Boris has me confused

a reply to: Grenade

Sorry to burst your bubble mate....its not all about you.

Its not about you catching COVID-19 - well, it is a bit - its about you not passing it on to someone else!

a reply to: Freeborn

The propagation of this virus throughout the population is inevitable. If you want to trade liberty for security then so be it, I on the other hand disagree even if that dissent is deemed distasteful to your morality. May as well speak my mind before the thought police crack down with the help of bootlickers and shills.

This virus has been propagandised and sensationalised, it’s mortality over emphasised and used for political means.

When the cold hard science settles in the dust people will wake up to the ruse.

Until the I hope you remain safe and well.

andy06shake:

We have opposable appendages and somewhat of a large brain capacity compared to other mammals, but that's about it.

Yet, many still act like sheep. You also state that if we open the country up too soon more will get infected, and that it is a given. I disagree, and do so because your opinion is not fact, but speculation. I am of the opinion that we should never have locked down, millions have lost their livelihoods due to it, and that is far more damaging to the nation than a virus.

People die of all manner of things around the world everyday, but life must go on, but there is no point in doing so if you shutdown society at every threat. Tyranny (and you are presently living under tyranny, be under no illusion) is not a good security blanket for a nation, it only covers the feet of the selfish few who wield it. Clearly, you are not connecting the dots to intuit the bigger picture, or the more insidious machinations being carried out against you.

a reply to: Grenade

The propagation of this virus throughout the population is inevitable.

I hope not, we'll see.

If you want to trade liberty for security then so be it,.....

Hyperbole much?

And I've never said that, no-one has.

I on the other hand disagree even if that dissent is deemed distasteful to your morality.

Certainly not 'distasteful', whatever gave you that impression?
I might have disagreed with your opinion but I hardly found either you or your opinion 'distasteful'......a snowflake I most definitely am not, the whole notion is absolutely #ing ridiculous, as ridiculous as anything could possibly be.

May as well speak my mind before the thought police crack down with the help of bootlickers and shills.

I expect you to speak your mind, why on earth wouldn't you, either on here or in 'real life'?

I disagree with you, that's it.....its no big deal.

I sincerely hope you're not trying to imply that I'm either a 'bootlicker' or a 'shill'?
I assure you Sir, I'm neither....au contraire.

This virus has been propagandised and sensationalised, it’s mortality over emphasised and used for political means.

I'm not too sure about the first part of this sentence.
I think when all comes to all there may be a possibility that this was exaggerated, but personally I'd rather err on the side of caution.
I get it that you disagree, and that's fine.

As for being 'used for political means', please tell me what isn't by the nefarious, egotistical, self-centred, self-promoting, career minded people that infest and control Westminster and our political and social system?
And I mean that right across the political divide and all of our major institutions.

But that's not what we are discussing here.

When the cold hard science settles in the dust people will wake up to the ruse.

Whilst I will always be the council estate boy my brother has a PhD in some science related subject - well outside my area of knowledge and understanding - as has his wife and his two children both have science related degrees.
They have repeatedly told me that this virus had/has the potential to spread at such a rate that all emergency services could be swamped and overran in a matter of days.
That was one of the primary reasons for the lockdown.

I don't expect you to but I both respect and value their judgement and opinion.

I know you've conveniently ignored the parts of my posts where I've said its imperative that we monitor the government social restrictions currently in place and that we must make sure that they don't stay in place a minute longer than absolutely necessary, but it is worth mentioning again.
Yes, a lot of the government guidelines don't make sense and there is a shocking lack of consistency and direction.

But to advocate the complete abandonment of restrictions is both negligent and outright dangerous.

Until the I hope you remain safe and well

And the same to you and yours.

Because people disagree it does not automatically mean that discourtesy, disrespect and dislike have to follow.

Now confusion is spreading.

Boris relaxea few rules so Aldi decide you can only shop one at a time.
I'm sitting in the car park while my 84 year old Dad has to get his shopping alone.

Screw you Aldi. I hope you go bankrupt you bunch of A-holes. You aren't helping anyone.

Boycott Aldi! !!

originally posted by: Tulpa
Now confusion is spreading.

Boris relaxea few rules so Aldi decide you can only shop one at a time.
I'm sitting in the car park while my 84 year old Dad has to get his shopping alone.

Screw you Aldi. I hope you go bankrupt you bunch of A-holes. You aren't helping anyone.

Boycott Aldi! !!

From Aldi website

In order to help with social distancing, we are encouraging all customers to try and reduce the number of family members they bring with them into our stores. Where necessary we are using discretion, but like all supermarkets we’re asking people to come alone if possible to support social distancing in our stores.

Pretty sure they would be Ok with someone accompanying an elderly person. Most shops have similar policies. If this has been a local decision would suggest speaking to manage.

Alternatively is there any reason why you can't shop for your Dad since he is a very high risk age?

a reply to: ScepticScot

He like to choose his own things and why not?

I've been on the website and filled in the complaint form so I'm waiting for a response.

Why suddenly tighten the rules while everyone else is relaxing theirs. Seems like a dumb idea.

Also their "security" child was far too immature and hostile for the responsibility of dealing with the public. A "jobsworth " with a little bit of power. Typical, you know the sort.

Will be trying to get on local radio in a bit.

originally posted by: Tulpa
a reply to: ScepticScot

He like to choose his own things and why not?

I've been on the website and filled in the complaint form so I'm waiting for a response.

Why suddenly tighten the rules while everyone else is relaxing theirs. Seems like a dumb idea.

Also their "security" child was far too immature and hostile for the responsibility of dealing with the public. A "jobsworth " with a little bit of power. Typical, you know the sort.

Will be trying to get on local radio in a bit.

Sounds like more of a problem with an individual
employee rather then the whole chain.

A lot of stores have had to hire security to manage customers on and out. Some have been excellent and some considerable less so.

I suspect a lot are normally security at bars/clubs and maybe more suited to chucking out time at a Weatherspoons.

a reply to: ScepticScot

True.

Still. Didn't get the opportunity to talk to anyone with little thug boy at the door and my dad is not the type to complain.

Will be following up on the response to my complaint. Also, it may be an individual at fault but he was enforcing store policy, which suddenly changed the opposite direction to the guidance.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Alternatively is there any reason why you can't shop for your Dad since he is a very high risk age?

He is in the risk group that this 'lockdown ' is all about!!

I am in that group but am very fit and well normally drive myself to supermarket

(not public transport so no mixing in public) however my daughter insists on

doing my shopping and will not hear of me doing my shopping simply because

the very high risk group is anyone over 70 yrs. with or without under lying

causes.

She already looks after and shops for someone with dementia (no not me )

so she does three shops in one basket ..... hers, mine, and the woman she cares

for.

Neither of us can understand why even in normal times the necessary weekly/daily

supermarket shop becomes a social *family outing* ....../SMH

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Alternatively is there any reason why you can't shop for your Dad since he is a very high risk age?

He is in the risk group that this 'lockdown ' is all about!!

I am in that group but am very fit and well normally drive myself to supermarket

(not public transport so no mixing in public) however my daughter insists on

doing my shopping and will not hear of me doing my shopping simply because

the very high risk group is anyone over 70 yrs. with or without under lying

causes.

She already looks after and shops for someone with dementia (no not me

)

so she does three shops in one basket ..... hers, mine, and the woman she cares

for.

Neither of us can understand why even in normal times the necessary weekly/daily

supermarket shop becomes a social *family outing* ....../SMH

My parents don't drive anymore so been taking then to shops for a few years, only now I go myself for them so not a major hardship.

If someone in high risk group really wants to go for themselves fair enough (as long as they take normal precautions) but if someone can shop for them then that seems sensible.

Glad your daughter is helping you (and others) stay safe.

a reply to: eletheia

Not my point.
He does what he wants and is fully aware of the situation.
My point was about being able to shop together all this time then as soon as guidlines are loosened , Aldi decide to go in the opposite direction!

Is he more at risk of infection if I'm helping him keep some independence? Does the virus only work on groups of two or more?

a reply to: Tulpa
Why did you and your Father not get a basket each and stand 2 meters apart in the queue outside the shop.?

You are then 2 separate shoppers.

originally posted by: Tulpa
a reply to: eletheia

Not my point.
He does what he wants and is fully aware of the situation.

I learnt at my mothers knee ......

*You can't always get what you want!*

My point was about being able to shop together all this time then as soon as guidlines are loosened , Aldi decide to go in the opposite direction!

Aldi is free to implement what they want!! And You (the customer) are free

to take your business elsewhere ........their loss?

Is he more at risk of infection if I'm helping him keep some independence? Does the virus only work on groups of two or more?

Its only a temporary measure ......

Are you happy to see his independence responsible for his ending up on an

incubator.......or even dead

a reply to: Itisnowagain

We already got a trolley and got stopped as we entered the door. Will try that next time maybe.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: RAY1990

The economy isn’t based on money and there isn’t an endless pot of it you can just keep throwing at people.

What use is money when you have no goods and services.

Their is an endless pot of money, we have a sovereign currency in the UK. The money might not directly relate to economic activity, infrastructure and land...

But that hasn't been true for a very VERY long time.

What use is money when you have no goods and services.

There's no goods or services?

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: andy06shake

I’m against all forms of enforced lockdown. I’m not a little socialist bootlicker, probably why.

Seems all you have is hate.

I'm catching up on this thread and all you've done is attempt to be a meanie and call everyone sheep. I am yet to see a solution typed up from your account.

That indicates to me that you have nothing, you're uninterested in helping others and are most likely selfish.

a reply to: Grenade

Statistics don't lie though do they?

Seems the UK lost less than 1% of it's population during WWII so Andy's assumption that you'd go walkabouts during the blitz isn't such a stupid comparison.

Dead is dead after all.

a reply to: RAY1990

Isolate the vulnerable and at risk, provide them with support. Rest of us get on with our lives and if you choose to isolate then so be it.

Just like Sweden who have a comparable mortality rate to ourselves.

What’s the point of isolating then all popping into the supermarket which I can assure you is a hive of infection. Certainly more so than parks or beaches.

I’m sure responsible adults can self isolate and social distance without being forced to lock themselves at home.

Also more poverty and death will result worldwide from the lockdown measures and economic impact than the virus.

Already India is facing a massive starvation problem. Places with humanitarian crisis before the pandemic such as Yemen and many others will see massive increase in death.

The world food programme expects an additional 30 million deaths as a result of the economic impact caused by lockdown within months.

Contrary to what you might think I’m considering the wider impact not just the health of my immediate family in the short term.

The same type of people who listened to the experts and government about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and their ability to strike the UK within 45 minutes, the resultant fear led us into a war which killed millions of Iraqi civilians and turned that country into a ruin.

When millions more die as a result of the economic impact then ever do from corona maybe then you will step off that high horse and wake up.

It’s hardly selfish to consider those less fortunate than myself.

On the other hand it’s the very definition of selfish to expect other people to live by your rules in order to protect yourself.

Put that in your pipe.

a reply to: elysiumfire

I'm not wanting lockdowns, told what i can and cannot do, but if thats the cost of saving Men, Woman, and children's lives across the board, im willing to endure the lockdown until its safe.

If that makes me a sheep, i can say Baa for a wee while.

The truth of the matter is the rest of the UK will sit back and watch what happens to London, and to a lesser extent the rest of England before we decide what to do next.

And good luck to them i hope im wrong and more people don't become infected.