a member of a household that reported that they are not US citizens would require a follow up visit from the Feds.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

This isnt so much about votes as it is about house seats.
For some reason I get the impression that some think this will do more harm to dems than republicans but, I kind of think good ole red texas would be one of the bigger losers of seats in the house of representatives.

a reply to: dawnstar

Maybe....we but most illegals are holed up in blue cities like houston and san antonio. So it would prevent more blue seats from forming.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: timequake

You and and the the other lefties...

LOL

Supreme Court rules against Trump on census citizenship question thehill.com...

...because they wanted illegals to count toward representation and $$$.

How does asking if household members are US citizens or not reveal "illegals"? In order for the government to determine whether or not a member of a household that reported that they are not US citizens would require a follow up visit from the Feds.

It should have been noted, who among those counted, are American Citizens--neither legal or illegal non citizens should count towards allocation of federal funds or congressional seats.

originally posted by: timequake

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: timequake

You and and the the other lefties...

LOL

Supreme Court rules against Trump on census citizenship question thehill.com...

...because they wanted illegals to count toward representation and $$$.

How does asking if household members are US citizens or not reveal "illegals"? In order for the government to determine whether or not a member of a household that reported that they are not US citizens would require a follow up visit from the Feds.

It should have been noted, who among those counted, are American Citizens--neither legal or illegal non citizens should count towards allocation of federal funds or congressional seats.

The Founding Fathers disagree with your construct. It wasn't easy to become a US Citizen in those days. You had to be male, in good standing, without accusation or unsettled/indentured debt, and you had to be White. Slaves were counted, but not as a whole person...as 3/5th, certainly not a citizens.

Perhaps we should revert to The Federalist point of view and count undocumented immigrants as 3/5ths of a person. Most of them are being used like slave labor anyways.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

an illegal alien is not "without accusation".

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: timequake

The point of a Census is population statistics.

To count EVERYONE.

Not to eliminate by fear of answering a question

The Census is NOT about citizenship.

Then stop using the Census to determine the proportionality of Congressional representation. I mean, seriously, why and how can anyone argue that the distribution of those who are literally in a job defined as "REPRESENTATIVE OF CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES" shouldn't be based solely on the citizenship of the people in their district?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Perhaps we should revert to The Federalist point of view and count undocumented immigrants as 3/5ths of a person.

OK, that would represent an improvement over the current Census model of counting them equal to a legal citizen, when they clearly are not.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Sookiechacha

an illegal alien is not "without accusation".

LOL

In those Federalist olden days, European countries sent over their convicted criminals to work off their sentences as indentured servants to the various colonies and their militias. If they were male, and White, with honorable references, they could eventually earn US citizenship.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Perhaps we should revert to The Federalist point of view and count undocumented immigrants as 3/5ths of a person.

OK, that would represent an improvement over the current Census model of counting them equal to a legal citizen, when they clearly are not.

Maybe incarcerated convicts as well...(3/5th) Under the 13th Amendment they are modern slaves.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DanDanDat

Commerce already had accurate data on citizenship through other means.

Yep. The US knows how many citizens it has. It also should know how many visitors/non-citizens it has. What it wants to know is how many non documented visitors/non citizens it has and where they live.

And they know that too

You won't see a citizenship question on the 2020 census. After a more than yearlong legal fight, three federal judges are making sure of that by permanently blocking the Trump administration from using next year's head count to ask about the U.S. citizenship status of every person living in every household in the country.

But the Census Bureau, which conducts more than 100 surveys for the federal government, is continuing to ask about citizenship on other forms, which have sparked plenty of confusion around the country.

NPR

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Anon283799
Since there is no citizenship question on the census form, how are they supposed to determine who in which households are "illegal"?

I recall him doing something that he said would be even more effective at weeding them out than a census question would be, after the ridiculous supreme court ruling that disallowed the question. Can't recall what it was, but I assume that is what they will be using.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Its not olden days.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
But if the 2020 census form does ultimately ask about citizenship status, it will be the first time the U.S. census has directly asked for the citizenship status of every person living in every household.

Well, since that is pure BS, the rest of the article is too.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Perhaps we should revert to The Federalist point of view and count undocumented immigrants as 3/5ths of a person.

OK, that would represent an improvement over the current Census model of counting them equal to a legal citizen, when they clearly are not.

Maybe incarcerated convicts as well...(3/5th) Under the 13th Amendment they are modern slaves.

Nah, I'm good with leaving them uncounted as they should be. "Modern slaves" though? Expand the death penalty, problem (and an awful lot of this country's violent crime) solved.

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: MiddleInsite

Trump wanted illegals counted in the Census — as illegals.

He was denied.

Not because there was anything wrong with the question being on there, as it has numerous times in the past (contrary to Sokkie's cha-cha fake claims it hasn't).