Trump orders that illegal aliens NOT BE COUNTED in allocating House seats under 2020 census

This Country, America, was founded by immigrants. Representation was based on person(s). The census doesn't ask because we are counting people/heads. The founding fathers wanted to make sure that everyone was counted. Which is one of the reasons why blacks were worth, I believe, 3/5th a man.

For those of you who claim to love the Constitution so much, this is in the Constitution. If you want to change the rules, change the laws.

I'm all for updating this part of the Constitution, and we have a process. That is also in the Constitution.

And finally, I don't think, constitutionally, Trump has any power to alter how the house seats are awarded by population. I believe it's out of his hands, and if he fights it in Court, he'll lose, again. And Gorsuch will be one of them voting against him, as well as Roberts, and probably Kavanaugh. As well as the usual liberal leaning Justices.

Quit pissing on the Constitution Trump. Please.

a reply to: Bluntone22

What possible reason would somebody want to count non citizens? Hmm

The Constitution, Article I, Section 2, which requires the "counting the whole number of persons in each State" every 10 years.

Non-citizens should not have any sayso and if they are allowed to be counted, that gives the people in that district more power than the rest of us if they gain political power. It is about giving more power to the actual citizens in the district, unequal representation of citizens. That is not right, citizens are the only ones that should have that right.

Now, legal resident aliens, they should be able to be counted but they are doing things right and are not breaking the law being in the country. Even if the person is here as a student, they should not be counted, only people who are citizens and possibly legal resident aliens if they are trying to get their citizenship. But the resident aliens should not yet be able to vote in the election, that should be a right they gain when they actually become citizens.

originally posted by: Gothmog
That should be a given.
There is a reason for the term "illegal" in front of the "alien"

Wait!! Does this mean we can't count every potted plant as a Democrat too?

a reply to: Bluntone22

I was moved by your question to look this up. I did and found this information interesting. Sorry buy the first link I read was from npr.
So while the article suggests that citizenship has often been hinted at over all these years at times using the word ''naturalized'' the conclusion was

But if the 2020 census form does ultimately ask about citizenship status, it will be the first time the U.S. census has directly asked for the citizenship status of every person living in every household.

www.npr.org...

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

The Constitution, Article I, Section 2, which requires the "counting the whole number of persons in each State" every 10 years.

Well Trump's order's are not to limit the census count, but to not use illegals as part of the restructuring of the House count, and that makes sense to me since they can not vote anyways.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Well Trump's order's are not to limit the census count..

I didn't say it was. My question was, "since there is no citizenship question on the 2020 census, how are "they" going to determine who in which households are illegal aliens?"

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Bluntone22

What possible reason would somebody want to count non citizens? Hmm

The Constitution, Article I, Section 2, which requires the "counting the whole number of persons in each State" every 10 years.

You really should read that section again.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Bluntone22

I was moved by your question to look this up. I did and found this information interesting. Sorry buy the first link I read was from npr.
So while the article suggests that citizenship has often been hinted at over all these years at times using the word ''naturalized'' the conclusion was

But if the 2020 census form does ultimately ask about citizenship status, it will be the first time the U.S. census has directly asked for the citizenship status of every person living in every household.

www.npr.org...

2000 census had this for each person in the household...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Gothmog
That should be a given.
There is a reason for the term "illegal" in front of the "alien"

Wait!! Does this mean we can't count every potted plant as a Democrat too?

Yes.
Only living citizens (people) have the right to vote.
No matter what those ridiculous Democrats say.
Example :
"Those Republicans. They believe everything illegal is against the law"
Debbie Wasserman-Schultz , one time Democratic Party Chair.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Anon283799

Since there is no citizenship question on the census form, how are they supposed to determine who in which households are "illegal"?

One of the primary arguments against adding the citizen question on the 2020 census was that it was not required and redundant; that the Department of Commerce already had accurate data on citizenship through other means.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

I didn't say it was. My question was, "since there is no citizenship question on the 2020 census, how are "they" going to determine who in which households are illegal aliens?"

They should have that question as they did in the past. Data is data...

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Xtrozero

Well Trump's order's are not to limit the census count..

I didn't say it was. My question was, "since there is no citizenship question on the 2020 census, how are "they" going to determine who in which households are illegal aliens?"

Good question.
But , if they answered the 2020 Census truthfully , I would have ICE knocking on the door the next day.
Oops , meant 2000
I forgot those ridiculous Democrats have no idea the meaning of the word "illegal"

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Bluntone22

What possible reason would somebody want to count non citizens? Hmm

The Constitution, Article I, Section 2, which requires the "counting the whole number of persons in each State" every 10 years.


There are also section one of that same amendment that mentions citizens and naturalized citizens.
Considering the whole reason for the census is to count actual citizens for representation it hardly makes sense to count non citizens.

a reply to: Gothmog

I wouldn't be shocked if DWS actually said that. She's not a very bright one. I'm pretty sure the definition of illegal is against the law.

a reply to: Gothmog

SECTION 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed.

law.justia.com...

a reply to: Xtrozero

2000 census had this for each person in the household...

No, it did not.

2020census.gov...

a reply to: Xtrozero

They should have that question as they did in the past. Data is data...

There has never been a citizenship question on the US Census form.

a reply to: DanDanDat

Commerce already had accurate data on citizenship through other means.

Yep. The US knows how many citizens it has. It also should know how many visitors/non-citizens it has. What it wants to know is how many non documented visitors/non citizens it has and where they live.

a reply to: MiddleInsite

Trump wanted illegals counted in the Census — as illegals.

He was denied.

The Census is about population statistics — not fear of being reported to immigration.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Well, if their names sound a little spanishish...
They must be illegal, right.